Neil back aka f** cheater

suppafly

Neil Back hit the ball out of stringers hands before he hand put the ball in. This all leicster r is a pack of f** cheaters Neil back jsust there in that scrum and the dirty f** Martin Johnson. That was a definete chance for Munster to win there, cuz I'm sure they would have got in for a try from that scrum!
(please excuse the cursing)

daveirl

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the fnj

Stop talking through your arse.

Neil Back took a big risk and it paid off, he was breaking the rules but don't forget that Munster are renowned for there tough play. It's cheating when a player stamps on another players head lets not forget. Had the touch judge spotted it, it could have easily been a penalty try to Munster.

Remember Keith Woods’s try against England Wallace (or maybe it was Miller) blatantly held Neil Back, back so he could not get across to try and make a tackle.

Bottom line is Munster played badly for most of the game. They did come alive at the end, but missing two kickable kicks and throwing dodgy line out balls all game will cost you a big game like that.

Well done to Munster they did really well this year. Unfortunately things did not go right on the day for them. Don't be so immature and unsporting to blame the whole game on Neil Back's cheating
.

Lei Xiejiang

Right on! He was a F*$king cheat!

I thought we use Instant Video Replay in Rugby?

Lei Xiejiang

The FANJ are you from London?

the fnj

Originally posted by Lei Xiejiang

I thought we use Instant Video Replay in Rugby?

Luckily we only use it when the ref is not sure about something or the touch judge thinks he so something. Unfortunately neither did.

The reason I say luckily is could you imagine how bad the game would be if every time a player had a compliant he could stop the game and make the ref play it back.

I'm from Dublin by the way

suppafly

Originally posted by daveirl
yeah it was disgusting but worse was that the BBC in studio team said basically that it was alright to cheat because they won.

The comments in the study were really bad!! His final comment was "u have to hand it to Neil back"!! For what, for cheating. He is basically saying that cheating is fine!!

That was a try as well. The ball was touched down before the Munster player was in touch.

Yeah it was definetly a try! Austin healys was the only one in touch! Johnno had touched it down before any of his body had touched the ground.

finally munster really need to work on their line out. They lsot 8 of their own line outs!! they really need to work on that, cuz if u can't get your own ball from the line out u have no platform to go from!

the fnj

It was not a try he clearly hit the corner flag on his way over.

Hitting off the flag is out.

Get over it Munster did not deserve to win today. You can pull up all the scape goats you want but it won't change anything.

suppafly

Originally posted by The FANJ
Stop talking through your arse.
Neil Back took a big risk and it paid off, he was breaking the rules but don't forget that Munster are renowned for there tough play. It's cheating when a player stamps on another players head lets not forget. Had the touch judge spotted it, it could have easily been a penalty try to Munster.

So your opinion is just cheat, u'll get away with. Well thats very sporting of u *sarcasm*. Stamping on someones head isn't cheating!! what r u on like!! It is really bad and dirty play that is not tolerated in rugby, but its not cheating, its just someone loosin the head! It doesn't giev u any advantage cuz your just going to get send off and banned. u cheat to gain an advantage!

Remember Keith Woods’s try against England Wallace (or maybe it was Miller) blatantly held Neil Back, back so he could not get across to try and make a tackle.

What r u on about here!! R english or something???

Bottom line is Munster played badly for most of the game. They did come alive at the end, but missing two kickable kicks and throwing dodgy line out balls all game will cost you a big game like that.

I agree with u here completely! They need to fix the line out badly!

Don't be so immature and unsporting to blame the whole game on Neil Back's cheating

I'm not blaming the whole game on him, where r u getting that from? Alright munster didn't play the best but this was there chance to fix it. if he hadn't don't that munster would have most likely been in for a try. I mean they had a try disallowed already in the match. I mean the ref was even in the wrong side of the scrum too. he should have been on other side cuz thats where all the problems were in all the scrums with Garforth not binding properly.

It was not a try he clearly hit the corner flag on his way over.
Hitting off the flag is out.

ah no, u can clearly see that Healy hit the falg on the way, if u had your eys open u would have seen it! they replayed it enough!

the fnj

Cheating

To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

Stamping on some ones head is breaking the rules. Knocking the ball out of the scrum half's hands at the put in is also breaking the rules. How you can defend the claw when for stamping but yet give out about Neil Back, it is ridiculous.

The reason I made the point about Neil Back being held was because no one here was online minutes later calling the Irish pack a bunch on cheaters.

This sort of thing happens in rugby all the time, I’ve been playing the game for years and years and when something like that happens to your team it’s heartbreaking but I’ve been on teams and a player has gotten away with something similar. I’ve seen flankers scoop the ball back with their hands in scrums more times then I’ve have hot dinners. Every player in the game will try and slow down the opposition ruck ball when under pressure that is cheating too.

Once again I’m Irish. I was born here have lived here all my life and have also played rugby here all my life and will continue to do so. I’m very proud to be Irish but I don’t see the point in calling Neil Back infantile names because he broke the rules at a crucial stage of the game for Munster. As I said he took a huge risk and was liable to have given away a penalty try for doing it.

I’ll put this question to you and answer me honestly.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and Wallace had done something similar at the end of the game would we be calling Wallace a cheating f**ker? I doubt it very much.

suppafly

Originally posted by The FANJ
Stamping on some ones head is breaking the rules. Knocking the ball out of the scrum half's hands at the put in is also breaking the rules. How you can defend the claw when for stamping but yet give out about Neil Back, it is ridiculous.

I wasn't defending the claw. I think what he did was apalling and very dangerous. i was using it as an example to show u the difference between the 2 offences.

This sort of thing happens in rugby all the time, I’ve been playing the game for years and years and when something like that happens to your team it’s heartbreaking but I’ve been on teams and a player has gotten away with something similar. I’ve seen flankers scoop the ball back with their hands in scrums more times then I’ve have hot dinners. Every player in the game will try and slow down the opposition ruck ball when under pressure that is cheating too.

I'm sure it has happened to u loads of times. But u don't play professional rugby and it doesn't happen in pro rugby all the time. If it does the offender is normally penalised. It was completely pre-meditated by Back. he saw the ref ref was on the wrong side, and that they were in the middle of the pitch.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and Wallace had done something similar at the end of the game would we be calling Wallace a cheating f**ker? I doubt it very much.

i don't think that Wallace would do something like that

Anyway i can see that we r not going to agree on this and it is going to go on for ages so can we agree to disagree and lets hear some other people views on it. thanks

the fnj

Originally posted by suppafly


I'm sure it has happened to u loads of times. But u don't play professional rugby and it doesn't happen in pro rugby all the time.

For a start how do you know what level I play at?

Your right I'm not pro but I know of one player my age who is a pro in Leinster. I'm playing at nearly the highest level available to players at under twenty level.

I play in similar match conditions to the pro's regularly with two branch referee's appointed to most of my sides games.

Also my father played and captained Leinster for many seasons and was also involved in the Irish set up. I've been attending games of the highest standard in this country and internationally and it's not uncommon for a back row player to play the ball back in a scrum with his hand. So I think I am a good authority on what goes on in the pro game.

For the record I'm also a qualified branch referee just thought I'd ad that to my CV. So don't try and tell me that I don't know what goes on in the game.

You've failed to answer my question about Wallace you just decided to try and avoid it.

suppafly

As i said i know we're not going to come to an agreement so can we please just agree to disagree so we can here other peoples views! thanks

mike65

While Back cheated it would'nt have made any difference to the result, 3 points for a penalty was still 4 points to few to win or
3 too few to force extra-time. They were already in added-time when the incident occured.

Munster were pretty poor, also was I the only one to miss the weather?, thats half the fun in rugby, as you try to out guess the wind and the ball slips 'cos its wet at the crucial moment!

Mike.

plastic membrane

Whether stuff like that happens all the time or not, it was an absolute kick in the face to watch Leicester get away with it. Munster unlucky again, though they played poorly it has to be said.

The sad thing is The Claw and Mick Galwey will never get that European Cup medal now..

damnyanks

I play rugby as well and its this simple. If I high tackle someone most of the time its going to be a accident, if I stamp on someone it will be another accident. I know I will still be punished and would have no problems with it.

Neil Back didnt accidently swipe the ball back into his own side. I think not only Back but Leicster should be punished. Like their coach said Munster cheated as well he is talking utter rubbish, up until that point both teams broke the rules but didnt blatently set out to cheat =/

P.s I played against Stringers cousin he is a midget as well

castie

Originally posted by mike65
While Back cheated it would'nt have made any difference to the result, 3 points for a penalty was still 4 points to few to win or
3 too few to force extra-time. They were already in added-time when the incident occured.

Mike.

no an offense like that so close to the line and the number of previous infringements would have meant a penaltry being 5 points and the conversion being right underneath the posts 2 meaning munster would have won by a point :mad:

hes a cheat and thats all that can be said.

I hope the next time he plays against munster or even ireland that revenge is taken and i dont care what damage it does to him.

Kim Tae-Woo

I'm No Cheat, Insists Back

Neil Back has defended his illegal hand-in-the-scrum manoeuvre that ensured European kings Leicester made Heineken Cup history, and claimed:



"I did what I felt was necessary," he said. "It was a risk, but I weighed it up and fortunately, it went our way.

"I used all my experience of club and international rugby to ensure that we won the game. ..."

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/020526/203/czq9w.html

the fnj

Originally posted by damnyanks
if I stamp on someone it will be another accident.

That's bull.

If you stamp on someone it's 99% of the time no accident.

There is a difference between stepping on someone, raking someone and stamping on someone. It can be a fine line but no one ever stamps by accident.

As I've said already back rows around the world illegally try and slow ruck ball down when there team in under pressure but we are not here calling the all cheaters.

I wish people would stop trying to blame Neil Back for Munster losing.

Kim Tae-Woo

I mean how often do we have to hear about the Brits moaning about the dastardly Soccer loss to Argentina and Maradona's "Hand of God".

Ever friggin year we hear this crap.

Munster were robbed of a penalty, even with the use of video.

Neil Back is a cheat!
The Fanj is English!

Pigman

Hey Fanj! Thanks for being one of the few unbiased people to appear on these boards! I wouldn't claim to be an expert in rugby or whatever, but in general sporting terms if a player cheats then its up to the officiaries (sp?) to spot it. Otherwise they're not doing their job and they're the ones you should go blame them if you've got a problem with someone!

Also thanks for pointing out that none of these whining fuc.king maggots ever come on here moaning about "being sporting" when their OWN heroes cheat in matches. Be prepared to defend your own teams cheating before you go bitching about the opposition purely because you lost a match and want to blame it on something other than the fact of being outplayed.

By the way to the guy who brought up the Maradona "hand of god" incident it's been widely publicised that while the players on the England team that day were annoyed by the incident all were of the opinion that if Gary Lineker (or whoever) had done the exact same thing that they would have had no complaints and went as far to "almost praise" Maradona for doing whatever it took to win the match.

One more thing, before I get lazy brainless taunts questioning my nationality from retards who would choose to do so .... no, I am not English. I'm just one of the few people born out of this country who seem to realise that whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

mike65

Originally posted by Pigman
Hey Fanj! Thanks for being one of the few unbiased people to appear on these boards!

What the hell is he doing here then?!

All sports have thier cheats even golfers do it occasionally but they almost never get caught due to the nature of the game.

Everyone should remember The Claws delicate footwork in an international several years ago (Olivier Roumat being the unlucky
victim).

Mike.

Shad0r

Originally posted by Kim Tae-Woo


Neil Back is a cheat!
The Fanj is English!

Yes Neil Back is a cheat. While my first instinct would be to blame the loss of the match on him unfortunatly what Fanj has said is true. If Munster had played the entire match the way they played the last half hour they would have won imho.

[Edit] I watched the match in a pub in Cork that was suprisingly enough filled with Cork people willing Munster on. Make no mistake I wanted Munster to win [/Edit]

No The Fanj is not English. He's Irish as he's said many times.

Kim Tae-Woo your the kind of m0ng that these boards could do without.

sleepwalker

if you dont mind me asking what club do you play for FANJ ?

the fnj

St. Mary's

Case

I'm with FANJ on this one too.

The better team won on the day but yet again we have to listen to Munsters whinging instead of being gracious in defeat.

I watched the game on Sat with two inter pro players and although they both said it was harsh what Back did, they said it is not as uncommon as some people think, both could recall several times when it happened to their teams.

And once again before anyone asks I am Irish, but I am a Leinster fan which doesn't mean I didn't want to see Munster win.

Andywil

TBH haven't even read most of this thread.

Feck it, Leicster victors...whatcha gona do.

My beef is with Neil Back. Within minutes of the victory he was quoted as saying 'I did what i had to do' and 'Sometimes you have to sieze on an opportunity'. He has admitted to cheating, and is not remorseful. He has brought the game into disrepute. I'm not really a rugby man, wasn't really upset at all tbh, but it wudve been gr8 to see them win it.

Still, back shud be disciplined.

A

PS - Shad0r, Kim Tae-Woo was playing alongside Dong-Gook in fifa the other nite? No?

Andywil

'I watched the game on Sat with two inter pro players and although they both said it was harsh what Back did, they said it is not as uncommon as some people think, both could recall several times when it happened to their teams.'

That don't make it right, and if a fuss and moan isn't made of it, then it becomes acceptable at lower levels. This was the european cup final! If you can get away with it there then u can anywhere.

As for the Munster moans...well if i was a big fan i'd probably be moaning out of a combination of frustration/disappointment for a few days, so give them that.

I'm gona try and find those quotes from BBC too, cos it gave a great view of it. A vid of Stringer as Leicster paraded the trophy to we are the champions and the first question was 'you must be bitterly disappointed'. He was very humble thru the pain.

A.

tempname

I think the neil back this was disgrace. I was disappointed they lost, but i was really pissed off that Niel back won't even admit that he cheated! I said "i didn't cheat". And also he he said " if some called me a cheat I would be upset", oh yeah, we all feel for ya there Back!*sarcasm*!

IrishGuykokoJin

A think a fine for 20,ooo english pound on Neil Back, which would be then donated to a childrens charity.

It would make me smile!

People like "Carlos", "the Claw from Limerick", "Robbie Fowler"... have been punished for much less than Back has done.

They way I look at it is Munster would have lost with or without Neil Back.

But it doesn't make what Neil Back did any better.

Coyler

Well done FANJ for swimming against the tide of opinion.
Back did break the rules but, as you rightly put it, he did nothing out of the ordinary. I myself play rugby at a high level and if there is one thing I've noted as the level rose so does frequency of law-breaking. There is more at stake and players will look for any advantage. Infact it is impossible for the referee to spot everything and usually it is up to the player to "sort it out" himself. This may seem incredibly cynical but Stringer himself directly after the game, when emotions were high, merely shrugged it off. I do feel sorry for Munster but it was their line out that let them down and not the Officials.
By the By, I'm very much Irish

suppafly

Originally posted by Coyler
Well done FANJ for swimming against the tide of opinion.
Back did break the rules but, as you rightly put it, he did nothing out of the ordinary. I myself play rugby at a high level and if there is one thing I've noted as the level rose so does frequency of law-breaking. There is more at stake and players will look for any advantage. Infact it is impossible for the referee to spot everything and usually it is up to the player to "sort it out" himself. This may seem incredibly cynical but Stringer himself directly after the game, when emotions were high, merely shrugged it off. I do feel sorry for Munster but it was their line out that let them down and not the Officials.
By the By, I'm very much Irish

Yeah munsters line outs were pretty bad, but thats not the point anymore, what i'm really pissed off about is the same thing that tempname was pissed off about. That he won't admit that he cheated, and is also getting the backing of his manager. I think that is really wrong and sending a very bad signal out to people who r just starting to playt rugby.

nesf

Tbh I feel that the better team on the day won, Munster had something like 30% of the possesion, you can't expect to win at that level with so little ball.

But I was incensed by Back's actions, if only for the cycnacism of his actions, he should be punished for the action, but I don't think Leicster should be punished, by and large it was a clean game, but for one blatant incident.

It wouldn't have been a penalty try tho, to award one, the attacking team must have been in a position to have almost definitely scored a try. Munster weren't.

Oh and I'm from Cork so believe me I was totally supporting Munster.

Trojan

I was over in England at the weekend, noticed an article slamming Back in one of their papers, good to see they're not supporting him.

I think the cynical argument posed here by TheFanj et al is disgraceful, just because you can get away with something does not mean it is acceptable in this, or any, sport.

Regardless of the fact that Leicester deserved their win, I think that Back detracted from their moment of glory - that game will always be remembered as the game where Back acted so disgracefully..

Sorry to upset you Neil, but I am calling you a cheating bastard.

Al.

btw, I'm an ex Westport & Connacht (underage) player for the record. I was supporting Munster on the day.

Lump

Wh00t a rugby board.

Anyway, FANj is right, fair enough he broke the rules, Munster didn't deserver to win. Their lineouts were crapped, dodgy play all the way through. Fair enough when I saw what happened I thought oh the wanker, but he cheated he got away with it, **** happens.



John

vorbis

he committed a professional foul in the alst minute of the match!
If he had been spotted it could have been a yellow card for him.
Like Duff's penalty, he cheated. I hate gombeens who can't accept its cheating. Its not cunning play nor the problem of the referee. Its cheating by Back.