Dcmnr Online Forum Re Policy Direction To Comreg

JimHacker

Dept of Communications seem to have an online forum up and running on the draft Policy Driection to the ComReg.

Useful place to put your thoughts...........


its at www.dcmnr.ie

SkepticOne

Great. Everyone should post their views on that forum if they care about the direction the Government is taking.

sceptre

That forum is here.

And I'm stickying this for a wee while (few days at least just so people notice) - an opportunity like this doesn't come along every day (thanks for letting us all know Jim)

yellum

Originally posted by SkepticOne
Great. Everyone should post their views on that forum if they care about the direction the Government is taking.

Email the membership and tell them too

eircomtribunal

Originally posted by SkepticOne
Everyone should post their views on that forum

that is whenever they get it to work properly.

We've our recent response to the Dep of Comm's call for views on their Internet strategy now as a pdf file on www.eircomtribunal.com.

Peter

dahamsta

Peter, that's an absolutely fabulous document. I'm going to be printing that out and sending it myself with a cover note saying, effectively, "What he said." I trust that will be ok with you?

adam

Valentia

Well done Peter,

I am going to write as well and offer my support for your submission.

Valentia

JimHacker

Sunday morning -Just checked on DCMNR website - only TWO postings on the Online Forum on the Policy Direction.

I thought we wanted people to know that we were INTERESTED in getting FRIACO?

JimHacker

EIRCOMTRIBUNAl -
whileI have you there I'd like to ask a question - someone told me the other night (in the pub ono less) that eircomtribunal.com is funded by ESAT BT - is this so - have they EVER donated/funded/advised you?

Just wondering - considering they're as bad as the rat.

PiE

Jim, somehow I doubt it's funded in any way, shape or form by any telco.

Read that et.com report a few days ago, been waiting for a chance to say how bloody good it is.

tuxy

when i open the .pdf it says the viewer cannot decrypt this document
iv downloaded it a few times and no luck am i the only one having this problem?

PiE

Yea actually, using Acrobat 4.0 I get that error.

Think I viewed it with v5.x when I read it. Try getting new version if you haven't already?

Hope they don't have any problems opening it

zynaps

Originally posted by JimHacker
Sunday morning -Just checked on DCMNR website - only TWO postings on the Online Forum on the Policy Direction.

I thought we wanted people to know that we were INTERESTED in getting FRIACO?

People might be worried of opening their mouths and saying something that'd set us back... at least I am

What could I say that people who are actually up to date and educated will not say better?

zynaps

zynaps

Great work on eircomtribunal's response

It is absolutely clear from all international
experience that the problem of broadband is not a lack of demand but a lack of supply.

Do not ask the blind to lead the blind! Chinese proverb

zynaps

yellum

I completely agree with Adam here, the Eircom Tribunal reply should be printed and signed by everyone and posted to the powers that be.

A brilliant document. Again I have to ask why IrelandOffline isn't doing something like this.

Charts, diagrams, pictures, simple analogies.... Brilliant !

Damien

DonegalMan

Originally posted by zynaps
People might be worried of opening their mouths and saying something that'd set us back... at least I am

What could I say that people who are actually up to date and educated will not say better?

zynaps

The more people who add their support the better, IMHO the wide range of inputs into this forum - both positive and negative - have played a major role in the impact of IOFFL.

The more debate there is in as many different places as possible, the more it gives the lie to Eircom's claims about lack of interest in Internet access.

I understand that the fact that it is a government site could make it a bit intimidating for some people, and we certainly want to be even more careful than usual about our 'netiquette' , avoiding flame wars, bad language, Off Topic issues, etc .

If you think that points have already been expressed well there, why not just post a short message supporting them ?

Martin Harran

Valentia

I agree. It is giving a false impression to the Department if people, especially the mass who participate here, don't have their say on the Forum.

Would you blame them for thinking that there is very little interest in the subject if the response is low. Com'on gang get involved.

PiE

Yep, let them know what you think but try to type it legibly :]

Valentia

Didn't I?

PiE

Oops, sorry, didn't intend that for you, I just meant for people not to get too carried away and start rants on the DCMNR board. That won't help anyone :]

Valentia

I knew I had a few typos on my submission. Just wondered. NP

ColinM

I've added my support in the EircomTribunal submission thread on the DCMNR website. I feel better for having done something constructive for "the cause". I Hope the moderators here and people behind EircomTribunal approve of what I have said. I was concious that there is the possibility of saying something which may not further our aims, and I would guess that alot of other people are put off posting there for the same reason. With that in mind, if there are any objections to anything I have said I will consider revising my post. However, I see it as more or less a petition where the more names added, the more weight it will be seen to carry.

yellum

I added my support too.

LoBo

Very good posts there Valentia and ColinM - coherent and reasoned

Also added my support.

timod

Mine can be seen at:
http://www.dcmnr.gov.ie/forum//display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=17&PagePosition=1

Tim

LoBo

another great post, good work timod.

JimHacker

An important point I just noticed.

The eircomtribunal submission on the DCMNR website is a submission to the DCMNR Statement of Strategy NOT the Policy Direction.

They'll need to do one for the Policy Direction seperately - they are two VERY seperate things - I presume one cannot be taken into account for the other.

pork99

I just meant for people not to get too carried away and start rants on the DCMNR board. That won't help anyone

Well I always think of this board as somewhere you can say the sort of things you might say in the pub after a pint or two

however I feel that posting on the DCMNR board because its a govt site is more like a court appearance, you watch your language, wear a suit etc

tired now - must sleep (keels over into pool of stout)

PiE

It would appear that DCMNR board is a bit of a sham. Probably put up by the site admin or something, the people in the DCMNR probably don't even know about it and even if they did they wouldn't give a damn because it's on the evil internet.

I'm disapointed, I thought it could have been a very valuable source of info for them and us.

sceptre

Originally posted by PiE
It would appear that DCMNR board is a bit of a sham

Seems so (at least there's no evidence to the contrary)

Started a topic there asking that very question (or rather ripping off your comment above):)

If they don't reply, it's reasonable evidence that they don't read it. If they don't read it, it's there as a pure PR stunt (or dampening exercise) which I for one would be happy to highlight wherever possible.

zynaps

Perhaps they intend it to be a discussion board purely for the public to argue amongst themselves, which they won't pay attention to?

If so, we've already got that, except with more attention, here

zynaps

pork99

Perhaps they intend it to be a discussion board purely for the public to argue amongst themselves, which they won't pay attention to?

give it a chance - its only been there a few weeks afaik

SkepticOne

Originally posted by JimHacker
EIRCOMTRIBUNAl -
whileI have you there I'd like to ask a question - someone told me the other night (in the pub ono less) that eircomtribunal.com is funded by ESAT BT - is this so - have they EVER donated/funded/advised you?

Then we'd have to have an Eircom Tribunal Tribunal.

spongebob

..from Jim Hacker to Eircomtribunal

I would have expected a simple answer to it too....

M

eircomtribunal

Originally posted by Muck


I would have expected a simple answer to it too....

M

Sorry, must have been too busy with stowing away the brown envelopes, all those secret meetings and stuff...

Which part of our web site and activities is leading to such an idea?

Peter

spongebob

page 1 of this thread, asked by JimHacker
Here 3 weeks ago.

eircomtribunal

Originally posted by JimHacker
EIRCOMTRIBUNAl -
whileI have you there I'd like to ask a question - someone told me the other night (in the pub ono less) that eircomtribunal.com is funded by ESAT BT - is this so - have they EVER donated/funded/advised you?

Just wondering - considering they're as bad as the rat.

So you are serious with that question.
Serious answer: Unfortunately it is the other way round: It is me who is donating to them on a bi-monthly basis, funding their operations. I tried to give them advice, but don't know about them listening.

Ooops,
on second thoughts, after serious recollection and after going again methodically through the contents of my waste paper basket I've unearthed this compromising document – God am I glad to have this off my chest.

spongebob

Dustaz

Ah for gods sake ET, please keep that to yourself or people will cop on that im getting free dsl in return for killing the REALLY good eircom threads

DeVore

see this: http://www.dcmnr.ie/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=16&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=2

is why I shouldnt be allowed post outside Boards.ie where I have to behave *giggle*...

DeV.

vinnyfitz

Bold DeV!

PiE

DTTS: "The Minister almost certainly doesnt know that this forum exists and sure as hell doesnt read it.
If he can turn a computer on, we'd be amazed. We put the printer upside-down on top of the shredder and print out everything posted here for his review. Thank you, come again."

Roffle.