Best Rock/Metal album from 2001/2002...

cournioni

What do you think is the best rock metal album from 2001/02?

I'd go with God Hates Us All by Slayer, although I'm growing to love the new Down album...

lordsippa

Much more ol' style Rock N' Roll (in the Guns N' Roses, AC/DC vein) but....

Beautiful Creatures "Beautiful Creatures"
or...
nih... can't think... will edit when i remember later....

Karl Hungus

Naw... The new Slayer is terrible.

My Dying Bride - The Dreadfull Hours.
Now there's a fantastic album.

Shinji

System of a Down's "Toxicity", for my money. First metal album in a long time that I've listened to and gone "bloody hell, this is new, cool and interesting" as opposed to "oh, it's the same as everything else only noisier and with more bleating".

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Blind Guardian - a night at the opera .

tis great

Ruaidhri

Lateralus by TOOL...godamn are you all stupid!
that and Martyr's Warp Zone

Mr .Bungle

Down 2 without a doubt, best album for a good while now.
Lateralus a close second tho.

Shinj, System of a Down! Ye little teenyboppin bitch

Shorty

Tool - Lateralus and Opeth - Blackwater Park

Tazz T

...but the new Manowar album isn't out yet.

immort4l

Hehe manowar rule.
Id go with either...

1. Impaled Nazarene -'absence of peace does not mean war'
2. Impaled-'The dead shall dead remain' (if that was 2001....)
3. A tribute to Mayhem - 'originators of the northern darkness'
4. Marduk - 'infernal Eternal'(if that was 2001 )

Shiminay

Either Toxicity or Down 2 - maybe the new Korn album *s*******

Ph3n0m

Have to agree with Pornapster, it has to be Slayer by far.

(i dare anyone to defy me, because if you do, I am sure I will have some woefully pathetic comeback ready for you....hehehehehehe)

OLDYELLAR

definetely without a doubt system of a down - toxicity !

four_star

toxicity definately

Acidflash

Originally posted by OLDYELLAR
definetely without a doubt system of a down - toxicity !

I couldn't agree more

Mr .Bungle

Ok,
1. Toxicity doesn't deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence as Down2

2. Toxicity/Linkin Park/Nickelback etc. is exactly whats wrong with modern rock/metal. In fact these bands would probably fall into the pop catogary.

Littletinyman

Has to be 'Borschen Finken COCO POP MANIA Funshnake - Special Edition' from little-known Swedish outfit Wheelbarrow Exhiliration Binoculars. Post-modernistic scandanavian kitchen utensil metal at it's very best.

Karl Hungus

I should REALLY clamp down on LTM most horrifically.
But... He's just too funny.

Oeneus

Iron Maiden - Rock in Rio 3

Winning Hand

Obviously I have to say lateralus (note to self, discover new bands)

Other good albums include Toxicity, NIN live (forget the name, think its the fragile) & Mutter, wasnt that impressed with God Hates Us All I must say

Karl Hungus

The new NiN was called All That Could Have Been.
Good album too, currently trying to get it on DVD aswell.

Cheez

Lateralus yes as i hav no opinion on the new slayer or
opeth which i trust are v.good also.Toxicity isnt as consistant
as the first album but that song is class as are a few more(namely chop suey) but the rest get boring quite quickly (unless ur drunk)

Shinji

Toxicity/Linkin Park/Nickelback etc. is exactly whats wrong with modern rock/metal.

Opinions like those without anything to back them up, and the grouping of entirely different bands together by people just in order to prove an ultimately invalid point... That's exactly what's wrong with arrogant metal "fans" with their heads stuck up their own arses. If you were intelligent enough to stand back a bit from what you're saying and look, you'd see that you're no better than the modern arty types faffing away self-importantly in the Tate and passing judgement on the tastes of others without anything to base it on. The only difference is that you probably wear a hoodie more often, and don't wash as frequently.

b4k4^2

Ah gotta be Tool anyday. Lateralus is just classic, brilliant lyrics and Maynards haunting voice.

cournioni

Originally posted by Shinji
Opinions like those without anything to back them up, and the grouping of entirely different bands together by people just in order to prove an ultimately invalid point... That's exactly what's wrong with arrogant metal "fans" with their heads stuck up their own arses. If you were intelligent enough to stand back a bit from what you're saying and look, you'd see that you're no better than the modern arty types faffing away self-importantly in the Tate and passing judgement on the tastes of others without anything to base it on. The only difference is that you probably wear a hoodie more often, and don't wash as frequently.

You are contradicting yourself, judging by what you said in the "What type of Rock/Metal music do you like?" thread. You aren't backing your points up.

In my opinion the bands that Mr. Bungle mentioned there are missing too many aspects of metal music to actually be labelled metal (eg. good drumming, loud agressive vocals and most importantly guitar solos).

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Shinji
Opinions like those without anything to back them up, and the grouping of entirely different bands together by people just in order to prove an ultimately invalid point...

Opinions like those are perfectly valid.

Bands like Linkin Park, who ARE actualy manufactured in the exact same way as popstars are worth slating. Fred Durst backed bands like Puddle Of Mudd are just the other end of the "Manufactured" spectrum. It's the same a Louis Walsh. And in the same way that your average pop group would rehash and old cover, the fred durst type bands would rehash the sound of an older band.
Nickleback, and Creed are simply watering down Pearl Jam for a commercial audiance.
Can you honestly say that these bands are doing anything new?

System of a Down are along the same lines of RATM.
But they'd be more of an exception, as they do have somewhat a sound of their own.
They're an alright band, but hardly breaking such boundaries as people are making them out as doing.

Tazz T

now dustaz is starting. Fight of the mods... go get 'im Angelwhore.

FIRE

But now I am here I think that "Beyond Good & Evil" The Cult.

If anyone's heard it.

If not go & buy it it's a great heavy album, another gem from The Cult.

SYL

Hmmmmm, good albums......?
Slipknots Iowa album was well worth waiting for, I think.
Devin Townsends 'Terria' and 'Physicist' albums were fantastic too, that guy has just got a style all of his own.
Anathema's 'A fine day to exit' is great too - like a metallers Radiohead, without all of their shyte.
Best album of this year so far is Mushroomheads 'XX' album, I'm really liking that at the mo.

Apart from that, I don't think that there are too many more standout albums. Just for the record, I am a big Slayer fan (as are most in here), but I thought that 'God hates us all' was their worst album to date, not nearly as good as 'Diabolus in Musica' even.

As far as the mainstream stuff goes, I get a kick out of that X-ecutioners song 'Its goin' down' - there is something cool about it, can't quite put my finger on it though. Happy that Nickelback are getting into the Top 20, as are Creed (I think).

I am more happy that, at last, Metal and Rock is finally sticking its head out of the morass of Pop crap that is ALL you hear on the radio at the moment. We need to destroy those boybands as soon as poss. (we can leave the girl one's though, because although they can't sing for skins, they are nice eye-candy all the same).

Make Much Metal

Ruaidhri

Slipknots Iowa album was well worth waiting for, I think

*shudder* sorry but i think(you know my opinion) that slipknot are more of the produced crap..their stuff is WAY to slick and it's overproduced..the likes of Cryptopsy or Nile would blow them out of the water any day.

Karl Hungus

Right... I've said it a good few times.
Enough with the spam.

You might notice a few posts have gone bye bye.

This isn't a free spam board.
That's what the recycle bin is for.

You can spam your hearts out on that one.
But not here.

beardedchicken

people will *always* think that our own opinion is inherently superior and more "real" than that of someone else, unless it's that of someone we truly respect- in that case, we take that opinion to heart, analyse, and extract the bits we agree with, and mould our old opinion around the new bits of information- that is how human beings form our opinions- they are socially constructed, and *rarely* formed completely independently-but then again, people don't realise that we are being unconsciously influenced by outside sources- we don't *have* to have seventeen different sources and references to back up the minutiae of a strongly held opinion- it just seems to come from the gut!

so...what was my point??......

oh, yes...why are some people around here so ready to leap upon someone else's point and rip it to shreds, simply because it conflicts with their own??

why, according to some people, is "produced" music (because other music just materialises, then, does it??) automatically inferior?? pretty soon- the only "good" music will be nothing more than inaudible noise- "oh, it's just sooooooo post-modern, dahling"

sure, sometimes music can challenge, question, enlighten, inspire, and so on, but does music, which, don't forget, it first and foremost entertainment! always have to be "worthy" and break boundaries- why can't it just be appreciated for what it is?????


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(edit) for the record- toxicity gets my vote- i like the pogo song- it's fun (/edit)

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by beardedchicken
why, according to some people, is "produced" music (because other music just materialises, then, does it??) automatically inferior?? pretty soon- the only "good" music will be nothing more than inaudible noise- "oh, it's just sooooooo post-modern, dahling"

Try read what people are saying, before spouting, mmmkay?

The key word here is "Manufactured", not "Produced".

Now, when someone says that a band is manufactured, they are saying that the band was one put together by the record company. A band that had members auditioned, and had songs pre-written for them. Just like Westlife.
A non-manufactured band is one that came together on it's own, such as friends making a band, and they would write their own music.

Warner Brothers manufactured Linkin Park.
And that is no secret, either.

So when someone is talking about the relevance of such things.
One band would be a device of the record company, where as the other would be a proper band.

beardedchicken

Originally posted by AngelWhore


Try read what people are saying, before spouting, mmmkay?

The key word here is "Manufactured", not "Produced".

Now, when someone says that a band is manufactured, they are saying that the band was one put together by the record company. A band that had members auditioned, and had songs pre-written for them. Just like Westlife.
A non-manufactured band is one that came together on it's own, such as friends making a band, and they would write their own music.

Warner Brothers manufactured Linkin Park.
And that is no secret, either.

So when someone is talking about the relevance of such things.
One band would be a device of the record company, where as the other would be a proper band.

thank you sooooooooooooooooooo much for the music lesson, there, love!* (*sarcasm)


1. i used this opportunity to "spout", because it's something i had been thinking about lately, and i thought that here, among like-minded people would be the perfect place to do so. if it's inappropriate, or belongs somewhere else, that's fine! why not use your moderator-ly powers and get rid of it- i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with that!!


2. i did actually read the whole thread thoroughly before posting- that was, in fact, one of the main thrusts of my argument- people are too quick to jump down one another's throats, and more often than not, fail to recognise sarcasm when they see it*.

3. and finally, Mr. Pot, someone else *did* refer to music sounding too "produced" as opposed to "manufactured" and i do realise both the meanings of, and the differences between those two terms!
yours sincerely, the kettle!* (*sarcasm)



i think i'll just go and cry now....bye bye, cruel world......blubber!!



sniffle

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by beardedchicken
thank you sooooooooooooooooooo much for the music lesson, there, love!* (*sarcasm)

1. i used this opportunity to "spout", because it's something i had been thinking about lately, and i thought that here, among like-minded people would be the perfect place to do so. if it's inappropriate, or belongs somewhere else, that's fine! why not use your moderator-ly powers and get rid of it- i have absolutely no problem whatsoever with that!!

Who said anything about me using any kind of moderation on you?
This is exactly what you're supposed to do here, spout!
Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm gonna lock the fecking thread!

Don't get fecking paranoid!
I'm probably going to disagree with 90% of the people that post here.
That's not the point.

Originally posted by beardedchicken
2. i did actually read the whole thread thoroughly before posting- that was, in fact, one of the main thrusts of my argument- people are too quick to jump down one another's throats, and more often than not, fail to recognise sarcasm when they see it*.

The boards would be a pretty boring place indeed if people just went "Yup" and "MmmHmm" all the time.
This is a place for discussion, and jumping down people's throats.

Originally posted by beardedchicken
3. and finally, Mr. Pot, someone else *did* refer to music sounding too "produced" as opposed to "manufactured" and i do realise both the meanings of, and the differences between those two terms!
yours sincerely, the kettle!* (*sarcasm)

Nicely put.

A lot better than your previous rambling waffle about how opinions are formed.

And yes, I did kinda jump on you. Thought you were reffering to my comments.

But there is definetly music out there that is "OverProduced".
Take one look at the last Dimmu Borgir album.
It was pretty much ruined because they completely and utterly over-triggered the drums.
Would have been a way better album if the production was a bit less *HUGE*?


Anyway.
As you note yourself, it's best to take me and my comments with a pinch of salt now and again.
I'm quite a sarcastic bastard myself.

Just don't get bent out of shape, I'm not going to "Moderate" you, or anyone just because I disagree.
I'll save that for the spammers.

Bard

I must admit that I have yet to see anything that is either inspirational, impressive or original on the heavy rock/metal scene yet in 2001 or 2002.

I don't like the "manufactured" bands... not because they're manufactured- but because I think they're crap.

Nickelback however have potential...

beardedchicken

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm gonna lock the fecking thread!

cool! it has happened before with other mods, though! - their word is gospel, and if you disagree, you're automatically a muppet!- it's great to know that you don't do that!



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it's ok, everyone, i've calmed down.....think happy thoughts.....laa laa laa laa

and besides...it's the bank holiday weekend- happy happy happy!!

Karl Hungus

Naw, don't worry at all.
I'd never be like that.

And if I was, you'd probably find every thread containing anything nu-metal locked.
And I'd hardly think that's going to happen.

I'm not here to force my opinions on anyone, and I doubt that's why I was given the job of moderator either.
So you can relax, and disagree with me.

pookster

I'd have to go with Tool - Lateralus, with SOAD - Toxicity 2nd.

As quoted above
"2. Toxicity/Linkin Park/Nickelback etc. is exactly whats wrong with modern rock/metal. In fact these bands would probably fall into the pop catogary."

I wouldn't class SOAD the same as Linkin, Nickle. Big difference.