Harte!!!!!!!! Muppet

Giblet

Why o why did they let him play never mind take the peno, my god he has ruined it for us now.

The_Bullman

one of the worst pennos that i have seen in ages. It was the right height, pace, and position for the keeper to save it

Tellox

I HATE YOU IAN HARTE!!! I WILL NEVER BLOODY FORGIVE YOU!!

Giblet

He was tryna do a "beckham" by hitting it straight at him, the Spanish must be laughing at us now.

suppafly

Ian Harte is the biggest waster ever!! I dunno why he was even put in the starting eleven, actually why was he even allowed to come to the world cup, he is the worst player ever!!!

havok*

Ian Harte is a great player, he has had a disaster of a world cup mainly due to a toe injury for which he has to take pain killer injections b4 every match.

Besides the missed penalty i thought he played exelent over all. As did Duff and breen.

OLDYELLAR

i wont even bother going on about that sickening excuse for a penaly but jesus christ did you see Kilbane missing the rebound off the penalty . He had a bloody open goal and no1 around him and the goaly didnt know where the ball was and he made a complete hash out of it , it was almost like missing two penaltys in one ,I am actually going to leave this forum until tomorrow because I am well sickened and talking about it seems to make it worse .

ondafly

Harte was rubbish, and has been for all the games we played in the world cup. If he had an injury he shouldn't have started, simple. But its all done now, shame.......4 penos missed in a game, surely thats a record.

Littletinyman

Typical knee-jerk footie supporter reaction...

ondafly

knee jerk ? what do you expect. Anyways, I'm chuffed they got this far, and I'll be out in the Park , welcoming them home, as will i'm sure, alot of people, They did us proud.

Shad0r

Typical knee-jerk footie supporter reaction...

I think "Typical knee-jerk m0ng footie supporter reaction..." would be more accurate Par.

Yes Harte fvcked up and now we're gone but he is no more responsible for it than any of the players that missed their penno's.

He has had a terrible tournament but dont forget no one felt worse about him missing that shot than he did himself.

donaloconnor

Can u imagine whats going through Harte's head now. Lets just shut up now, and remember how well they all played. We won the game, spain just got through with crappy penaltys. Today was a game that we should be proud of, because i'm very proud of them!

krankykitty

id say the poor ****er is in bits now. They shouldnt have played him today after the last 3 matches, imo.
it looked like his confidence was going down since the first match, also was a mistake to let him take the penno.

i so wish we could be through now, a sickener for "you know who"
anyway its all over now and we will be cheering in the park just as loudly for Harte as we will for the other heros

they did us proud

WhiteWashMan

i cant wait to type in a few nasty comments about you people next time you make a mistake on the worlds largest footballing stage.

oh hold on, thats not going to happen is it?

NeRb666

Give him a break. I doubt he's having an enjoyable night tonight.

I believe he should have been dropped for the Saudi match, but it's not like we have many options in his position at the moment.

Pigman

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
i cant wait to type in a few nasty comments about you people next time you make a mistake on the worlds largest footballing stage.

oh hold on, thats not going to happen is it?

Good call!

FACT : Ian Harte only missed 3 minutes playing time in all 12 qualifying matches (highest participation) and he was also joint top scorer for us in the qualifiers (along with you know who.) As such he had as much right to be in that starting eleven as anyone one on the pitch and just because he hasn’t performed in this world cup doesn’t mean we should just cast him aside.

I saw in the paper today that Liam Brady wanted to put KILBANE at left-back instead of Harte. Kilbane! No I am not kidding. This is the ‘manager’ who guided Celtic through one of their worst spells ever and then ended his ‘career’ at glamourous Brighton & Hove Albion!

This is the level to which the Harte witch-hunt has got to in this country and I for one am sick of it. Sure we can all sit here moaning about Ian but the fact of the matter is that apart from a few poor performances in this tournament he has served his country well over 40 times in the past 6 years. I just hope he remembers that and doesn’t let these four games eat him up the way he seemed to be during that penalty kick.

Here’s something else for you all to think about. The same public opinions were being thrown at Staunton after his bad showing USA 94 and if that public frenzy had been satisfied we’d have been facing into this tournament without TWO great captains instead of just one.

My opinion is that we should just get over it and move on. Every Ireland team has had its scapegoat. Chris Morris in 90. Staunton in 94 and now Harte today. So keep Harte around as he will bounce back and do the business for Ireland again. I have no doubt.

Finally, come September we will be beginning a new adventure to Portugal without the likes of Staunton, Quinn and Keane and we’ll need players like Harte because unlike the English (for example) who can shoot down their players for the smallest reason and have five more waiting in the wings, we don’t have that luxury.

Pigman

Originally posted by ondafly
Harte was rubbish, and has been for all the games we played in the world cup. If he had an injury he shouldn't have started, simple. But its all done now, shame.......4 penos missed in a game, surely thats a record.

I don't think so? I seem to remember Holland missing 5 against Italy in Euro 2000. 2 in the match and 3 in the shootout.

Trev

Being an Englishman, I've heard all this before. You know the player I'm talking about I'm sure and I said the same things back then.

Ian Harte didn't exactly set the World Cup on fire this summer and he did miss the penalty, but to say you will never forgive him is about the stupidest thing you can do. You'll laugh at yourself in 4 years time. In my experience, Harte is a fabulous player but it hasn't been his summer.

I'm sorry Ireland are out, you deserved much better than to go out in a penalty shoot out. I really had the belief that Ireland could beat Spain, and they didn't exactly prove me wrong. Good luck in 4 years time.

Maybe you can all channel your support towards England now, I don't blame you if you tell me to **** off though .

mike65

Ian Harte missed but at least he did'nt take a dive like Duff did to win that penalty, justice was done. but on-one wants to hear that right now do they?

While I think Ireland deserved better they should have had the game wrapped up before spot-kicks were required. That said the Spanish should have had the game won within 30 mins but they did'nt, then showed they have no character. They won't go any further.

Mike.

mike65

Originally posted by Trev
Maybe you can all channel your support towards England now, I don't blame you if you tell me to **** off though .

Trev from one Engerlander to another- don't hold your breath mate!

Mike.

KdjaCL

Im not even going to lower myself to scapegoat and player bash
Im proud as i said in another post.
But an Argentinian missed 4 penos in the ONE match.
His name escapes not but he plays in Spain and was considered one of their best young players until that happened 4 in one match and it didnt go to penos he missed them all in the 90 minutes.
damn cant think of his name.
kdja

irishgeo

Originally posted by ondafly
[B}4 penos missed in a game, surely thats a record. [/B]

Ireland only missed 1 peno as 90 mins is all that counts maybe extra time i am not sure.Missing penos in the shoot out deos not countin the match count.

The match was a draw. All penos deos is sort out who goes through.

When Italy- Brazil drew in USA. George Hamiliton said beofre the penalty shoot-out a draw now to sort who takes home the trophy.

MindPhuck

Winging muppets.

Get over it.

SantaHoe

Great match though, so close... nailbiting stuff.
I sort of expected Ireland to choke on peno's though

Monkey

Harte is a **** player. He is a defender who can't defend. The only thing he can do is score the occasional freekick.

bugler

As from the other thread on this subject, started before the Saudi game.

Posted by me:

He had a truly pathetic tournament. How someone in that form ended up starting four games in a world cup is above and beyond me. Despite proving in each and every game(overall he didn't do too badly in this game) that he can't really defend, he somehow managed to keep his place. Mind you given some of the views on this thread it can't be too surprising. Yet again, he was found wanting for the Spaniards goal. He should never have been allowed near the penalty, a man in rubbish form and with low confidence does not make a good penalty taker. In hindsight he should have been left at home, even the one thing you thought you could count on him to deliver on (his set pieces) were poor. Pity that hindsight is irrelevant.

He was awful in this world cup. No point dancing around the subject. He was shít. Today, ironically, was probably his best game in the tournament, but then he was in a dodgy position for the goal scored. Other than that, aside from the penalty of course, he did well. I don't think it's right to brand him or anyone else a muppet, and certainly not to say he shouldn't be forgiven. He didn't want to play crap. He didn't want to miss the penalty. He tried out there, he failed out there. It's a harsh situation. I'll tell you what else isn't right though, its the selection of people on this thread who are merely trying to cover their arses because of what they said on the other thread, backing his starting. Face it kids, Harte played badly overall, was at least partly culpable for the goal today, and the one thing people said he could do, he messed up on. He shouldn't have been picked, because he wasn't playing well enough.

A few more points.

Brady's idea to pick Kilbane wasn't so wild. He's strong defensively and a bit limited offensively. Wouldn't have been ideal either mind, but then patching up never is. And, if I might borrow WWmans logic for a moment, how did you do as Celtic manager, Pigman?

As for his previous great record for ireland, I'd be a dissenting voice if the consensus is that he's been outstanding all through. He has done well, and coming into the world cup I would probably have been reasonably well disposed toward him, but he soon rubbished that. By using similar logic, I could say that Johnny Giles served Ireland brilliantly, and so should be brought back into the side now. The moral is, things change. And people who were once something or capable of something can change, either temporarily or permanently. International players should not live off their past deeds.

I don't know what the decision making process was for the penalty, but my gut reaction was that his confidence would be down, he wasn't in great form and Keane should have hit it. That said, if the keeper moved the other way and it went in, we'd be admiring his nerve. Things just weren't going to go Harte's way. On the subject of injury, if you can't play to a good level, then you don't put on a jersey. As true for non-league as for world cup. And lol at the feel-good touchy feely posts

Hairy Homer

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
i cant wait to type in a few nasty comments about you people next time you make a mistake on the worlds largest footballing stage.

oh hold on, thats not going to happen is it?

Must be awful being WRONG eh Whitewash Man?

What was all that ballox about Harte's dead ball skills? First free kick of the evening - straight to a Spanish defender 10 yards away from him, and for a supposed specialist that penalty kick was dreadful. Something me mammy could have done better with her high heels on.

In keeping with the Japanese theme of the occasion, would you consider committing hari kiri in shame? Or even better, let me do it for you. You name the place; I'll bring along the cattle bolt. :-)

Nothing personal against Harte. He's out of form and his confidence was shot to pieces. Shouldn't have been on the pitch. That's not his fault. It's McCarthy's. He was right to take a firm line on Keane but his cranky 'It's mah bludy team and Ah'll pick all t'players Ah want' let him down here.

Still. They did us proud, and I hope to be along to welcome them home. Once it's been decided whether it's the streets or the park.

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Hairy Homer


Must be awful being WRONG eh Whitewash Man?

sorry?
i am wrong?
where am i wrong?

Originally posted by Hairy Homer

What was all that ballox about Harte's dead ball skills? First free kick of the evening - straight to a Spanish defender 10 yards away from him, and for a supposed specialist that penalty kick was dreadful. Something me mammy could have done better with her high heels on.

let me see, beckham, possibly best crosser of ball in the world. didnt see him do much in first 2 games of world cup. and the penelty he scored wasnt too dissimilar to hartes.
my point?
well, all players have of days and his overall ability for club and country has been outstanding.

Originally posted by Hairy Homer


In keeping with the Japanese theme of the occasion, would you consider committing hari kiri in shame? Or even better, let me do it for you. You name the place; I'll bring along the cattle bolt. :-)

hari kiri is proformed with a ceremonial sword, not a cattle prod.
i dont think cattle prods were invented in that era.....
oh, and just for geographical accurasy, hari kiri is a japanese tradition. not generally associated with korea, which is where ireland played their match yesterday.

Originally posted by Hairy Homer

Nothing personal against Harte. He's out of form and his confidence was shot to pieces. Shouldn't have been on the pitch. That's not his fault. It's McCarthy's. He was right to take a firm line on Keane but his cranky 'It's mah bludy team and Ah'll pick all t'players Ah want' let him down here.

swings and roundabouts......

Originally posted by Hairy Homer


Still. They did us proud, and I hope to be along to welcome them home. Once it's been decided whether it's the streets or the park.

well, thats good of you.
nice to see you can still support the team even though they dashed all your dreams etc.
how could they have....

Trojan

Originally posted by Hairy Homer
Nothing personal against Harte. He's out of form and his confidence was shot to pieces. Shouldn't have been on the pitch. That's not his fault. It's McCarthy's

Agreed. Players have bad days, weeks and months. Harte did so. His manager should have recognised that.

Micks been a half decent manager, perhaps he can learn from his many mistakes and take us further in the next 2 competitions, but he needs to lose a lot of pride and "my way or the highway" attitude. Bring back Keane etc.

Al.

I won 2 scottish league titles and one cup in my stint as Celtic manager.

Bard

Originally posted by havok*
Ian Harte is a great player, he has had a disaster of a world cup mainly due to a toe injury for which he has to take pain killer injections b4 every match.

Besides the missed penalty i thought he played exelent over all. As did Duff and breen.

Well said havok*! The amount of people who suddenly hate and berate this excellent player is utterly pathetic. Some 'fans' they are!

Well done Ian Harte;- Well done Ireland!

suppafly

Originally posted by havok*
Ian Harte is a great player, he has had a disaster of a world cup mainly due to a toe injury for which he has to take pain killer injections b4 every match.

Besides the missed penalty i thought he played exelent over all. As did Duff and breen.

I dunno how u can say he is a brilliant player. he is crap! he played crap in all of our WC games. He is the reason that we were scored on. All of the goals were his fault, cuz he never takes up his position and gives up way to easy!! In the Cameroon match he just let the fella get passr him and then just stood there, making staunton having to leave his man and to come out and take on th Hartes man, and then the cameroon fella scored cuz he was free. In The germany match, u can see staunton puts out his hand pointing to harte and the germany attacker saying take that guy, Harte didn't pick him until late and then didn't even get goal side and so he scored. In the Spainish match he didn't come out to mark the fella throwing the ball and left Kilbane there to take both of the fellas, and then he crosses in and they scored. And then I dunno why he was left take the peno. U never let and out of form, no confidence player take a peno!! OK So maybe he might be a brilliant player for leeds, or something but he played crap for ireland and I can understand why McCarthy kept starting him! Actually i do, cuz McCarthy is a crappy manager!

Bateman

Harte's penalty was bad, but he is usually reliable from the spot. It all comes down to the fact that we obviously didn't practice penalties enough.
Kilbane's rebound was spinning wickedly, but he could have connected better. Given that we made penos, I would have more of a grumble with the selection. Something dodgy was going on, Duff was on form, and should have been a model to take one. Instead, Connolly takes one. Disgraceful.

Dustaz

Given that we made penos, I would have more of a grumble with the selection. Something dodgy was going on, Duff was on form, and should have been a model to take one. Instead, Connolly takes one. Disgraceful.

Its a disgrace!!!! A STRIKER had the AUDACITY to take a penalty!!! jesus, youd think it was his job to try and score.

Bateman, you dont tell players to take penalties, they MUST volunteer to take them. I totally agree with the 'who wants it' style of choosing the penalty takers. Its suprising that duff didnt step up allright, i would have thought he would be well up for it.


As for suppafly, I look forward to seeing him keeping spanish wingers at bay while managing an irish team to the final any day now.

suppafly

Originally posted by Bateman
Harte's penalty was bad, but he is usually reliable from the spot. It all comes down to the fact that we obviously didn't practice penalties enough.

Sure i think they didn't even practice penos. Mick McCarthy say it was a waste of time or something to that affect. What a plonker. But well done to the Lads, they did us proud!

Dustaz

The 1994 Italian side had plenty of practise with penalties. In fact, the best player in the world at the time took thier final penalty. Surely Roberto Baggio couldnt miss from the spot?

When will people realise that it doesnt bloody matter how much you practise penalties or how little. every footballer has taken one at one time or another. very very very VERY few have taken one under the intense pressure of a penalty shootout. Go and take one in those circumstances and then complain.