Do you think the war will effect us in Ireland

the Guru

Do you think the war will effect us in Ireland

and if so why.

ozpass

It should affect the conscience of anyone who doesn't speak up against it.

MiCr0

do you think its effected ireland already???

Saruman

The only way the war is effecting us is we have something interesting to watch on TV (albeit a lot of repeats...) And people who like to protest have something to protest about.

It also has the knock on effect of starting a whole crap load of threads like this.

It will not effect us directly though, we are not involved. As for our neutrality effected because of shannon? utter crap!! We have been allowing the US etc (allied) forces to use us since the state was created and our neutrality set up. We in no direct sense take a side. For instance if Sadam wanted to use one of our airports then constitutionally we would have to agree as then we would be taking sides.

I doubt he cares that some tiny little island off the west of Europe is letting the "Infidels" use an airport. He probably thinks we are being bullied into it by the US and we probably are so who cares?? I dont. I think Bush is a muppet and should be deposed asap but he has a point, sadam should go and his people cant do it. I just think there are more important threats to deal with. He still never found Bin Laden so he probably thinks Sadam will redeem him as he knows what country he is in at least.

Or maybe he wants to clean up his dads mistake, if his dad had dealt with sadam the first time all might have been well with the world.

Big Chief

apparently if they were to bomb uk the first place they would go for would be selafield.

in turn if selafield was bombed ireland would be blown off the map.

so i think war could affect ireland just a tad.

Saruman

The only way that could happen is a terrorist act. They have no ballistic missile capable of reaching the UK. They dont even seem to have the "weapons of mass destruction" Bush is going on about. Though the US WILL FIND SOME, they have to otherwise they cant justify the war.

ozpass

in turn if selafield was bombed ireland would be blown off the map.

Doesn't work quite like that.

Unless sellafield were attacked by terrorist nuclear technicians, failsafe mechanisms would drop graphite into the core at the first sign of a terrorist fart at the perimiter fence.

If the reactor did somehow go critical there would be contamination, but Ireland would still be firmly attached to the map.

daveg

If the reactor did somehow go critical there would be contamination, but Ireland would still be firmly attached to the map.

Ireland would still be attached to the map but if the correct wind conditions prevailed there would be an awful lot of Irish people dieing from radiation sickness/cancer/leukaemia. A large percentage of the population would be wiped over the space of 10 years.

ozpass

It is really, really, really difficult to force a modern nuclear core to go critical. They are designed from the offset not to do it. Failsafe mechanisms are built into every stage of the closed feedback loop control systems.

I reckon you'd have to physically remove the control rods from the core to make it happen, and god knows how many safeguards are in place to prevent you doing that.

P.S. I'm not idly speculating here- we did detailed studies into scanarios like this when designing control systems as part of my Chemical Engineering degree. Nuclear process plants really are the 'best of the best' within the industry.

Bard

Originally posted by the Guru
Do you think the war will effect us in Ireland

and if so why.

Yes.

There will be economic affects on Ireland because it will have a damaging affect on economies with which we have strong connections (US and UK) and will cause price rises in many products. Plus it will hit areas such as the travel and tourism industry as, once again, many Americans (one of our biggest sources of tourism income) feel serious reluctance to travel to Europe.

There are political affects because we're a member of the UN (due soon to head up the Global Disarmament committee [next in line alphabetically after Iran and Iraq, who both gave up their turns] ) and because we've made Shannon available to the US Air Force as a re-fuelling stop over point.

There are social and emotional affects because we are all human, with varying levels of understanding and empathy with the people involved. The planet is hurting at the moment - that affects us all in different ways.

And, of course, there's the psychological affects of the growing paranoia over the possibility of terror attacks in the UK and what that would mean to us, being right next door to them as we are, and the possibility of terror attacks in the USA, a country in which millions of 1st and 2nd generation Irish live and where many home-based Irish people have friends or relatives.

So yes, of course Ireland is affected, - just as most civilized countries in the world are.

Saruman

There will be economic affects on Ireland because it will have a damaging affect on economies with which we have strong connections

True and also not true. Some areas will have a bad time but others like the tech sector will have a better time. The reason is there a re a good few Irish companies with defense contracts with the US so now more than ever they will have business. Iona i think provide software used in missile guidence systems.

Hmmm, 97.5 cent a litre, for diesel at my local statoil:eek:
And the government get 21% vat on the net amount, so the more it rises, assuming we don't cut back on our car travel ( and with the roar of the engines outside, I see no evidence of that ) Charlies coffers are benefiting.
Indeed any price rise, if it doesn't effect demand,in the short term means VAT revenues will be up.
mm

bug

I don't know if Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists know the difference between Ireland and England.

What makes me cringe is when they keep talking about the Royal Irish Brigade in Iraq on Sky news. I don't like the affiliation. Why don't they call it something else, the term "Irish embodies the entire country/landmass of this Island and last time I looked the republic wasn't at war.

To be quite honest I don't think they care, we are all infidels in extremists eyes.

I would be afraid that in the event of a terrorist attack on England, that the north and republic may be targeted also.

I suppose Palastinians are aware of the situation in the North.

cournioni

It will effect the world economy, which in turn will effect Ireland.

byte

Originally posted by Bard
Yes.

There will be economic affects on Ireland because it will have a damaging affect on economies with which we have strong connections (US and UK) and will cause price rises in many products. Plus it will hit areas such as the travel and tourism industry as, once again, many Americans (one of our biggest sources of tourism income) feel serious reluctance to travel to Europe.

There are political affects because we're a member of the UN (due soon to head up the Global Disarmament committee [next in line alphabetically after Iran and Iraq, who both gave up their turns] ) and because we've made Shannon available to the US Air Force as a re-fuelling stop over point.

There are social and emotional affects because we are all human, with varying levels of understanding and empathy with the people involved. The planet is hurting at the moment - that affects us all in different ways.

And, of course, there's the psychological affects of the growing paranoia over the possibility of terror attacks in the UK and what that would mean to us, being right next door to them as we are, and the possibility of terror attacks in the USA, a country in which millions of 1st and 2nd generation Irish live and where many home-based Irish people have friends or relatives.

So yes, of course Ireland is affected, - just as most civilized countries in the world are.

Couldn't have put it better myself!

Rnger

Originally posted by the Guru
Do you think the war will effect us in Ireland

and if so why.

When i 1st read it, i dismissed this thread and thought every1 else would.

My reasons being:
Of course it will effect ireland.
You can think it wont, but you will be wrong. Not much discussion there, except for asking us why. But bard has that. End of discussion it seems...

RED HORN

Only if the republician gaurd makes a drive out of Iraq and past the middle east. First they will have to get the americans and brits out.

BigEejit

As regards the terrorist attacks on nuclear power stations / reprocessing plants theorys...
Any self respecting terrorist should know that Sellafield is very well guarded ... couldnt they instead attack any of the nuclear power stations that are all over Europe and get roughly the same effect, remember that fallout from Chernobyl was detected in Scotland ...It all depends on the prevailing wind

Samba

It already has, ive lost a total of an hours sleep, waking up on two seperate occasions hearing American jets roaring in the skies over head