How far is RTE reaching- DX survey

charlieb

In which dark and distant place is RTE making it through the airwaves now? How about a DX survey of how far the footprint is reaching. Any body receiving in the Cannaries?


charlieb

Saruman

doubt it... you can only get it via aeriel (Ireland and some of the UK) and Sky digital (ROI only!)

jez

I guess Charlieb means has anyone taken a Sky digibox to the Canaries or anywhere outside these islands with an Irish sub and tried it out. Would be interesting to know...

Tony

Originally posted by charlieb
In which dark and distant place is RTE making it through the airwaves now? How about a DX survey of how far the footprint is reaching. Any body receiving in the Cannaries?


charlieb

Holland, Belgium and France so far

Tony

carrolls

A guy on another thread can recieve HTV on 10.832/H 22.0 and 5/6 in the Canaries.
RTE's frequency is not much lower than that.
So I would say its ok but your dish has to be bigger than a Minidish.

charlieb

Calling all DXers

Now I am worried no late late show when on holidays!

There has go to be more Irish long distance sat viewers with reception confirmations!

Charlieb

DMC

erm... the thread is only 3 hours old..... give it time....

carrolls

Well to be fair, not a lot of people care one way or another.
Its like asking 'Do they sell Taytos in Germany'

Originally posted by carrolls
Well to be fair, not a lot of people care one way or another.
Its like asking 'Do they sell Taytos in Germany'

True-but It would be nice to know what far flung pubs the GAA should be worried about-apart from Britain:rolleyes:
mm

carrolls

Yeah but I would have thaught you'd be going to the Canaries
to escape the clutches of the GAA.;)

Paterick

Hello lads, I have experimented a little with the minidish down in Almeria (half way between Malaga and Alacante), I set up my dish and Irish Pace box, I found that the receiver would not lock into the default transponder 11778 ghz, it slightly lifted the signal strength bar so I thaught I was finished. I then got out my list of transponders and setting up known transponders both above and below 11778 as the default transponder and eventually started to get reception and quality about 12.2 ghz. Luckily Sky News comes into this frequency range. Once I set Sky News transponder as the default transponder I got my listings. So the answer to your original question is - you can forget about RTE because the transponder frequency is way way too low to pick it up on the Mini Dish, however I am going back to Spain again this summer and I am going to invest in a 90 cm dish with a good LNB and maybe put an in line amp directly after the LNB to try to pick up the lower frequencies and I am pretty confident I will do it ok. For sure you can use a 1.3 m dish and you will have success in Southern Spain but as far as the Canaries are concerned the problem is even bigger. The type of programmes we were getting were the likes of Paramount etc I was not able to get Sky 1 or any of the sports channels or movie channels but there was enough there to keep the kids occupied at night.:)

Tony

Originally posted by Paterick
Hello lads, I have experimented a little with the minidish down in Almeria (half way between Malaga and Alacante), I set up my dish and Irish Pace box, I found that the receiver would not lock into the default transponder 11778 ghz, it slightly lifted the signal strength bar so I thaught I was finished. I then got out my list of transponders and setting up known transponders both above and below 11778 as the default transponder and eventually started to get reception and quality about 12.2 ghz. Luckily Sky News comes into this frequency range. Once I set Sky News transponder as the default transponder I got my listings. So the answer to your original question is - you can forget about RTE because the transponder frequency is way way too low to pick it up on the Mini Dish, however I am going back to Spain again this summer and I am going to invest in a 90 cm dish with a good LNB and maybe put an in line amp directly after the LNB to try to pick up the lower frequencies and I am pretty confident I will do it ok. For sure you can use a 1.3 m dish and you will have success in Southern Spain but as far as the Canaries are concerned the problem is even bigger. The type of programmes we were getting were the likes of Paramount etc I was not able to get Sky 1 or any of the sports channels or movie channels but there was enough there to keep the kids occupied at night.:)

The transponder frequency is not the problem, the satellite footprint or reception area is focussed on irl/uk and therefore much lower power level outside of this area.

Regards Tony

Paterick

I would agree with you Tony, I have looked at all the footprints, however the power output from all the transponders should in theory be same and in that case, I concluded from my experiments that frequency had a lot to do with it. It was easy for me to adjust my dish as it was out on the patio and I had a constant view of the signal bars on my tv. I had a long time out there to mess with the dish and it was still always "Nothing below 12 ghz. " I did however discover that the cable type did make a difference. The run from the dish to the receiver was approx 6 metres. When I used the silver shield and silver core which I think is called CT100 the results were an improvement on the copper shield and core, and this was was evident even on a short run of 6 metres. It might be noted also that the "Pace receiver" is not very good for these experiments as they do not have a tuner as such. The antenna input on the Pace is connedted directly to the motherboard whereas the Grundig GDS3000 and some others are connected via a tuner and are more receptive to weaker signals. I am in the process of locating the Grundig at the moment, if you go into any of the bars who are offering Sky Sports you will never see a Pace behind the counter. I would appreciate any experiences from you guys on the subject.

sayireland

I haven't heard of anyone in Madrid who is getting RTE yet but some of the Irish pubs are picking up ITV (from a British Sub) with a big dish. I'm sure they won't be too long in getting an Irish sub out.

Not 100% sure but I think they are using a 1.5 Channel Master dish. Need to check this out for sure before investing.

This link gives some info on 2D reception in general so it should be of some help to some of you.

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?threadid=17305

Something more specific with RTE would be helpful.

Paterick

Good milage on that thread "sayireland" anything above 90cm is going to mean "dish anchor problems" the Grundig or Panasonic seem to be the way to go, I will report back results late July to the forum, many thanks for the link - confidence is high !!
Paterick.

Tony

Originally posted by Paterick
I would agree with you Tony, I have looked at all the footprints, however the power output from all the transponders should in theory be same and in that case, I concluded from my experiments that frequency had a lot to do with it.

The frequency is only relevant in this case because the lower frequencies are used by astra 2d which has the tighter footprint. Lower frequencies actually perform better than higher ones all things being equal, this is why the lnb has to down convert the satellite freqs to a level which can be carried by coaxial cable . The LO or local oscillator carries out this function within the lnb, this is why new enhanced lnb's were needed to use freqs below 10ghz, hence the difference between the old 10ghz lnbs and the later .975 types. Power output does vary even on the same satellite although the main problem here is the footprint. If you would like to research this further there is an excellent book by John Breeds called surprisingly "The satellite book"

Regards Tony

telecinesk

Astra 2D reception. Well Im in east Austria (Kitsee) and I need a 2M dish for (Oh Joy) RTE, so I cannnot confirm reception of ANY 2D transponder. Unlike parts of Spain I get Astra 2B/C whatever FULL signal strength so EPG 11778 etc no problem. Anyone else down this direction with a 1.5m dish with 2D reception??
ANyway, BBC is more than enough for free.

telecinesk

Sory lads, forgot to say Ive a 90cm dish.
Thinking about a 2m dish,I approached my xyl and found the answer unprintable *** my marriage is worth more than RTE or god forbid ITV uugh

Paterick

You are dead right Tony the 2d footprint is "tight tight", I see from your profile you are quite involved in all this, I have a question which you might be able to throw a bit of light on.
What if instead of using a single LNB you were to use a Quad LNB, i.e. Ver HI, Hor HI, Ver LO Hor LO and bring the four downlines into a 4 way power passing divider to a single output, would you achieve anything, i.e. would your receiver perform any better when the frequency is dictating which LNB output to use, or would you simply succeed in attenuating your signal by putting such a device in the system. Thanks for the info on "The Satellite book" is this book readily available.?
Regards
Paterick