Death of Phantoms message board

Ste k

This might be repeating a previous topic but has everyone or anyone noticed that there only seems to be blaytent plugs on this board now, as I write this this is 10 gig announcements on the first page.

Now I have used this before and it is important to tell everyone about the class gigs going on but really there should be some sort of limit. Maybe get some collective e-mail that phantom sends out every week with the list of gigs.

I dont know anyway, we need more discussion about the new flavours of ice-cream or fudge flavour breakfast cereal.

Anyone

spoiltbrat

Sorry but I'm one of these people. People promoting gigs use this page because they know more of the people they are trying to get to their gigs look at this page than the gig guide. Also they can get valuable feedback on peoples interest in the gig.
Cluas.com has a seperate gigs folder that is focused towards gigs but is still presented as a medium for discussion. Maybe Phantom could do the same?

Amz

Ste i raised this point a number of months back and i doubt if the response you receive will be any different. The board isnt going to change its format because this is the format that most people *apparently* seem to like so you can either like it or lump it....

Das ist alles

back to front

There is an odd kind of Irony in the ammount of gig posts.

An example of precisely why it is 80% of people dont talk about music but just plug gigs!

Can you see it?

polarbelly

as everyone argued before, if ya want the board to be different post more threads that you'd like to see discussed

people post their gig listings here (myself included) because some people are interested in reading about them... look at the amounts of views for a gig plug here as opposed to on the gig/events board on the music radio section of boards.ie

SilverCorp2000

I personally only hear about gigs on this messageboard, because to be honest, I don't really listen to Phantom too much anymore. Like someone said, if you want threads about fluffy kittens or where's the best place to buy porridge, then start the thread and I'll get drunk and post on it.

But where else, if you're in a band, is it free to advertise? Ads cost losts of money. People read the messageboard.
Therefore.........

ferdi

said in an annoying whinny voice -

"boo hoo hoo, i'm ste k, i want the board to be just the way i like it, boo hoo, i want my own way, everyone has to do things for me, its all about me, i'm a tosser, BOO HOO HOO!!!!"


only messin';)

ferdi

SilverCorp2000

An example of precisely why it is 80% of people dont talk about music but just plug gigs!

And 20% whine and moan that the Phantom board is not exactly what the Phantom board should be...although HOW these people know what the board should be is beyond me. Is there a handbook somewhere? I didn't get one.

Now I have used this before and it is important to tell everyone about the class gigs going on but really there should be some sort of limit

'Ohhhh, its okay for ME to do it, but nooooo, YOU can't'

Hmmmm.

I'm putting ten european monetary units on Ste's next post being:

'I started a thread on a topic that I thought I was a 100% correct on but people disagreed!! Have them shot! Other people having opinions?! For SHAME'

Or similar.

PiE

When exactly were opinions outlawed?

Space Coyote

a wise person once said, 80% of people don't believe in statistics

what am i trying to say? that's a good question...

Raggamuffin

the board is awful
deal with it.

polarbelly

like totally

stick a link up to your message board raggamuffin and let us know how its supposed to be done.

SilverCorp2000

Here's my one complaint about the messageboard. The amount of people who register, log in, post, come back, post again, come back, post again.....about how awful the board is.


If you don't like it, I really have to ask what the hell you're doing here.

Are you one of these people who buy tickets to see bands you despise just so you can moan about how terrible the gig was? I bet you are.


I once spilled boiling water over my arm...I didn't like it at all, and I complained plenty....but I sure as hell didn't do it over and over just so I could complain.

Raggamuffin

my messege board is private.
anyway the content may frighten you.

Raggamuffin

i did'nt have to buy the tickets for the bands i found awful.

otherwise id be even more annoyed.

SilverCorp2000

i did'nt have to buy the tickets for the bands i found awful.

Oh boy. I got my free tickets to Slane last year, so when I got home, I rang and said 'Never, EVER give me Slane tickets EVER again. Slane is HORRIBLE'.

So, ha at me.

Then I said 'But continue with the Witnness tickets. I like Witnness.'

Double ha at me, cos this year it means I get to stand in horrible Punchestown with crap parcking facilities wishing I had an 'Rewind/erase' button on my life. And a 'mute' button too.

Raggamuffin

a Mute button would have been in order when the thrills supported lowgold, many moons ago.

To be honest i love finding out about those last minue gigs because sometimes you come across real gem...

LEs Savy fav in The Parnell Mooney was one...
Enon supported... so good...

Damon_Kind

I used to post uner the name 'the 66 electric' but i changed for obvious reasons, worst one being that everyone thought a new thread i started was an obvious plug, which was only partly true.

But does anyone else not feel its time to let some of the ****ing ancient threads die? You know which ones i mean.

Raggamuffin

well i've never gone to a gig because somebody posted on this...

because usually you get alink to a website actually hear the band... and the use the fiver or tenner for something useful.

yeah the "song tag" and "song you're listening to now" are annoying.

maybe some genuine involvement between the messege board and phantomfm would be in order.

I mean don't you have to pay to get an ad on phantom, whereas you can do it here for free?

that don't seem right

PiE

Considering Phantom don't really OWN this board, they can't charge anything for advertising or whatnot.

If anything, Phantom should be paying Boards.ie.

SimonMaher

Hello all,

Jaysus, this is whats great about threads like this. They start off covering the same predictable ground, and then flies off on a tangent about free advertising, getting into gigs for free and boards.ie.

Briefly then, here goes. The Phantom messageboard is set up so people with an interest in Phantom can discuss topics of interest to them. This can include gig mentions etc but all sorts of other topics too. So its a community of interest sort of a buzz.

I dont quite understand the point made about it being free to advertise on the messageboard but not free to advertise on air. Whats the connection there? Perhaps Ragamuffin will explain that one.

And Pie, boards.ie very kindly offer us the board facility so I cant understand the relevance of your point that we should be paying boards.ie. Once again, feel free to explain.

On the main topic though, the board is as good as ye make it, and the topics are as good as ye make them too. Would posters like the idea of a topic of the week or more polls to get the creative juices flowing? As always, all suggestions gratefully received.

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

Amz

Can we post polls on this messageboard?

Ste k

I suppose it is what we make it. Now does anyone have anything interesting to say about music.

I'm spent right now.

PiE

Originally posted by Pete Reed
boards.ie very kindly offer us the board facility so I cant understand the relevance of your point that we should be paying boards.ie. Once again, feel free to explain.

Nah, I phrased that wrong. What I meant was if Phantom were to try and make money from this board (which I'm not saying you ever would or should, but it was mentioned above...), it'd be extremely erm... "impolite" considering it is free.

Tyrrial

i like....... stuff....

Cloud

Pete, if you want any of these muppets banned, just let us know.

FlapjackJoe

Well, back to the original issue (since the bizarre change of topic isn't really worthy of a reply )...

I think it's easy enough to spot a gig plug from a mile off (most of the info is crammed into the subject anyway); is it that difficult to NOT look at those threads then if you're not interested? (now if that's not enough, maybe people wanting to plug their gigs should all start off the subject with Gig: or something to make it even clearer...

And another suggestion, why not make a sticky topic where people can posts gigs 1 or 2 days max in advance (with no bumping allowed). I'm one of those type of people that sit around, picking my nose, scratching my balls and then suddenly get an urge to go out. Now, if I could go to a thread where I have to scroll through 3 replies to find a gig to go to (instead of having to sort my way through 50 threads), it might just come in handy.

OK, and after typing all of that, I discovered a few flaws in this great plan of mine, but I'll leave it to you all to point it out to me...

And Cloud - can we also request to have certain people banned?

taellad

Originally posted by Cloud
Pete, if you want any of these muppets banned, just let us know.

You're kidding, right? So, people get banned for voicing their opinions on the board? That's kind of stoopid.

Em, I should probably keep my mouth shut, shouldn't I?

DeVore

I think you'll find we're talking about people who are being distruptive.

The problem is that you dont have clear rules/charter so its impossible to say whats disruptive and whats desired content.

I would smack all gig advertisers (since there IS a gigs forum) but maybe you all love them. Impossible to tell.

If the community comes up with clear boundaries, pete can enforce them and we can back him up.

As for Boards.ie and Phantom, we'd normally charge profit making entities for a board of their own but Phantom are almost an institution round here and besides, I kinda have a soft spot for pirates (ooooh arrrr!) and they've been very friendly to us in the past. So I dont see that ever changing really...

Anyway its Phantoms call as we rarely get too involved with the communities forums directly unless asked.

DeV.

Raggamuffin

blah blah blah

YOu have to Pay to advertise on phantom right?
or else i'm mistaken in which case my poin is invalid.
So basically rather than pay to adverstise on the radio, people use the messegeboard instead.

And i've never actually seen one instance were this messege board has seriously contributed to phantom.

To be honest i don't really take kindly to being called moany and grumpy for expressing an opinion btw pete.

Just because you have a talent for shooting down almost every argument aimed at phantom doe'snt make you correct. We used to switch on pahntom expecting quality, now we seriously switch it on for a good laugh.

Are you unwilling to accept that the standard of the music played on phantom is debatable?
Well to be honest you seem to have enough people backing you up maybe i am wrong after all.

FlapjackJoe

Mmmmm, to be quite honest, I think it's none of our business who charges who for what. It doesn't really affect us now, does it?

I think the bottom line is what DeVore said - if the moderators can give a yes/no to gigs being plugged, it's up to them... (who is charging who how much for advertising where really shouldn't involve the likes of me, a mere music fan...)

Personally, I like gigs being posted. Saves me from having to go to other sites...

SimonMaher

Hello all,

Some good points made, some odd stuff too, but sure isnt that the nature of these things!

Pie, I understand what you were trying to say now, and yep its true too. But no, Phantom would never charge for gig ads on the message board.

I see the point about maybe asking people plugging gigs to start their posts with GIG: or some such. Might be a plan. There has been a ban on "bumping" for ages now, but I just havent had time to enforce it. Will start to enforce it if needed though.

And yep, maybe a 7 days maximum advance notice on a gig would be a good idea too. What do ye all think?

Ragamuffin, people advertise gigs on the board but not always as a way of avoiding paying for advertising. Plugging a gig on the board gets a few hundred visitors to get your message, while advertising gets access to upwards on 30,000 people a week. Simple as that. I didnt call you moany or grumpy for expressing an opinion by the way, that was just a general observation . And glad you switch on Phantom for a good laugh, it does you good.

The entirely different topic of opinions on the music played on Phantom is not really relevant to this thread, but feel free to start another thread on it. Its been at least 2 months since we last trotted that one out.

Back to the point though, and I agree that we do need a policy for gig plugging on the board so lets open it to suggestions.

And finally, as always thanks to boards.ie for hosting this discussion, class acts so they are!

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

Sir

I'd have to agree with the Limiting of gig plugs to 7 days or less before a gig.

Also perhaps stricter controls over sticking to the subjects of a thread (i realise im a culprit at times but ive learned my lesson) eg. This thread has changed or varied in subject from the current state of posts on the board to advertising and who should pay or not pay, to the quality/lack of same in the music which phantom plays. Perhaps if posts were moved to their own seperate threads when this happens it may keep the discussion/debate a bit more fluid, or would this take up too much time/space?

Meh! anyway im all out....

If i have any more "brain waves" (smart comments on a postcard please!) I'll be sure and enlighten you!

Raggamuffin

Eirecore have a Sticky thread for Upcoming gigs,
maybe something like that would benefit the messege board.

ttb

Down with this sort of thing.

The Tycho Brahe would like to say that we are appalled when bands trying to notify the general public of live music and we DEEPLY frown upon people trying to find out about live music.

-

The Tycho Brahe would also like to say that we are playing in the sugar club this friday, €8 euro in, 8.30 til late.




Donal

seriously though - personally I find message boards the BEST way to find out about gigs - be it Throwing Muses, Fleetwood Mac (may be touring Europe this year - woo hoo!), the66electric or whatever.

It really is a case of - if you don't like the subject line don't read it.

.

PiE

Originally posted by ttb
It really is a case of - if you don't like the subject line don't read it.

I think that's one of the problems some people are complaining about; it's not always clear from the subject line that it is a gig plug.

Pete, if you need any help enforcing de lawwww, I've nothing better to do all day in college ;]

Carol Anne

I would never dream of plugging The Tycho Brahe's gig in the Sugar Club this coming Friday, doors 8.30, 8 europes, late club afterwards. No way sirree!!

SimonMaher

Subtle Carol Anne, very subtle! Really looking forward to the gig though, should be class so I'll allow it :-)

My apologies to anyone who was trying to PM me the last couple of days by the way. Turns out my message box thingy was full, but all is sorted again now.

And vaguely straying on topic for a moment, I think we will do a charter thingy and give guidelines for plugging gigs, moderation etc. Leave it with my tiny brain for a few days, and continue to suggest at will.

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

Wicker

Maybe a Subforum for bands to advertise their gigs ?
(or a Sticky Topic Perhaps)

Gerrymac

You have to consider its a way of letting people who they have spoken to before on these boards know what they are up to.
I'm into many Irish bands who can't afford to put posters up around town, so the boards are a good way of finding out whats on. Just leave it.

thedrowner

wow, the Uber mods are in on this one and all

amz,i dont think you can post polls on this forum

i've said it before and i'll say it again, i dont like the idea of a sticky about the gigs coz some of us like posting about going to the gig, and making arrangements, and what we thought of the bands, and it'd get messy if there was a sticky. imo.

Tyrrial

i find a lot of the gig post helpful.....
but it is a bit rediculous, i think they should be cut down a bit, there are a bit to many.....
at the moment at least

polarbelly

pretty much all the info i get on gigs comes from here so i'm happy with it the way it is... but of course i'm gonna say that anyway

click here

Yeh, but at the top of every page on this website is 'Arts' which contains 'Music/Radio' which contains (among other things) 'Bands/Musicians' and ' Gigs/Events'.

Posters should restrict their messages to these areas, so everyone can make the most of this message board.

See?

Gary D

Yep, to be honest looking at a plug for a gig (not electrical plug that would be annoying) really doesnt take up too much time i cant see how it gets on peoples wick(thats a first) so much.

polarbelly

out of interest loike...

do those of you who dont like having the gig posts up on this board mind talking bout gigs like witnness, slane, and smaller gigs when they're finished, as in what ppl thought of them?

polarbelly

Originally posted by click here
Yeh, but at the top of every page on this website is 'Arts' which contains 'Music/Radio' which contains (among other things) 'Bands/Musicians' and ' Gigs/Events'.

Posters should restrict their messages to these areas, so everyone can make the most of this message board.

See?

agreed

but....

alot of the people who post here post solely on this board and dont pay any attention to any of the other boards.ie msg boards

Raggamuffin

So have one sticky thread, as previously mentioned, for all your gigging needs.

As for the drowner's social life, i mean you havea private messeging system and the personal issues board.

Gar_ptc

Yes, but her life is so damned interesting. If I'm careful I may forget to lead one of my own.You may understand one day,raggy.But I'm cynical

Raggamuffin

You're cynical...
wow good for you....

why don't you join a club or society

tiggertigger

Emmm a sticky thread may be the best solution alright.
I can see what is meant by gigs taking over the board.
Having said that, I don't think that the gigs should be
relegated to another forum. Who wants the trouble
of going to another forum? I have to say I don't check
that forum at all. Mainly because my internet connection
was fitted by Marconi and he hasn't been 'round to
update it.

Anyway the people using this forum are the only people
who might recognise the name of a band and go down
to check them out. I mean you've got to find some way
to get to your target audience. There's no point in us
advertising on FM104 is there?

I have to say though it is entirely up to phantom how they
want their board to be run.

Pete, the seven day gig rule sounds reasonable. It would
kind of limit the temptation to bump a post too. Or maybe
that was the idea behind it in the first case. If so, well done.

So yeah in summation... sticky thread might be a good solution.
Or else limit gig posts to just 7 days beforehand.