mobile phone radiation

Sniipe

I don't know if this is the right place to post this but sure if u have a poll here about the erect penis then u guys must be mad/bored!?!

Anywho...

I've been using the old mobile phone a fair bit and frankly I find my right ear and head being very hot after a long call. I use a siemens (m35) which I know emmits way less radiation to the nokia equivalent. I was looking up ways of reducing the amout of radiation going into my head cause at this stage its hurting me (headaches, blackouts(sometimes) and depressive in the mornings! )

I came up wit the idea of a hands free set (not me personally but I though about using one), but one of my friends told me that "Beta radiation is a flow of negative electrons and will be drawn through a copper wire" Now he reckons that its a bad idea, but I'm not so sure, I reckon it will btr for me instead of doing what I am always doing.

I'm in College in Dundalk while the girlfriend is back home in Galway. We ring each other everyday for about 1/2 hour a day. There is a phone box around, but its an awful hassle getting there and is Freezin!

A site told me this:

ways to reduce radiation->


using land-line phones where practicable, especially for long calls;


making fewer mobile phone calls;


spending minimal time on mobile phone calls;


retrieving voicemail messages on landline phones;


using 'hands free' mobile phone kits;


holding the phone away from your ear;


buying mobile phones with lower power outputs;


selecting a handpiece design that uses effective shielding technology.

this site told me

Any comments??

sisob

Stop using mobile phones? I've been thinking about it for a while.

Then Sniipe, you and me can be the only ones in 20 years without brain tumours.

Sniipe

not really an option ! Although an idea that I'd love to persue. I only go home once every 4 weeks, and the g/f is someone who I have 2 keep in constant contact wit, u know how it is, love and all !

Gordon

If they made bluetooth wireless headphones that would be a solution. I rarely use my phone to call people, that reason is the main one.

I'll transfer this to Wireless.

Repli

I got something a while ago.. from coca-cola or fanta that absorbed the radiation when your making calls
It was just a small sticker on the back of the phone.. you should check it out

daveirl

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Repli

ITs better than nothing.. I was told it reduces the radiation getting into your head..

daveirl

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Sniipe

Ok since I've been moved to here, I'll ask this

Will using a hands free set put more radiation into my head?

ST

If you talk to you girlfriend from the same location every day you could run a handsfree car kit off a 12V dc power supply and use it to talk to her.

I remember hearing something in the news about a study that was done on personal handsfree kits, but I dont remember what the outcome was.

mooman_00

handsfree kits cause more damage than just the phone alone, but than again if you listen to the phone companies than there is no such thing as mobilephone radiation:D ,... seriously though the hands free kits are supposed to amplify the radiation through the wire and send it all in your head direction, so i wouldn't advise it. Sony have a bluetooth wireless handfree kit on their picture phone the Sony/Ericson T68i its a **** hot phone but costly. Another issue i find just as worring is the fact that most people carry their phone in their pockets(most lads do anyway) and the radiation is in very close contact with our reproductive organs. We might not all have brain tumors in 20 years but we sure as fucck will have problems having kids. Our sperm will have a close resemblance to homer simpsons (banging their heads off one another)............

Sniipe

thats all I wanted to hear.

the hands free kits are supposed to amplify the radiation through the wire and send it all in your head direction

and I guess everyone knows about

most people carry their phone in their pockets(most lads do anyway) and the radiation is in very close contact with our reproductive organs

but don't really give a sh-it, or don't realise how bad it "could" be.

After hearing what I've heard here I think I'll find another way to make those fone calls. Perhaps it will save me a fortune.

mooman_00

the hands free car kid and 12v battery mentioned above is the best idea ive heard yet and possibly the easiest solution good luck with it anyway!!!

Sniipe

The battery and car kit is a good idea, but then everyone in the room will be able to hear it (I live in student campus, small place!)

I'll look into some other way, perhaps I can make calls from my laptop, but the connection here may be too slow! when it comes down to it mobile phones are extremely handy but dangerous! (IMO)

mooman_00

off topic

cordless phones are dangerous too in another way, one of me mates recentlyu had his phone conversation broadcasted through his neighbours tv i think, maybe radio, but they heard his whole conversation not exactly what you want happening...

Back to topic get your girlfriend to ring you(give her the money and all) that way there are no health risks for you...

Sniipe

get her to ring me?? what ring me in a public fone? nahh, the only 1 nearby is very close to the main road and tis hard to hear what she says (blah blah blah, j/k ) Oh well this is a hopeless situation! perhaps I'll put a very long string into a beans tin and run it from Dundalk to Galway :rolleyes:

Cordless phones? As in the new those new eircom fones type, or 1 of the really old ones?

mooman_00

i dont think its an eircom one but its new enough it could be digital ill get on to him and find out.... Ill sell you some carrier pidgeons that'll do the job nicely should only take them a few hours to do the trip from dundalk to galway thay are going at a good price too...

PJ Hunt

For those of us lucky enough to have the phone that is. My company provides Bluetooth Headsets to the trade, and personally I find them invaluable.

I use one in the office, in the car, and in the home.

From a sefety point of view, you are connected to the phone using the 2.4 GHz wireless range, and can be up to 10 meters away, so no more hot ears !

From a convienence point of view, I find them invaluable. Totally handsfree, you just forget ur wearing it.

From a security point of view they work on a frequency hopping spread sprectrum technique, so no danger of the neighbours kids listening to that call to your G/F !

This is not an ad !!

Cheerio

PJ

davej

mooman_00 said

handsfree kits cause more damage than just the phone alone,

This thread appears to be based upon rumour and speculation, please try and back up your wild allegations with some facts!
A hair dryer emits much more radiation than a mobile and I bet you nobody even thinks twice about blasting it at their heads.

davej

From the ieee website..

In 1996 the health records of more than 250 000 mobile phone users were reviewed by Kenneth Rothman, a senior epidemiologist at Epidemiology Research Institute, in Newton Lower Falls, Mass. This industry-sponsored WTR study reported no difference in mortality between the users of hand-held portable phones, where the antenna is placed close to the head, and mobile cellular phones, where the antenna is mounted on the vehicle, resulting in lower RF exposure.

In a later, follow-up study, the same investigators examined the causes of death among nearly 300,000 mobile phone users (including some from the previous study) in several U.S. cities. "The only category of cause of death for which there was an indication of increasing risk with increasing minutes of use," the investigators reported in a November 1999 letter in the Journal of the American Medical Association, "was motor vehicle collisions."


In a study that received extensive press coverage even before it was published, Lennart Hardell and his colleagues at the Örebro Medical Centre in Örebro, Sweden, assessed mobile phone use by 209 Swedish brain tumor patients in comparison to 425 healthy controls. The study, funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, was negative in virtually all respects.

RicardoSmith

I don't get this. The whole issue of radiation is actually from radio waves no? Because the phone is actually and emitter of them. Surely the Bluetooth headset does exactly the same thing? But a much lower power though.

Also I don't see how the wired handsfree increases the effect since it moves the emitter further away from you. How does it move the radiation up the wire? Sorry but thats sounds like bulldroppings! If that was the case you'd get the same effect for all electronic gear worn on the head like earphones for music and other RT gear like pilots and telephone operaters wear.

Besides radiation doesn't travel along wires it travels pretty much through everything in all directions other than things like lead and that tinfoil like material you see all over the place. (what is that made of by the way?)

Best solution is to avoid using the mobile phone as much as possible. As for ringing you girlfirend, get a landline phone installed where you live that can only recieve calls. No problems with bills then. Be a whole heck cheaper than using the mobile and you can pay towards her bills instead. (get an itemised bill though ) : )

Or shag someone in college instead

flywheel

i use my PC as a bluetooth headset with the SonyEricsson T68i and a bluetooth adapter - so no radio emissions beside my head - very handy for long calls - some more info in this post

BrianG

Sniipe

First of all I'm not really interested in knowing about Car hands free kits, anyone and everyone can listen into those conversations. I'm only interested in the headphone set where the wire leads from the phone into my ear.

u c 1 of my fiends told me

Beta radiation is a flow of negative electrons and will be drawn through a copper wire

now is this true?

I should have made it clearer earlier on that I was not on about the car hands free kits. Sorry.

Secondly Davej, the reson I posted in the first place was because I was getting headaches from over using the phone. There is no denying the fact that after using the mobile for 1/2 hour, your ear is hot.

I know what the studies say but I am getting headaches (which probably are not tumourous) but which none the less are affecting me

now it could be coinsidence, that I am getting headaches (I never got them previously), perhaps college is getting to me, but I would feel "safer" knowing.

PJ Hunt I am however interested in the bluetooth headsets, can I use them with my exsisting phone and how expensive are they?

RicardoSmith; I liked the idea of getting someone else in college, I may do something about that (hopefully the g/f isn't reading these, just kidding anyway). Land lines are not possible in Student Campus!

mooman_00

Rumour has it that rumour and speculation never hurt anyone!! Ok so maybe i should do an in depth study into mobile phone radiation and hands free kits and their effects before i ever post another related thread...... or mabye im going (granted its from memory) on consumer related tv shows(not the best source of info ill admit) that i have seen that have collected their own information on the subject... They have been on almost every tv station at some point or another (tv3's agenda, discovery etc.) So although its not backed its also not bull**** i dreamed up in my spare time!

RicardoSmith

I must check out the radiation from handsfree and bluetooth units, somthing to consider certainly. Some quick scouting around the web seems to suggest that an wired handsfree isn't the safest thing either : (

http://www.rfsafe.com/articles/reuters_110200.htm

Could your gf not ring you on a payphone at the college using a prepaid card or something?

PJ Hunt

Hi Sniipe,


The headsets themselves can be used with ANY bluetooth enabled phone.


For any phone that is not bluetooth enabled, there is a small adapter available which simply plugs into the bottom of your phone and becomes a base unit for the bluetooth headset.

We hope to retail them at € 79 approx.

The adapters prob € 10

Hope that helps, I'll let ye know when we roll them out.


Cheers

Sniipe

gosh this is fast posting by u guys, I look up some info on the web and come back and hey presto another post...

anyway

Pj Hunt give us a PM whenever they come out. The sooner the better

RicardoSmith; liked that website, must look into it in more depth. Perhaps I will find something interesting on it!

payphones are gay, people queing up behind u and I totally feel as if I should get off them and let them on, besides I loose the comfort factor of being in my apt!

RicardoSmith

I've seen cheapo car kits that basically turn a phone into a speaker phone in eircom stores and the like. Some phones even have that functionality built in.

I still say you should just shag someone in college though

davej

Secondly Davej, the reson I posted in the first place was because I was getting headaches from over using the phone. There is no denying the fact that after using the mobile for 1/2 hour, your ear is hot.

Why don't you try a little experiment:

Turn off your mobile phone and hold it up to your ear for half an hour just as if you were talking to your gf ! Then tell us if your ear feels like it's been heated up. If you still get the headache than you can probably rule out RF signals from your phone as a reason for the headaches. Perhaps you are getting them because of the strain of holding your arm and neck in an awkward postion for long periods of time...

davej

Sniipe

come on davej what a load of.... do u sell mobile phones for a living or what?

davej

No i don't sell mobile phones for a living it's just that it kind of bugs me when i hear people express irrational fears about technology or science. For example when people speak about "radiation" as if it's some type of evil force. Look it up in the dictionary to see what it actually means..

OK yes i was taking the píss in my last post..sorry

davej

daveirl

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ST

Is finding somewhere else to live so you can get a landline installed an option?

Sniipe

St, I've paid the monies and if I leave I loose my deposit, etc, etc...

daveirl, so what ur saying is that there is no major side affects from mobile phones, it would be just as bad being beside a mobile as to being beside a radiant light for the same lenght?

Why is there such a fuss so over the "mobile phone radiation", ie press releases, so many studies, news, etc... ??

Redshift

I'm on my second year studying communications systems part time from what I have studied in the time I honestly belive that mobile phones don't represent a hazard to health, the power output of a gsm phone is 1 or 2 watts at the very most and is generally much lower. gsm or tdma networks use small cell spacing ranging from a few hundred yards in a street to a couple of killometers. This means that generally your phone is going to be quite close to a base station this is especially true in the cities and will usually use a low power output. You could be right under a base station in the city and not know it because they are often just a box on a wall which looks like any other junction or electrical box. As mentioned before those stick on devices just alter with the electromagnetic field coming from the phone and will usually cause the phone to work harder and cause more dropped calls.

Other that my studies I have no dealings with any moblie comapany or network.

RicardoSmith

I think the problem with mobiles is for heavy users who have the phone clamped to the side of their head for half an hour at a time.

daveirl

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Caesar_Bojangle

This is something me thats been bothering me lately.

Does anyone know if you keep the phone switched off when you're not using it, does it still manage to emit any degree of radiation?

daveirl

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yellum

Do remember that in an area of bad reception the phone pumps up the power to get a better signal. The less bars the more raditation !

daveirl

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air

Overall comments on this thread are very poorly researched

Another issue i find just as worring is the fact that most people carry their phone in their pockets(most lads do anyway) and the radiation is in very close contact with our reproductive organs.

In reference to the above quote, GSM supports paging so that
your phone is not constantly emitting radiation in your pocket.
If it did your battery wouldnt last any length. I'm sure everyone
has heard their speakers make noise every 20mins or so when
they are not even using their phone - thats your phone registering
with the base station every 20mins or so just to let
it know that its still turned on and available to receive calls.
The registration is very quick & the total amount of energy output
is tiny.

With regard to 1-2 Watts power output being tiny (GSM) i definitely
wouldnt agree with this, 1-2 watts of EIRP is a lot
of energy.

To make yet another point - how many of you use microwave ovens?
A microwave oven has very effective radiation shielding but yet when one is running there is a seriously strong field for at least
10 metres around it.

With regard to bluetooth headsets, yes they are low power but
they operate at a frequency which is higher than gsm - 2.4GHz in
fact, the same operating frequency as your common or garden
microwave oven!

tribble

Overall comments on this thread are very poorly researched

Agreed - not a single mention of the units of electromagnetic radiation absorbance (watts/kilogram) or SAR (Specific Absorption Rate).
(As of last year all phones shipped in the EU have had to come shipped with a leaflet detailing the SAR in w/kg.)

i use my PC as a bluetooth headset with the SonyEricsson T68i and a bluetooth adapter - so no radio emissions beside my head - very handy for long calls - some more info in this post

mmm 2.4 GHz - microwave technology - admittedly the amount of radiation from bluetooth units is tiny but it is arguablly a more dangerous frequency (than 900/1800/1900MHz)

Mobile Phone Radiation is electromagnetic radiation. The same type of radiation as light. In fact mobile phones transmit Radio Waves. The only possible side effect that has been mentioned is the heating effect on your brain.

oh and DNA reformation and a few other nicities:rolleyes:

tribble

PS - and yes i use a mobile (it's almost inescapable nowadays) but i try to use a plantronics headset, they tested 0.00 w/kg in independent labs in europe and aus.

daveirl

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ST

Maplin Electronics have the following device on special offer for €15 in their latest flyer.

It is a cassette adapter with microphone that turns your car stereo into a hands free kit for your mobile. You will find it on their website in the communications section. ( www.maplin.co.uk )

I'm sure you could stick it in a walkman and use it with a pair of headphones instead of a car stereo.

oneweb

IIRC, mobiles use really low-power microwaves (as opposed to Microwave ovens which use really really high power)

Someone mentioned those Coca-Cola/Fanta little flashing sticker things. They don't prevent or even reduce radiation! They're powered by a tiny battery and switch on when the phone gets a network signal during a call or during network registration every few minutes (when there's some radiation being emitted from the phone).

IMO, those little radiation blocker tags that you can attach to your phone are pure nonsense. As previously mentioned, if they did work, your phone would have to use more power to keep a signal. Think of a heating system radiator. The only way (for the purpose of the point I'm trying to make) to greatly reduce radiation is to completely wrap the thing in insulation. The best thing for a mobile would be to encase it in lead. Which, of course, would be an even worse health issue.

Most people have radiation devices in their home :- lightbulbs which radiate (um) light, and radiators which radiate (um again) heat. Radiation is not always bad!

Slightly off topic, but worth a mention, is that when switched on, mobiles regularly say hello to the nearest network cell, which is usually several hundred meters nearby, in order to stay connected. Basically meaning that 02/voda/met has the power to track and/or log the location and travels of any particular mobile user. (Not that they do, but there are people working there, bored, who might be up to no good). Fine when you pay as you go, but combined with the details you gave when you registered, it's a privacy nut's hell :cool:

Of course, it's not all bad. God forbid in the event of something bad happening, the person can (obviously) use the phone to call for help, or have their previous location tracked to a relatively small area.

Back to the topic, if it's a fairly new model of mobile, you should be fine, but don't let the phone make contact with your head (you've read the bit in the manual that says "Do not touch the antenna when on a call"?)

It might be your hand that's heating your head, however, see a doc about the blackouts, regardless.

Just my 2c...

tribble

Show me one shred of evidence to back that up. Radio Waves do not do that at all.

Evidence
here ,and here and here

The first two are recent studies (this year) the third is a collection of old studies (in dutch with some english).

There are millions of radio waves hitting you right now, don't you think they'd be doing substantial damage if they did what you said.

The amount of radiation passing through a specific area is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of that area from the energy source. This phenomenon is called the Inverse Square Law. Intensity = I/d2 see
here for the phisics lesson.

Basically the further from the transmitter you are the lower the raiation. After the first meter or so the power of the transmitter almost becomes irrelevent (for GSM 900/1800/1900 anyway).
But put one against your head and you may run into problems.


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