Blacknova pointless ???????? Do you want to play ?

Coyote

There is some thing very odd going on in Blacknova
There are some "extraordinary" ports that let you make much higher profits from trading than 99% of the other ports in the game.
In 2000 turns Celt was able to make more money that anyone could trading in 99% of ports in 9000 turns. I know that a number of people use this port and it seems that it’s not a cheat.
But it’s up too you if you want to play in a game that 5-6 people can make 10 times more money can anyone else.

If I wanted to upgrade from hull 22 to hull 26 I would have to use 8968 turns trading making the max profit for my hull size and up trading as soon as I could.
After the first 50 trades your profits start to go down so you would need to keep finding new ports.
Celt is on level 27 or higher






18:40:10 <Celt> ive exchausted 600mil of organics in 6 ports in the last 20 mins

18:52:33 <richindub2> its not Coyote_
18:52:44 <richindub2> there are special ports that pay loads for goods / ore / organics
18:52:47 <richindub2> you just need to find them
18:53:00 <richindub2> thats how kaids / daz / me all have high scores :E
18:53:10 <richindub2> celt just found one earlier than we did


18:54:26 <richindub2> no
18:54:33 <richindub2> special as in they buy ore for 50 credits a pop

18:55:52 <DeVore> these are "extraordinary" ports rather then "special" ports

18:56:06 <Coyote_> you know about them devore ?
18:56:18 <richindub2> aye dev put it well
18:56:20 <Fio[Smiles]> indeed
18:56:47 <DeVore> didnt know about them before now but thought it was a bit weird that they should all be the same


19:31:35 <Coyote_> how much can you carry in your ship celt ?
19:31:50 <Celt> carry what?
19:32:00 <Celt> energy fighters goods?
19:32:01 <Coyote_> ore goods
19:32:06 <Coyote_> things like that
19:32:18 <Celt> 9mil last i looked
19:32:48 <Coyote_> how much for you next hull upgrade ?
19:33:09 <Celt> 260 bil iirc

20:16:35 <Celt> so ive spent ~6-700bill on upgrades in last 1500-2000 turns

jaggeh

i want to keep playing but on the condition that celts account is wiped.

Dont be at yourself

Stop whinging - does it honestly affect your game if Celt has a high score?

Celt

Originally posted by Coyote
If I wanted to upgrade from hull 22 to hull 26 I would have to use 8968 turns trading making the max profit for my hull size and up trading as soon as I could.

What about bank interest, or planet interest, or production of materials on planets?

After the first 50 trades your profits start to go down so you would need to keep finding new ports.

For ore+goods i move every 50 trades.

18:40:10 <Celt> ive exchausted 600mil of organics in 6 ports in the last 20 mins

The same would go for ore/goods except I dont exhaust them...

18:52:33 <richindub2> its not Coyote_
18:52:44 <richindub2> there are special ports that pay loads for goods / ore / organics
18:52:47 <richindub2> you just need to find them
18:53:00 <richindub2> thats how kaids / daz / me all have high scores :E

Other people finding stuff you havent doesnt unbalance the game ffs, it just makes you look like children when you complain about the fact.

Celt

Originally posted by veonix
i want to keep playing but on the condition that celts account is wiped.

I want to keep playing but on one condition that jaggehs account is wiped, deleted, banned and he is permanantly banned from the boards.

Do I sound childish? You bet I do.

About the level playing field, JUST HOW NAIVE ARE YOU?
There is never, ever a level playing field in anything and if you think there is your an idiot of a rather large degree.
Alliances unbalance the game, people trading co-ords in pm on irc unbalance the game, people posting a list of special co-ords unbalance the game, people giving advice to each other unbalance the game.
So I say, SO ****ING WHAT?

Coyote

What about bank interest, or planet interest, or production of materials on planets?

you get 500 Credits per million credits per tick
so even if you had 16,777,216,000 all you would get in the 2 hours you went up by 500K in score would be 16,777,000.

16,777,216,000 needed just for the upgrade too level 24
167,770,000 what you would have made. in 2 hours

now it may be me but thats a lot short of what you needed
ie :465,565,744,000 thats just what you need to upgrade from hull 22 too 26
so bank interest or planet interest does not make money out on air. and would not have been any where enuf too even part pay for the hull upgrade

it's about people not cheeting
anyone want to know what it is ?
well port 499 is buying organices at 127 credits when you can buy them for about 7 credits.
I would count this as a bug.
and useing it is exploiting a bug.
up too the admins to deside now.

fine tell me why your buying 600 mill of organices ????
when most people will tell you that organices makes just about no money in any port in the game ?????
21:44:57 <richindub2> he traded organics instead of ore, organics paid 3 times what ore does

your still saying thats not a bug in the game ???

Baz_

I might respond later with a longer and more eloquent reply but for now this is all I have to say:

Faggotry

Celt

Originally posted by Coyote

you get 500 Credits per million credits per tick
so even if you had 16,777,216,000 all you would get in the 2 hours you went up by 500K in score would be 16,777,000.

16,777,216,000 needed just for the upgrade too level 24
167,770,000 what you would have made. in 2 hours

now it may be me but thats a lot short of what you needed
ie :465,565,744,000 thats just what you need to upgrade from hull 22 too 26
so bank interest or planet interest does not make money out on air. and would not have been any where enuf too even part pay for the hull upgrade

* Production of credits beyond banking interest is 100 - other percentages

your ignoring that.

Your also ignoring the FAQ

The Banker builds one planet to full capacity. Upgrade as though you were a builder. Be sure that the planet is completely well defended. Keep adding fighters. If you think that the planet has a ridiculously high number of fighters, then it's probably the right number. I'd recommend spending something like 5-10% of your turns adding more fighters and torps to the planet.

Ok, here's the way the Banker makes his living. Put all your money on the planet and then land on the planet. It should be well defended enough to survive any attacks. Wait 600 turns, during which the money will earn interest. Play the 600 turns as though you were a Trader. At the end, put the new money on the planet and wait another 600 turns before you play again. The important thing is to let the money sit around and accrue interest for as long as possible.

This strategy works fairly well if you combine it with a Builder, i.e.. Build a bunch of planets, but Bank on one of them. Harder to defend your empire this way.

fine tell me why your buying 600 mill of organices ????
when most people will tell you that organices makes just about no money in any port in the game ?????
21:44:57 <richindub2> he traded organics instead of ore, organics paid 3 times what ore does

your still saying thats not a bug in the game ???

IVE EXPLAINED THIS ON IRC AT LEAST 3 TIMES SO EXCUSE ME IF IVE LOST MY PATIENCE WITH YOU, BUT COULD YOU AT LEAST TRY ****ING READ WHAT I WRITE INSTEAD OF WHINGING AND MAKING MY LIFE A PAIN FOR 3 AND A HALF HOURS?

Coyote

Ok just so everone knows the Exploit that people were useing
was buying stuff and then selling it in port 499 where it would pay up to 127 credits for organics which you could have bought for 7 credits makeing a profit of 120 credits.

about 6 times the normal level of profits


Money left on the planet will increase at the rate of 1.0005 * current money on planet each turn. In other words, you get .05% interest on your cash every turn. This works out pretty well if you have lots of money.

16,777,216,000 * .05% = 8,388,500 per turn
8,388,500 * 10 ticks per hours = 83,885,000

16,777,216,000 = needed to upgrade to level 24
167,770,000 = money made if you left 16,777,216,000 on your planet for 2 hours.

you could not do it with banking.

Celt

Originally posted by Coyote
Ok just so everone knows the Exploit that people were useing
was buying stuff and then selling it in port 499 where it would pay up to 127 credits for organics which you could have bought for 7 credits makeing a profit of 120 credits.

about 6 times the normal level of profits

Actually no-one but me was using this exploit.
How would you like to get your ****ing facts right for ONCE?

"I left confed cos of cheating"
Members
- geo (Score: 106988)
- strat (Score: 78558)
- Jaggeh (Score: 84532) - Co-ordinator
- The_Keeper (Score: 42782)

Actually I left Confederation first, right after strat told me we were the same alliance so I was obligated to tell him.

So strat, you whine at me to give it to you, I leave the alliance, you suddenly get all righteous and leave the alliance you set up and I was not a member of? And you also said I should "fo tbh" although you wanted to do the exact same thing?
p.l.d.

richindub2

I cant believe you wasted 3 and a half hours talking to them, i gave up trying to explain it after 30 min.

Coyote

Originally posted by Celt

Actually no-one but me was using this exploit.
How would you like to get your ****ing facts right for ONCE?

Thank you for admitting that it is a exploit.
but as for saying that no one but you was useing that is a lie.
my facts have been right from the start.


20:17:11 <Celt> Coyote rich was doing the same
20:17:17 <Celt> but just not with the same profits
20:17:24 <Celt> i would guess the other were as well


20:21:51 <Celt> ive seen 6 people using them
20:22:00 <Celt> they just werent using them for organics
20:22:14 <Celt> rich was using the port for ore
20:22:20 <Celt> or goods*
20:22:27 <Celt> as it had good price for buying ore

Celt

Originally posted by Coyote


Thank you for admitting that it is a exploit.
but as for saying that no one but you was useing that is a lie.
my facts have been right from the start.

exploit;
To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.

Yup I exploited it.

20:17:11 <Celt> Coyote rich was doing the same
20:17:17 <Celt> but just not with the same profits
20:17:24 <Celt> i would guess the other were as well


20:21:51 <Celt> ive seen 6 people using them
20:22:00 <Celt> they just werent using them for organics
20:22:14 <Celt> rich was using the port for ore
20:22:20 <Celt> or goods*
20:22:27 <Celt> as it had good price for buying ore

I was using organics.
I got much better profits.
Other people werent, no one but me.
Now what about this do you find it so hard to grasp I have to repeat it several times and you still dont cop on?

strat

Originally posted by Celt



Actually I left Confederation first, right after strat told me we were the same alliance so I was obligated to tell him.

So strat, you whine at me to give it to you, I leave the alliance, you suddenly get all righteous and leave the alliance you set up and I was not a member of?

I set up a clan, I invited players who I thogut would be active, make a strong alliance.
I asked you how you got the high score.
You declined.
I left the alliance because it was clear thet players in it were cheating - I didnt want to be accociated with cheating.

although you wanted to do the exact same thing?
p.l.d.

where in fcuk did u get that from
i never mentioned that i would cheat/exploit this bug etc


back on topic =

fix bug
reset game

Celt

Originally posted by StrataGIST


I set up a clan, I invited players who I thogut would be active, make a strong alliance.
I asked you how you got the high score.
You declined.
I left the alliance because it was clear thet players in it were cheating - I didnt want to be accociated with cheating.

Uh the only one was me, and as was siad many times on irc I wasnt cheating, and as I already said, I left first.

[ 20:32:48 ] (strat): tell me how u did it - ur in my clan tbh
That sounds like you want me to tell you so you can use it to....
Not "You have a really high score Celt, looks iffy, are you cheating?"

where in fcuk did u get that from
i never mentioned that i would cheat/exploit this bug etc

But you would have for sure.. Rich already told you about the "exploit" as well

GreenHell

Well I just got my arsed kick by a player who I assume most have found one these ports. I didn't know they where in the game and I'm not whinging about my ship and planets evaporating, it happens. But given that one player can use up 6000 turns working away with a game plan and get a reasonable score then get taken out by someone who found one of these planets, and has used less turns.

I don't like these ports, only way to make the use of them fair is to publish the location of 2 of them and go and find the rest yourself or don't have them.

Celt

Originally posted by GreenHell
Well I just got my arsed kick by a player who I assume most have found one these ports. I didn't know they where in the game and I'm not whinging about my ship and planets evaporating, it happens. But given that one player can use up 6000 turns working away with a game plan and get a reasonable score then get taken out by someone who found one of these planets, and has used less turns.

I don't like these ports, only way to make the use of them fair is to publish the location of 2 of them and go and find the rest yourself or don't have them.

GH in all fairness now, 500k fighters and 2million mines is tantamount to no defense
Anyway with you it was revenge for killing me off last season in sector 3000 grrr!

strat

Originally posted by Celt


But you would have for sure.. Rich already told you about the "exploit" as well

when i tryed what rich told me on irc - i didnt make any more money
apearently that port was exhausted - i said i cba and left it at that, didnt give it another thought

[ 20:32:48 ] (strat): tell me how u did it - ur in my clan tbh
That[ 20:32:48 ] (strat): tell me how u did it - ur in my clan tbh
That sounds like you want me to tell you so you can use it to....
Not "You have a really high score Celt, looks iffy, are you cheating?"

christ you have it backwards
I asked you had a high score

So i didnt say "You have a really high score Celt, looks iffy, are you cheating?"

Nor did i say "Tell me how you cheated as I want to cheat also"

Celt

Originally posted by StrataGIST
i didnt make any more money

And yet you tell me to quit because I do?

christ you have it backwards
I asked you had a high score

No you didnt, you told me to explain to you how to gain so much money/score.

Pepe LeFrits

Bleh, spoils the game imo. I was doing nicely (enjoying the game, ranked 4/5th around the 70k) mark when i found one of the said ports. Seemed great at the start with the huge profit but it really spoils the game

SELF DESTRUCT
5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. Boom!
You ship and all aboard have been vaporized.

Celt

Originally posted by kaids
Bleh, spoils the game imo. I was doing nicely (enjoying the game, ranked 4/5th around the 70k) mark when i found one of the said ports. Seemed great at the start with the huge profit but it really spoils the game

Yes it does spoil it.

castie

jesus christ thats like saying if someone finds a special port ner where thye are trading they are "cheating" since the game has been put on an unlevel playing field.

Kraken

imo. i think hey if they find a port better than most well then go for it. its all about getting an advantage and they seem to have done it well.

I can also see why some people might think it unfair but its down to luck in finding one like if you found one would you say anything?

GreenHell

Your missing the point I'm making celt, I don't mind having my arsed kicked it is after all only a game.

Some people are spending the same amount of turns as you, might not be using them as effectively as you or anyone else who found one of these ports and are getting there arses kicked because ports exsist that give a limited number of players a massive advantage, massive to the point of making the game crap

Kraken

yeah share the knowledge.

Morpheus

Whats BlackNova?

MiCr0

www.boards.ie/blacknova

its an online game

Kraken

Like Micr0 said its an online game but its for boards.ie only.

Its made up of about 40 so far. have to check again. its based on turns and trading u get x amout of turns every few min not 100% sure what it is this round. You use the turns to trade between different ports these ports but and sell organics ore goods or energy depending on what its called i.e. ore ports buy all except ore that they sell. its the same for all the rest.
The money you make you use to upgrade ur ship. the bigger a hull you have the more goods you can carry. the bigger a computer u have the more fighters you can carry and the more torpedo launchers you have the more torps you can carry. you make planets with genesis torps each cost 1 million gil. (ffx rocks)

You put people on the planet to maintain it and make it grow you buy these people at a special trade post. like 0 (sol)

When your tech level is above 8 u are auto towed from federation space after 6 min.

Your max amout of turns you can hold is 5000 afaik.
if you start killing loads of other people and taking over there planets the federation puts a bounty on you. and the more you do the bigger it gets.

Traveling cost's turns as does trading depending on your engine size you can travel from anywhere to anywhere for 1 turn. (if you engine level is above 11 you can do this.) you can create trade routes that make it faster to trade but you are better off not doing that till you have large enough engines.

Buy a fuel scoop it auto collects energy which you can sell or keep to power your shields or weapon beams.

buy an escape pod that way if someone attacks your ship and wins you can still play on with your planets and money that you may have.

if you dont have an escape pod and you get killed thats it you are left with 0 and will be reborn after x amount of time.

it takes 2000 citizens on a planet to reproduce (there a bit slow no sex education when they were young)

Dont have to high a population for anyone planet as you will make less (if you have 100,000,000 citizens on a planet (that is the max) they wont reproduce so you loose that and that adds to your score.) Best bet is about half that 50,000,000 keep an eye on how much they are producing cause if they have loads you can take it and sell it.

Build a base as soon as you can on your planet/s
this adds to its defense ability.

get good trade routes goods to ore is best.

more later if i get the chance.