Do you hate/dislike the English?

Mark

God penguins are deadly. Soooo?

The Gopher

Apart from the english football fans who every single world cup claim that they are going to win[theyd most probably claim it even if they didnt manage to reach it]i dont mind them.

Mark

Just checking to see if our stereotype has any truth in it

Corega

I must say when I watch Michael Collin's my veins bulge up and I go storming around the place telling evryone how I'm gonna kill 'em. At the same time though it angers me when I see DeVelera. I dispise the English of the olden days because they were quite prejudiced against us, I would have stereotyped each one of them merely because they were prejudiced against them ( I'm proud of my country, you f<ck with it, you f<ck with me ). On saying that though I have many friends and relatives in England and I think as a country it has become a lot more friendlier and welcomed by most.

Oeneus

Well...being English, I'm not really allowed to vote on this...but I'm going to try and do a bit of defending for the English. I'm not even going to look at the results of the poll because I don't want to know.

But first off...history is history, and most of us English don't care about the History anymore. I mean we even barely talk of WW 2 anymore. Although last night we got drunk and for some reason started talking about how cool Spitfires were . But generally here in England we don't judge people by their race, I know there are exceptions, some ignorant people who I have come across. I was at a guys house last week in Wales and they were talking about Big Brother and one said "Is that Fat n1gger still in it?" which nearly made me puke.

But generally we don't hate the Irish...skangers though. that's a different story. I left Ireland last month because of the racial abuse I got from people.

English Football Hooligans i have to agree with you, though. they drive me insane. But say when England get knocked out of the World Cup/Euro Cup, the English cheer for either Ireland or Scotland depending on who's still in. I asked a guy in a pub in Ireland when Ireland get knocked out would they cheer for England afterwards. He was like "**** no! Screw them!"

This is why I just felt uncomfortable in Ireland. I rarely socialised due to it. Mainly spent my time in doors browsing the boards or in Temple Bar.

Crash

Personally i think its about time we, and our stereotype, grew up.

We have a very long memory it seems, but the past has gone by, and we should move on. grudges just fvck things up.

I have found the English to be really nice people, and one of the countries who are the nicest and most welcoming to Irish people.

What happened happened, and it is not the fault of the current generation, so harping on about it is just pathetic. I can say though, that any Englishman who makes light of our past and what this country went through for freedom is a dick, and in which case, deserves option 3.

Lump

I tend not to like the English all that much. However living in England I do tend to let them know how I feel. Or course I dont hate all people in England, just the idiots.



John

azezil

I don't hate anyone

daveirl

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Oeneus

Well I have no interest in sport so I ignore it.

Winters

I hate to say it but we are like the english. On my trip back from Spain there were 3 checkin desks. One for London, Dublin and Newcastle. If you were to look at the people you would think there all from England... (Execpt for the Irish Shirts)

If you look at any other country you know there krauts or somefin cos of the way they dress or act. The Irish (At the airport) acted like Tommies and i hate it. I hate to say were turning into brits. I hate/dislike them for that.....

daveirl

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mike65

Originally posted by Winters
I hate to say it but we are like the english...
...If you look at any other country you know there krauts or somefin cos of the way they dress or act. The Irish (At the airport) acted like Tommies and i hate it. I hate to say were turning into brits. I hate/dislike them for that.....

A curious comment , if its true its only because the Irish have a talent for absorbing whats around them, many Irish go off to the USA and come back a few years later sounding positivly American.

So if you don't like becoming someone else then don't!

I've been here since I was 9 but hav'nt become Irish except in the use of a few words and terms. Know wot I mean? Lovely!

Mike.

apiou

I have nothing against the English expecpt for the fact that they continue to integorate the Irish a

apiou

That went all wrong. Start again. The only problem that I have is each time I arrive in the UK. I have noticed that (with the exception of City Airport) when I am dressed for work I am not stopped but when I travel to the UK for pleasure they invariably stop me and ask me questions. This makes me mad. Must admit that each time or nearly each time I am coming from France. But Still.

Oeneus, sorry you had to leave the country. But if you had to leave Ireland then do not come to France because the French really hate the British (English included).

Pigman

Nah I like em. I don't buy into the whole Fenian crap. That is except for a few cockneys I know who go round saying 'Awite wan-kah? I hate dose fakkn frogs' etc to everyone they meet. But then again we have probably people in this country who are more annoying than than anything they have across the water.

hunkypex

Sometimes for fairly brief periods of time i feel incredably nationalistic like when i hear some old english fartola in ireland saying "all the irish b@stards stole all this of us british, they couldnt of built all this without us". We dont have a right to run our own country and why should we. Hearing that doesnt make me transfer that dislike too all english people.

Scotish and Welsh independance is "childish" and the same ignoramous couldnt understand why welsh and scots might want it. But all that doesnt reflect every or most english peoples view. Theres a difference between pointless block dislike of english people and reaction to disparaging talk, i think im entitled to feel angry when i hear talk like that above. But some revisionist irish cant make the distinction between the two, the irish should grow up?

Yes but so should the english and really its often about ingorance and/or arrogance.
John Pandit (Irish father, Indian Mother) of asian dub foundation turned down an MBE because he had difficulty with the Empire part of it. As he sees it both india and ireland suffered under empirialism. Should he grow up? Should a Welsh nationalist grow up?

Manach

I voted the middle option:
Todays English are, the vast majority, a pleasant people people who hold a similiar world view to the average inhabitant of this isle.

Histortically in relationship to Ireland, with few exceptions, the worst aspects of English personality has been unleased upon us.

It's a case of forgiven, but not forgotten.

Borzoi

Never met them as a race, have met a lot of individuals many of whoim were nice people. But that's true of everybody. Of course some of them were right ignorant cnuts. But on the whole, a pleasant bunch.

I did work in London years ago, though, and the Paddywhackery go a bit tedious.

I am now indifferent to them, though if they invade again that would change!

Oeneus

Really, no matter where you go, You're going to get nice people, and horrible people.

When I was in Ireland, I lived in Wicklow and occasionally went to Dublin as everyone does, and they're both probably the worst places in Ireland to be if you're avoiding the skanger community.

El Marco

I used to dislike the english but then I grew up and realised that the past is the past and that to hate some one because of race is just idiocy. Imho the Irish are no better than the worst of the English. The attitude of some people in my area is something to be ashamed of and its towards a wide range of races

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Winters
I hate to say were turning into brits. I hate/dislike them for that.....

thats your own problem for being a fúcking sheep.

Shinji

I hate tossers, whatever country they were born in. England has no more tossers per head of population than Ireland does. In fact, living here is nice - it has its downsides, and I certainly miss the craic and small community feel of living in Ireland, but in general people are polite and helpful to a fault - same as everywhere else in the world. Anyone who proclaims to "hate" a nation of people is obviously an eejit with no experience of what he's talking about.

Unless it's the French, of course.

elexes

Originally posted by Oeneus
. I left Ireland last month because of the racial abuse I got from people.

English Football Hooligans i have to agree with you, though. they drive me insane. But say when England get knocked out of the World Cup/Euro Cup, the English cheer for either Ireland or Scotland depending on who's still in. I asked a guy in a pub in Ireland when Ireland get knocked out would they cheer for England afterwards. He was like "**** no! Screw them!"

This is why I just felt uncomfortable in Ireland. I rarely socialised due to it. Mainly spent my time in doors browsing the boards or in Temple Bar.

sorry about the above . i dont hate the english ... most of my gf's being from there but at the ammouth of english 2 irish ppl that i have been with maby im thinking that im trying to breed you lot out

na seriously tis a pitty that you felt uncomfertable in ireland

Oeneus

Originally posted by Shinji
England has no more tossers per head of population than Ireland does.

You've never been to Wicklow have you?

Actually come to think of it, a lot of the tossers in Wicklow are the Catholics trying to rid the whole country of protestants...but again that's probably an issue all over Ireland. Thank God I wasn't baptised...the joys of being and Athiest. But then again I got sh1t for being in a protestant school.

It kind of starts with some scumbag coming up to me and saying "Are yew a Proddy, Eh?"

"No"

"Knnniiih, He's fawkin' English far Fawk Sayke! Whah a fawkin' gay accent!"

Oeneus

Oh, you might remember this. This is a Flash animation I did when I was 14. I think it's been posted up before. It's absolutely brutal but each of the scenes are true except for the badger bate'n which I made up.;)

But it gives a brief idea of what I had to deal with.
http://www.sleepygeek.org/stuff/scumbags.swf

daveirl

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SheroN

Seems to me Oeneus, you were an easy target for bullying. Being english only gave the bullies ammo. They could have just as easily bullied you over hair colour or some other trivial feature.

The Sweeper

Originally posted by Oeneus
You've never been to Wicklow have you?

Actually come to think of it, a lot of the tossers in Wicklow are the Catholics trying to rid the whole country of protestants...

???? Wicklow is guilty of many things, primarily being the host county for MMMray, but I'm lost as to why you'd pick it to demonstrate a point like that. I mean, after all, what's Meath for?

But anyway:

<deep breath> <RANT>

I have to say I think anyone who makes a declaration that they dislike any group of people on the basis of their country of origin has the depth of a puddle, the emotional maturity of a toddler and the intelligence of my left arse cheek.

Alleged hatred of an entire race is born from sheeplike acceptance of stereotypical information, and sweeping generalisations about any group of people are the prime source of racial abuse, xenophobia and discrimination.

If you've only ever met ten english people in your life and disliked all of them, at least have the sense to recognise what a tiny, insignificant percentage of a whole population that that number is.

And if you think you're within your rights to dislike whoever the hell you want to, especially if they're a racial minority in your country, then so be it, but I suggest you take a trip to somewhere where the people believe that all the Irish are alcoholic, stupid brawling Paddies, Micks and Redneck Ba$tards who beat up their wives, drink their wages, couldn't discriminate between their arses and their elbows and are trying to single-handedly overpopulate the planet by having as many children as they can squeeze out in their lifetimes while at the same time pathologically attending mass every Sunday and never eating meat on a Friday.

Because nothing will open your eyes like being an ethnic minority yourself.

</end rant> <exhale>

Ah, that feels better.

Oeneus

Don't get me wrong, Ireland is absolutely packed with nice people...but where I was living they were outnumbered.

I would read the local newspaper and it's like "Chinese Guy gets beaten up", "Man with mental illness gets kicked up arse". That's what it was like in Wicklow.

I might point out that my stepfather, who is Irish and is the whole reason for us moving to Ireland, is a skanger and is one of the bigger reasons why I left. Living in the same neighbourhood as skangers I could deal with...but the same house, Shove it up my arse!

Thanx 4 The Fish

I would read the local newspaper and it's like "Chinese Guy gets beaten up", "Man with mental illness gets kicked up arse". That's what it was like in Wicklow.

I lived in Wicklow for a good while and have delivered most of the local newspapers in the area at some time or another (a guys gotta live), and I have never seen any of those kinda headlines. A number of those papers have in fact won national awards for whatever local papers get awards for. I think your hatred (is that too strong a word) for all things Wicklow is shading your view somewhat.

Actually come to think of it, a lot of the tossers in Wicklow are the Catholics trying to rid the whole country of protestants....

My family lives in Wicklow, are Catholic and do not care whether English / protestants, whatever live in Ireland/England/Taiwan. Are they still tossers ??

Oeneus

Hey hey hey! I didn't say it was everyone. Plus, I'm generally talking about the younger generation...not your parents.

And the Wicklow People newspaper has won awards? Bloody hell!!

scuzzy

I voted no...:eek: but I'm not racist, I hate everyone with equal measure.

Winters

Originally posted by scuzzy
I'm not racist, I hate everyone with equal measure.

Thats the best way to get out of the visicous circle that is racism

Bard

I have an in-built distrust/dislike for the English people as a race. It's nothing personal against any particular English people - for I know plenty of very nice ones - it's just something that I'll freely admit to feeling (as I'm sure many Irish people would if they had the guts to) and something that is definitely ingrained into me through generations of hereditary emotions/genes.

I don't *hate* the English per se... I just dislike their race, dislike their culture and don't completely trust them as a people. That's just me being brutally honest... and not, I believe, a racist.

DapperGent

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels


???? Wicklow is guilty of many things, primarily being the host county for MMMray, but I'm lost as to why you'd pick it to demonstrate a point like that. I mean, after all, what's Meath for?

Now hold on a second I'm from Meath and I find that grossly unfa.... ah fvck it you're right.

Back on topic I've been over and back to England a good bit over the last while and I've seen plenty to dislike but not really anything that could be linked to race. There are plenty of assholes in every country and I hate them all but England certainly doesn't have a greater percentage than normal of them.

One thing that did get on my nerves was a trend among a lot of English people (even the smartest, best educated) to be quite ignorant of Ireland as a nation and of international affairs.

eg Do you have different money? Are you a different country? But you're English. {stare} Oh sorry I meant British.

The constant creation of an entirely new nation called Southern Ireland. Has anyone heard of this place? It's not in any of the atlasses.

And many other examples.

I mean that sort of stuff can infuriate but whats the point in getting mad? It's stupidity not malice.

LegacyUser

The following is an extract from an opinion piece written by a journalist with the Guardian on Wednesday, June 19, 2002. (sorry about the >>>>, I don't know how to remove them from emails)

The second piece is a published Letter to the Editor the following day.

The Guardian

Immediately after scoring a goal against Saudi Arabia, those giants of world football, Robbie Keane raced across the pitch and, directly in front of
the pitch-side camera, performed a mime of an archer firing an arrow. He
crouched
>> down, drew one hand back and then simulated letting go of the bowstring
and
>> went kerpppowwww! I don't know what you thought about that, if you saw
it. I
>> wanted to climb inside the television and smack him about the head. Or
maybe
>> respond with a real arrow. It was hugely irritating, the sort of smug,
dumb,
>> self-aggrandising thing you might expect one of the Big Brother cretins
to
>> perform, or possibly Lulu. It made me spit. Partly, I suppose, this is
>> because I was cheering for the Saudis, out of a respect for their
criminal
>> justice system. Given a choice between two right-of-centre agrarian
>> theocracies, I'll go with the more rigorous one, if that's OK. But I am
well
>> aware that I was almost entirely alone in not rooting for the Irish.
>> Everybody in the world adores them, it would seem - including the referee
in
>> their last game, who awarded them a total of seven penalties (from which
they
>> managed to score three times) and disallowed a whole bunch of Spanish
goals.
>> Perhaps he'd been mugged last year on holiday in Marbella or something.
But
>> more likely he was just in thrall to the Irish like everybody else.
>>
>> But who will the world cheer for now that the lovable leprechauns have
been
>> returned to their misty hills and treacherous bogs? Perhaps, like my
friend
>> and colleague John Humphrys, they will occupy themselves by cheering for
>> whomever England are playing, even if it's an al-Qaida Select XI, or
maybe
>> Germany. I hope so. England's victories get more and more enjoyable as
the
>> whining about "English triumphalism" grows within Great Britain.
>> =======================================================================
>>
>>
>>
Tthe reply to what the journalist in the Guardian Newspaper said about
the Irish:
>>
>> With regard to your comments on Robbie Keane's celebration & numerous
little
>> digs at Irish-ness in general, I feel you need a little reminding of some
>> facts that British people tend to forget for some strange reason.
>>
>> Firstly the Robbie Keane thing. Scoring a goal in the world cup is
something
>> a lot of us dream of, for Robbie Keane it must have been a dream for him
too.
>> I can understand his celebration, it was a sort of follow on from the
goal
>> against Germany when he drew two guns & started firing away only this
time
>> it's a different weapon. How this annoys you is confusing. What's the
story
>> with Beckham scoring & opening out his arms as if he's an aeroplane about
to
>> take off?? Maybe he's trying to tell us he's from cloud cuckoo land or
>> something; he'd be right. Saudi Arabia may not be any great sheiks "get
it?"
>> But what do you call Greece when you struggled to beat them & to be fair
you
>> mention the referee giving us a lot of dodgy decisions. If it weren't for
a
>> terrible decision to give you a free kick in the last minute against
Greece
>> you wouldn't have qualified. Short memories. I have to agree with you in
>> regard to the strange phenomenon that most people throughout the world
seem
>> to take to Irish people & admire a whole host of different things about
us.
>> Now let's ask ourselves why this is? * Is it anything to do with our
culture
>> of Music, Dance & the ability to have a decent conversation with a
complete
>> stranger? * Is it anything to do with the fact that after about seven
pints
>> we tend to be a little happier & start singing? * Is it anything to do
with
>> the age-old reputation of us been a friendly race? * Is it anything to do
>> with the fact that where-ever Irish people turned up in the world, we
have
>> blended in and had a lot to offer? For example in America it's generally
>> known that we built the entire infrastructure form the ground up. The
>> influence of the Irish in Argentina, Australia, Britain & Canada for
example
>> is shocking. The fact that your people & country are hated, & I don't
mean
>> this to be offensive but this is fact. This hatred is simply because all
of
>> the above I have mentioned in favor of my people is exactly the same
reasons
>> as to why you're not liked, but in reverse. I mean your people are so
diverse
>> due to the colonization of vast amounts of lands & cultures that you lack
>> your own cultural identity. The fact that after seven pints, there is a
>> tendency to smash some bodies face in. The Fact that you have an age-old
>> reputation that you are an oppressive race that took rather than
contribute
>> to any other nation in the past. So you wonder why we support anybody but
>> England? Not Wales or Scotland, only England.
>>
>> We're not perfect by any means and we're not all friendly, but I can tell
you
>> that the old laugh about the leprechauns and misty hills and the bogs are
>> starting to disappear. For a country like Ireland with a population of
about
>> four million & our own identity, add the fact that our people are loved
>> everywhere & that our economy is the fastest growing in Europe, is it any
>> surprise why we're admired? Go on, have a dig at us ? sure we've taken a
lot
>> worse than that from you lot before & came out stronger for it. At this
stage
>> it's like water off a Duck's back.
>>
>> The worst bit about it is that it's eating you up in side & there's
nothing
>> you lot can do about it anymore!!! Mind yourself & answer me this simple
>> question. You own the English language, but why do the London folk
pronounce
>> such words like THINK as FINK? Where on Earth did you get the F? Like all
>> things that originate from England, English people are crap at them. Is
mise
>> le meas "Irish" John McGuinness ps: in your bit about the referee been
mugged
>> in Marbella, well what's the chances that an English lout might have done
it?
>>
>>

DapperGent

I'm finding it hard to decide which of them is the bigger asshole.

stevoslice

I think, with the way things have gone over the last 20 years, the blurring of borders and that, that it's no harm if we want the English soccer team to lose.

I would consider myself Republican, but that doesn't stop me havin english friends, Didn't half my father's family go off to England for work and marry over there, (by the way, 1/2 of my father's family is 8).

If the irish cheer on whoever the english are playin, its only natural seein as the anger thats felt over here for what happened in the past, and nowadays its the only way the irish people can express that emotion.

I also think it's a disgrace that people look at you in horror if they see a Tricolor hanging on the wall of your room or any inclination of Patriotism, and the only time people get to do it now without very strange looks is at soccer matches, be it Ireland, Celtic, Liverpool, or Man Yoo.

Sayin that though, if they give us our 6 counties back now , We might actually cheer for em in the European Championships.

mike65

Originally posted by thebhoy
if they give us our 6 counties back now , We might actually cheer for em in the European Championships.

By that logic you'll be cheering Germany then, for not invading
in 1939...you could cheer the Brits for saving your arse at about the same time after all in 1940 you could have been toast...

Mike.

Oeneus

Well, the members of the fvcking football team didn't take your fecking counties from you did they, so why do they deserve your disrespect?

Plus, if you had your 6 counties what good is it for you personally. What the hell do you have in it?

While Britain currently owns them, it has made no fvcking difference to me personally so I honestly couldn't give a fvck who they belong to. It's not my problem. And it's not yours.

English government = a few hundred people
English population = a good few million

Government fvck something up
The whole population gets abuse.

Government and people are two completely seperate things. God I hate politics.

stevoslice

Fair enough, the English didn't take the counties,

and i say fair play to you for being a bigger man than i am, but if people can vent their anger, in a healthy fashion by cheering for, Sweden, Argentina, Nigeria, Denmark and Brasil at conveniently timed times. then let em do it. at least we won't go ape sh*t like the russians did when they lost to the Japs, or try and tear the whole place down as a lot of international 'supporters' try and do.

It's not my problem. And it's not yours.

ANd why isn't it, if there's a civil war going on in a country then by Christ its everybodys problem.
I know there's a ceasefire now, but how long will that last when the provo's finally realise that their the only ones giving up arms, and the Loyalist paramilitarys have a free shot at everyone they want. and if you read my post properly you'll see i don't have the slighest problem with english people, other than that they might start to annoy you after a few jars.

By that logic you'll be cheering Germany then, for not invading
in 1939...you could cheer the Brits for saving your arse at about the same time after all in 1940 you could have been toast...

Don't forget twas the brits that covered our asses last year too in the month after september 11th.
and I was already cheering for germany, although that was in the semi final of euro 96.


Anywho thats my opinion on matters, don't know if it makes much sense though!!!

darthmise

And why isn't it, if there's a civil war going on in a country then by Christ its everybodys problem.

But its not a civil war. It isn't even a fight for the 6 six counties anymore, it's drug related crime now, under the banner of patriotism.

Forget your six counties, forget hating people you haven't met.


Fair enough in the footie there is a rivalry between the two countries, though its not right that its based on religion and politics.
I cheer england on when they play, though if there one team i would like ireland to put one over its England.

Though i hate the crossover between footie and religion or footie and politics. What Bard says is true, we are all ingrained with a distrust for the english (99% of us), but when you get older you should be able to distinguish for yourself between who you dislike and you you've been taught to dislike.

stevoslice

forget your six counties

In a twist to an overused word in Ulster Politics: -

NEVER!!!

Thanx 4 The Fish

quote:
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forget your six counties
_______________________________________

In a twist to an overused word in Ulster Politics: -

NEVER!!!

Damn straight....

Ireland unfree will never be at Peace.

RopeDrink

Look - Every single country at some point in time has had differences with eachother, and still will in the future...

Im English and 20 years of age, and anyone who can come up to me and say something along the lines of "I hate you, you English ****" is a rather pathetic individual (It's happened a lot before).

It's not like I've done anything to Ireland or it's people (Other than grace Boards.ie with my rather boring rants). Was I involved in previous disputes between the two countries in the past? Well, at the age of 20 I doubt it...

I find that both sides of the water have grown accustomed to eachothers company a lot better over recent years, and this is a good thing. There is not much difference between England and Ireland.

leeroybrown

I personally don't have any problem with the English in general. In the same kind of way that I don't have a problem with Irish people in general.

Then again I was never that interested in History, so that explains a lot!

TacT

I get along just fine with our neighbours over the water, but there shall be a big for shinji and him having the same stupid attitude some people have for the english towards the French thus bringing me to the conclusion he called himself an idiot because he stated that you

hate tossers, whatever country they were born in. England has no more tossers per head of population than Ireland does.

Then proceed to say "Unless it's the French" :rolleyes:

Have you extensively travelled about France or lived there at some stage in your life to come to this conclusion or are you just being a twat?

My mother is from France and I spent 1-3 months every year till the age of 17 over there each summer and am now 23 and still visit on a regular basis as do my friends and family from France visit here.

I know a lot of lovely french people who I am close with in terms of Family and Friends, your comment was exactly what this topic didn't need and was childish at best Shinji. It was also to an extent hurtful as I have french blood flowing through my veins I'll have you know!

You would also wonder why so many French towns are twinned with a great deal of Irish ones on the west of both coasts and thousands of people all gather in their cars with their families to jump on the ferry and spend time in France/Ireland every year.........

ramble RAMBLE RAMBLE! :someonegivemeadisgustedsmiley:

][cEMAN**

Originally posted by Shinji
Anyone who proclaims to "hate" a nation of people is obviously an eejit with no experience of what he's talking about.

Unless it's the French, of course.

It's idiot btw....and you just proclaimed yourself to be one

Turner

I have absolutely no problem with the english.

Its the northern ireland people i hate. They keep on going on about how opressed they are and how people from the south dont care about what goes on up the north.

Too fúcking right we dont care, build a wall around northern ireland & nuke the cúnts. Let them fight amongst themselves, thrown pipe bombs at school kids, spend night after night on the streets hurling missiles at police. Thats not the way i want to live my life, so you dont find me on the streets blocking school kids or attacking my neighbours or ruining the neighbourhood i live in.

It would be no loss at all. As far as im concered they can keep the 6 counties and the northern gob****es cause i certainly dont want them.

[edit] I must point out that my views are based only on my experiences working as security in Donegal around the trouble times (july 11th or 12th and st paddys day [edit]

ohh and shinji
After spending a week in paris i fell in love with the french. So easy going and laid back. The women are kinda classy too.

Mercury_Tilt

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