Eircom I-stream pricing available today ??

p2p

Ad in the irish times today
stating that

"Eircom limited has today , 23rd of April 2002, made
an ammendment to the Telecommunications Scheme 2002.
This ammendment revises the charges for eircom
I-Stream. Details including effective dates are available at eircom
stores. A list of eircom stores is available in the telephone book
or by dialling Customer Information Service on 1800 512 012"

Nothing on their website about the new pricing ,
"last updated 18th April"

About to ring the number now and find out the story ...

Saruman

since we are too lazy to check, will you post it when you find out? also do you know when the free trials will be over?

viking

V. slow connection today so can't check if this was posted elsewhere, apologies if it was.

Here's the pricing: Press Release

No mention of a cap yet, but the pricing of I-Stream Solo (€89 ex. VAT) is still way too much for residential users...

viking

[EDIT]Just looked at the document that Adam posted, yup there's still a cap![/EDIT]

dahamsta

The details are in the Pending Changes (PDF) document.

adam

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Prices INLCUDING VAT...(give or take a euro/pound)

i-stream solo
Euro 106 / £84

i-stream multi
Euro 167 / £131

i-stream enhanced
Euro 202 / £160

No caps mentioned but I think we can be certain they exist
Installation for all is euro 198 / £156 incl. VAT

JamworkS

The modem is not included in the price. Oviously that'll add another €150-€200 to the price.

They still don't have the prices for them, but that's roughly what they'll cost. They don't know what make they'll be either.

JamworkS

koneko

Caps (as listed in the pending doc posted, read it):

i-stream solo
3 GB

i-stream multi
6 GB

i-stream enhanced
unlimited

Didn't think they'd release an unlimited one, but they did. Now i just have to come to an arrangement with my job so they'll pay for it

Saruman

far too expensive though.. for what it is anyway!

Saruman

anyone know whe the free trials will end?

pencil

Ah feck them anyway, there goes my Adsl, back to 3rd world infrastructure for me.

I'm on the trial but I couldn't stomach those prices €89+VAT pm.

I'm a professional web-designer (spikey hair & all), I've been in the industry since 1996, if I won't pay those exorbitant prices for ADSL do Errorcon actually think your average Joe will [1]?

We are being robbed raped & buggered, left right & centre in this country - I'm completely fed up, it must be the most expensive place in the world to live.

We NEED a change of Government, PLEASE vote these ineffectual village idiots out !

I urge you all - do not vote for any of the main parties, we need to completely replace these existing fools with new/younger responsible people.

(I having wet dreams about FF, FG & PD's coming canvassing to my door, here Bertie, bertie, bertie...)

Bertie - down 2 votes from my house in Dublin 7.

Sorry for the rant, but I have just had enough, house prices, tribulnals, scandals & low level of governance.

[1] I forgot (stupid me), according to Eircom - the average Joe isn't interest in the internet.

Mountjoy Mugger

I'd imagine they'll be in contact with us over the next few weeks asking us if we want to sign up. If we do, we'll stay connected. If not, we'll get dropped circa launch date - 14th May(ish).

elrond

I'm in Germany at the minute where I'm looking into installing a DSL line in our office to supplement our shared leased line. DSL is available here over ISDN or POTS. With a POTS line, the charge for DSL per month is 20 EUR and with an ISDN line it's between 10-13 EURO per month. This is for your DSL connection. Then you have to sign up with a provider. Example costs there are 10 EUR/month for up to 20 hours usage, 20 EUR/month for up to 100 hours usage, and 25 EUR/month for unlimited usage. The prices mentioned are from two different providers and none of them have any download cap.

So the equivalent of istream (i.e. DSL connection + ISP service) costs as little as 20 EUR/month (for < 20 hours) up to a maximum of 45 EUR/month (unlimited usage with a POTS line). For those whose arithmetic has deserted them, that's from < 20% - < 50% of the price of istream. Yes, these prices DO include VAT.

Tell me again what the Telecoms Regulator is supposed to do ? :mad:

OH BTW installation INCLUDING modem in Germany is 170 EUR and there are various offers which substantially reduce that.

Felix Randel

Originally posted by JamworkS
The modem is not included in the price. Oviously that'll add another €150-€200 to the price.

They still don't have the prices for them, but that's roughly what they'll cost. They don't know what make they'll be either.

JamworkS

USB was about 180 and ethernet was 250 euro

I hope ioffl puts i na protests about this, and informs eircom that adsl is allmsot allways a home service

m1ke

they can **** OFF with those caps, i could handle the price but i mean the caps.... are just plain ****in stupid.

Dangger

DSL is available here over ISDN or POTS.

Elrond, could you give us an url for that service? AFAIK Irish users will have to first downgrade their existing ISDN line to POTS before getting ADSL, and be charged close to 100 euro in the process I believe, for retrograding!

:rolleyes:

Gremlin

Have to say that pricing still sucks. Ireland is supposed to be a technological center of europe yet still we have the telecoms mentality of a third world country.

I for one was hoping for something aroung 60 euros per month. I would have paid that. The kind of loot they are asking is just over the top.

It seems to me that Eircom are aiming 'solo' at residential/teleworkers. However I doubt if many resedential customers will be taking it up at that price. I hope thats what happens because after investing in the necessary hardware in make this service available, eircom will have to lower the price continually until they reach a price that most customers are prepared to pay.

Vote with your feet people, thats all these people understand.

Regards,

Gremlin.
Raheny-Dublin.

elrond

Tricky question - URL for Telekom's home page in English is

http://www.telekom.de/dtag/home/portal/0,14925,11020,00.html

but there's a lot there. (Looking around for DSL I came across a page which said that Germany is Europe's #1 broadband nation with > 2 million DSL lines installed.

The URL for Telekom's pricing (in German, though it should be understandable) is

http://www.telekom.de/ipl2/statics/11456/others/Tarifetabelle/start.html

T-Net is POTS. The various variations on T-Net and T-ISDN are just different tariff options depending on usage etc.

I don't have a URL handy for the other DSL provider whose prices I quoted (the one with the lower price/limited usage options)

Hope this is of some interest.

vinnyfitz

Can you help me get the maths right?
Am I right to say that
- for a typical home user
- taking the cheapest option,
- who has no ability to offset the VAT as a business and
- averaging the set up costs of modem purchase and connection over a reasonable period of 12 months this works out as a monthly cost of:

istream basic 89
+ 21% VAT 18.69
+ dedicated line rental including VAT 18
+ 1/12th of connection fee including VAT averaged over 12 months 16.50
+ 1/12 of guesstimate modem cost - 240 including VAT - averaged over 12 months = 20 euro

So that is a total 162 Euro a month for DSL access.

Then of course one can't use that line for phone calls so if one wants a land- line as well add a minimum of another 20 euros.

Have I got that right?

So for a 12 month contract (since that is the minimum they require you to sign up for) the costs are just short of 2000 Euro - 1944 by my maths.

And again a home phone line and any calls you make on it would be extra?

And they pretend they are offering this to a million subscribers!

Gambler

You can still make phone calls over your ADSL line, but that doesn't make a huge dent in your maths..

I'm gonna spend the next year broke...

sikes

I have just sent this to eircom.


As a share holder I think I a right to now why ADSL in Ireland is over 3
times more expensive than our European neighbours.


Here are the costs in the EU

IRELAND €89 (€107
England €35 (€42)
Germany €20.60 (€25)
Luxembourg €29 (€35)
France €20.60 (€25)

I just can't get my head around it. Why? Why can't you be a normal company ever heard of the Law of Demand?

You say you invested €35m. Hah. That's just because you were trying to get into the television market and offering this over the phone. Greedy company. I am happy to announce I am selling my shares as I see there is a pack of apes running €ircom.

I came home from a holiday and I was coming through the airport where you have a big ad.The main idea is to say Ireland, thanks to €ircom, have a top of the range network infrastructure. Ha. Ireland is LAST in the ratings for Internet connection and availability of Broadband in Ireland. That's Eircoms fault.

I will not forget the outrageous prices you are setting out today. As soon as more OLO come into the market your company will be history.

Have a nice day.

PS I might pick up your fancy leather chair at the €ircom liquidation sale in 2 years.


i know this will fall on deaf ears but i have to let it out somehow

jaimieh

Dear God, don't sell your shares! This is the only weapon you have to beat them with. As a shareholder, you can go to all of their meetings and ask a question and they cannot stop you! Those of you who bought Eircom shares and didn't sell them for a fast buck can embarrass the bastards at shareholder meetings.

It works for Mark Thomas (all praise the lefty genius) and other activists who want to embarrass big corporations.

Originally posted by sikes
I have just sent this to eircom.


As a share holder I think I a right to now why ADSL in Ireland is over 3
times more expensive than our European neighbours.


Here are the costs in the EU

IRELAND €89 (€107
England €35 (€42)
Germany €20.60 (€25)
Luxembourg €29 (€35)
France €20.60 (€25)

I just can't get my head around it. Why? Why can't you be a normal company ever heard of the Law of Demand?

You say you invested €35m. Hah. That's just because you were trying to get into the television market and offering this over the phone. Greedy company. I am happy to announce I am selling my shares as I see there is a pack of apes running €ircom.

I came home from a holiday and I was coming through the airport where you have a big ad.The main idea is to say Ireland, thanks to €ircom, have a top of the range network infrastructure. Ha. Ireland is LAST in the ratings for Internet connection and availability of Broadband in Ireland. That's Eircoms fault.

I will not forget the outrageous prices you are setting out today. As soon as more OLO come into the market your company will be history.

Have a nice day.

PS I might pick up your fancy leather chair at the €ircom liquidation sale in 2 years.


i know this will fall on deaf ears but i have to let it out somehow

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by jaimieh
Dear God, don't sell your shares! This is the only weapon you have to beat them with. As a shareholder, you can go to all of their meetings and ask a question and they cannot stop you! Those of you who bought Eircom shares and didn't sell them for a fast buck can embarrass the bastards at shareholder meetings.

Umm - too late. His shares aren't going to give him any voting rights now. Cash them in, for goodness sake.

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Sikes,
You are NOT a shareholder of Eircom-

Your shares were compulsoraly purchased last autumn under the Companies Acts. If you still have a Share Certifciate, you are able to receive the value of your shares from Compushare, and unless you redeem your shares promptly, you are liable for the cost of admin in holding onto your shares.

infomat

Originally posted by sikes
I have just sent this to eircom.


As a share holder I think I a right to now why ADSL in Ireland is over 3

i know this will fall on deaf ears but i have to let it out somehow

If you believe that your are a shareholder your comments will certainly give some cause for laughter in Eircom (unless you are Tony O'Reilly pretending to be someone else).

If you really do still have script make sure to cash in as soon as possible as you will be charged additional fees if you hang on.

sikes

what are you for real?

hang on maybe i did get some vodafone shares for them

Oh well never mind

b20uvkft6m5xwg

This is nothing to do w/ Vodafone and their purchase of Eircell-
This is the takeover of the company by the valentia Group- 1.35 euros per share AFAIR.

With all respect,
Have you not got your (snail)mail in the last 6 months-
There was at least 10 correspondence about this from eircom

Felix Randel

"IRELAND €89 (€107"

According to my information its 84 euro and tha includes 21% vat


Why is it that as soon as this service goes live nobody has a clue what the prises are

Also you line rental is wrong, it has increase to 20 euro a month, and this shoudl nt be included in any figures as the adsl prices quoted by you for other countries dont include line rental

Winters

Thats a lot better intallation charge then what they had planned. Pity it doesnt include the modem though :rolleyes: . I'd say theyll overcharge us for a s**t modem anywhy so were all gonna have to go out and buy a good one:(

infomat

Originally posted by Felix Randel
"IRELAND €89 (€107"

According to my information its 84 euro and tha includes 21% vat


Why is it that as soon as this service goes live nobody has a clue what the prises are

Also you line rental is wrong, it has increase to 20 euro a month, and this shoudl nt be included in any figures as the adsl prices quoted by you for other countries dont include line rental

Visit www.adsl.ie and then explain why Eircom do not agree with you. I ordered their service today (Dublin North Main exchange) and was quoted Euro 89 excluding VAT for I-Stream Solo. I was told that my order would not be processed for two weeks but that my line had passed the necessary tests.

El_MUERkO

Point 9 in the PDF document,

9 All prices shown are exclusive of value added tax

Felix Randel

Ok then, i faill to see were the prices have droped by anything mroe then a few quid

longword

Originally posted by Felix Randel
Ok then, i faill to see were the prices have droped by anything mroe then a few quid

They haven't dropped at all from the first price list released after they settled with the ODTR - though they are cheaper than the wind-up prices they were showing a few days later.

pete

Just in case anyone doesn't know - to get residential-specific info do a search on the Eircom site for DSL then click the "theresadsl" link.

Lex_Diamonds

www.adsl.ie updated on April 23rd 2002:

eircom i-stream solo
For a single user, on a single computer

The product has both a USB port or ethernet option
Speeds are up to 512kbps downstream/128kbps upstream
Connection fee is 165 excl. VAT - Monthly fee is 89 excl. VAT
Additional equipment required: ADSL USB modem 145 excl. VAT or ADSL ethernet modem 200 excl. VAT
For solo the monthly allowance is 3GB.**

keithwhir

"while my computer gently weeps"

Tellox

they receive pleasure from our pain.
no, really, they do.

kamobe

I'd love to shove that stupid cap up....

Seriously though - why do they go and supercharge for a standard service - and THEN throw in a stupid tiny cap on it????

Just SO ANGRY at them......

Gunn4r

I really cant believe this ****, nearly 90 euro a month, AND a cap ?? Are people really going to sign up for this?? I have contacted eircom and odtr to express my sheer astonishment at this pricing....

I mean all this and they havent even had a chance to make aa balls of rolling it out!

This situation is becoming a serious joke!

Ronan|Raven

Its gone to the stage now where ya dont now whether to laugh or cry. The pricing for the servies is so grossly overpriced it makes ya sick! to charge that much for a basic dsl product and then have the cheek to put a 3 gig cap on it boggles the mind.

pork99

I think the only reasonable solution at this stage is that eircom be collectively taken away and shot.

Then we can start again from scratch.