Dublin Corporation Green Bins

Victor

Who has got their recycling bin? (the ones that were meant to be deleivered in Autumn 2001). Some of the neighbouring streets have got them recently, but I life in an apartment and we haven't been given anything.

Mountjoy Mugger

Are you living in an apartment block and paying for a bin collection from the Management Company, Victor?

Samson

I have had mine about 3 months now.

Typedef

Are you kidding? I live in the North inner city dublin and I'm sad to say for the most part it is a discrase, people allow their dogs to use the pavement for a toilet, rubbish bags that get burst are left on the street compared to somewhere like vancouver it's not just a different world but a different planet, never mind recycling, if the streets are anything to go by, people have trouble getting their waste into conventional rubbish bins. I don't remember the area being so mistreated when I was younger, dispite the fact it was significantly poorer ten and fifteen years ago. Clearly what needs to happen in Dublin city is a massive shift away from simply throwing away refuse. Instead of building mega landfills and incinerating refuse, the government should be funding recycling projects more aggressively. As the population of Dublin increases the prospect of making bigger landfills and more and more incinerators not only becomes untenable, but increasingly undesirable. Despite the clear litter problem that seems to hang around the inner city like a noose, I firmly believe that if people were given adequate facilities to seperate out waste and the waste were recycled after being seperated that recycling refuse would become the accepted norm. It is my conviction that if recycling were mandatory and not some optional and unheard of scheme that the massive problems of waste disposal could be placated and even turned to the advantage of the state and it's citizens.

The city center is an urban nexus, it has an extremely high and concerntrated population, but so far the vaunted green bins have failed to arrive, I will welcome the bins when they do arrive, sadly for now if the tens of thousands of people in the city center want to recycle their refuse, it has to be off of their own bat.

What a sad mistreatment of the inner city which is littered with Georgian and Victorian architecture to have the streets visibly polluted and had I not seen the report on TV3 some months back about green bins I would be none the wiser of their existence in Dublin city. I am sure the recycling bins do exist 'somewhere', but I have not yet actually seen one anywhere in the city or elsewhere other than on the television.

Typedef

Here is a potentially useful link
http://www.dublincorp.ie/wasteinfo/fra_ind.asp?ID=2&PG=rec_main.htm

Lenny

I hvae mine nearly a year now, I live in a neighbour hood, in the south side - tallaght.
Quite a lot of people participate in the green bin collection, I think its great to see so many take part,
I've also notice a lot how much my rubish bin weight has declined

Kolodny

I got mine just before Christmas - but it vanished last week!?!

Haven't seen it since last Wednesday.

A lot of people in my area don't seem to have them. Bit disappointing really. Also there is a serious lack of accessible recycling points nearby. Most of my not so local ones are a good drive away - what do you do if you don't have a car?

Xterminator

I can understand Typedef's disgust at the litter situation.

But when he says

the government should be funding recycling projects more aggressively

I cant help but think of all the people who oppose the 'bin taxes' and haven't paid/wont pay.

After all, governments money is taxpayer money, and no matter which way it is collected, either increased VAT, or income tax, or a local authority charge, the problem of waste collection, and what to do with it when collected must be addressed (and paid for).

As for making recyling compulsory, the bin tax is compulsory, and lots of people ignore that. Thus if recycling was made compulsory
I think it would be rejected anyway.

It is an attitude shift in the populace we need.
Stop blaming everything on the government!

And given our (as a nation) total lack of adhering to dumping laws, litter laws, accepting recylcling measures, I dont hold much hope out.


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SantaHoe

Yeah, we've had ours for ages (Northside)... those green bins are a godsend when you want to get rid of that 3-foot-high stack of PCW magazines from 1996.

Typedef

Xterminator, you're right no one wants to pay extra tax, but here is my argument. I would support the total replacemnt of the current system with a system of recycling, therefore with one system supplanting the other the 'extra' tax if any should be comparatively small.

Also ask the people who live near dumps or incinerators which would they perfare, the dump/incinerator or a the extra 5 cent tax that recycling costs?

Boston

You have to be kidding me, im not, nor ever will pay for rubbish colletion, ill dump in at the dail before those bastards get a penny from me.

And before you start about its being greener, its still just going to a land fill

Typedef

It is untenable to send human refuse to landfills and incinerators ad infinitum, sooner or later the dumps become mega dumps, the incinerators become hyper incinerators.

Read this

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:mS4EWTnBL8kC:www.brocku.ca/envi/envi4p21/Legacy%2520of%2520the%2520Landfill.pdf+huge+landfill+dump+dweller&hl=en
By the time it is completed early in the next century, it will be the largest single
structure ever built by humankind. Larger in volume than even the Great Wall of
China, its looming profile will rise to 150 m above Staten Island, New York. Its
gargantuan bulk will show up on satellite photographs and topographic maps.
Virtually every citizen of metropolitan New York City will have contributed
directly to its development over a period of over 50 years. State and municipal
coffers will have contributed millions toward its construction and maintenance, and
its topographic dimensions will continue to amaze observers for centuries to come.
This massive monument is not a celebration of heroism, or patriotism, or artistic
endeavor. Its bulk was not raised to honor a noble virtue or to celebrate great
events. It is rather a monument to the common person and to a common culture-
the culture of conspicuous consumption. It is the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten
Island, the largest pile of garbage in the world. It is an ironic, pathetic, and
ultimately fitting testament to the well-intentioned ignorance of the consumer
society.

To my mind, rubbish dumps should not even exist, humans have the technology to surmount and negate the necessity to use landfills, so it is an Orwellian mind fart to to otherwise. Also a sad fact is that in some parts of the world humans like the people reading this now, are scavenging through the detrius of consumer society, it's not just the dumps that have to go, it's the attitudes that create them.

http://www.vso.org.uk/publications/orbit/70/finders.htm

Yoda

Typedef said:
It is my conviction that if recycling were mandatory and not some optional and unheard of scheme that the massive problems of waste disposal could be placated and even turned to the advantage of the state and its citizens.

It worked in California.

What a sad mistreatment of the inner city which is littered with Georgian and Victorian architecture to have the streets visibly polluted and had I not seen the report on TV3 some months back about green bins I would be none the wiser of their existence in Dublin city. I am sure the recycling bins do exist 'somewhere', but I have not yet actually seen one anywhere in the city or elsewhere other than on the television.

I don't recall seeing one on television. I can say it tears my heart how much paper, aluminium, and glass I throw away. But what can one do? I don't have a car to cart it off to some recycling centre.

You know, I was in Tromsø in Norway a couple of years ago. Tromsø is north of the Arctic Circle. They have kerbside recycling there, and one pays a surcharge on glass bottles and aluminium cans. At the local Spar they have a little conveyor belt in the back. You put your glass and metal there, it's weighed and a credit is applied to your card, which then is sorted out when you leave the shop, either by giving you a discount (new bottles taken into account) or by giving you actual cash.

North of the Arctic Circle. I spoke with my friend there today. He says the sun arrived back on Monday, but he hasn't seen it yet. It rises for about a half an hour a day this time of year.

Yoda

Originally posted by Xterminator
As for making recyling compulsory, the bin tax is compulsory, and lots of people ignore that. Thus if recycling was made compulsory
I think it would be rejected anyway.

Not if you fine people for not doing it.

I believe that if glass, paper, and metal bins were made available, picked up on different days of the week, people would use them. Maybe not everybody, but it would go a damn site further than whoever it is put the new fashion-pig-girl advert about littering in the cinema recently.

Boston

Originally posted by Typedef
It is untenable to send human refuse to landfills and incinerators ad infinitum, sooner or later the dumps become mega dumps, the incinerators become hyper incinerators.

Read this


To my mind, rubbish dumps should not even exist, humans have the technology to surmount and negate the necessity to use landfills, so it is an Orwellian mind fart to to otherwise. Also a sad fact is that in some parts of the world humans like the people reading this now, are scavenging through the detrius of consumer society, it's not just the dumps that have to go, it's the attitudes that create them.

http://www.vso.org.uk/publications/orbit/70/finders.htm

agreed, but its fairly stupid to think this money is either needed, or will be spent on recycling. Maybe in afew years time, but i see nothing major new. Id pay to recycle but i wotn pay because some TDs in goverment are to messed up to have any real ideas apart from, lets extort money from them

Victor

I got a leaflet yesterday, saying we will get one 'soon'.

Typedef

In the abscence of living in a Recycle bin area, I have resorted to filtering out paper, glass and plastic from refuse, since I drive a motorbike not a car, I will be scabbing a lift from my mother or taking the bus to bring the stuff to be recycled, since I don't think it'd be a great idea to drive a motorcycle laden with recyclables.

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Victor
I got a leaflet yesterday, saying we will get one 'soon'.

The Corpo are currently negotiating with a private company to cater for people living in apartment complexes.

It's not the Corpo who will be doing the collections, thus the delay.

seamus

This is gonna be very obscure and unsubstantiated, but I was watching some TV debate thing with a swedish(maybe) guy who had written a book about how the crisis isn't as bad as we are making it out to be. He said that if we just used landfills for the next 100 years, it would 'only' fill up an area 40 square miles in area and 200 meters high. His justification of this was 'think of how big America is, and that's not a huge area'. OMFG - look out the window and think of a block of garbage 8mls X 5mls and 200 metres high - It would be huge!!!!!! This kind of thinking is exactly what has us like this in the first place. 'Ah sure it's not that big a deal, and anyway, I won't be around by the time it becomes serious.' Some people really need to cop on.

ConUladh

Got ours before Xmas (Rathgar), 1st collection a couple of weeks ago

Noticed that people have started using them as extra regular bins though which is a pity

seamus, that debate was on TV3's Agenda and the guy's name is Bjorn Lomborg, it follow's his book 'The Sceptical Environmentalist', I think his argument is that the Environmental lobby are stating things as fact which are untrue and he tackles this in his book on a case by case basis.

Haven't read it but would like to, it's caused a sh1tstorm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sceptical+environmentalist

Typedef

I think it is a bit easy to label people as being part of an 'environmental lobby' and thus dismiss opinions and evidence with a kind of aloof transitory disdain. 'Oh well never mind what X says, he's part of the environmental lobby'.

http://www.nscentre.org/tvmonthly/environment/environ55_3.htm
Industry organizations and conservatives praise the book, especially for expressing doubts about scientific predictions on global warming. Lomborg asserts that implementing the Kyoto Protocol on climate change would be too expensive and that this money would save more lives if, instead, it went toward ensuring that poor people in developing countries have access to safe, clean drinking water.

I might as easily claim that if less money were spent on the vast sprawling military complex of some countries and were spent on humanitarian aid that the moneysaved could be used to not only save more lives but, create less war. Also I wonder if this quote is suggesting that the money that would be 'saved' if indeed any money is 'saved' should be spent on alleviating poverty? I doubt that is what is being suggested, therefore the anti-environmentalist point seems a bit like an 'anti-environmentalist lobbyists' view.

Just my opinion though.
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mike65

A very Dublin discussion this, here outside the pale I've yet to hear or read of any such local authority backed green bin scheme.

Mike.

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by mike65
A very Dublin discussion this, here outside the pale I've yet to hear or read of any such local authority backed green bin scheme.

Mike.

I thought there was one in Mayo?

Swifty

This is me getting it on with my latest models at the Wheelie bin convention 2002.

Littletinyman

Originally posted by Typedef
I think it is a bit easy to label people as being part of an 'environmental lobby' and thus dismiss opinions and evidence with a kind of aloof transitory disdain. 'Oh well never mind what X says, he's part of the environmental lobby'.


I might as easily claim that if less money were spent on the vast sprawling military complex of some countries and were spent on humanitarian aid that the moneysaved could be used to not only save more lives but, create less war. Also I wonder if this quote is suggesting that the money that would be 'saved' if indeed any money is 'saved' should be spent on alleviating poverty? I doubt that is what is being suggested, therefore the anti-environmentalist point seems a bit like an 'anti-environmentalist lobbyists' view.

Just my opinion though.
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I agree completely.

Boston

Originally posted by mike65
A very Dublin discussion this, here outside the pale I've yet to hear or read of any such local authority backed green bin scheme.

Mike.

the only one in my area, was the one that if they tried to force bins on us, they would be rounded up and burnt out.

i joke you not, were one of the few areas that wotn be getting bins because of this. it also makes it easier to tell them to stick their colelction fee

Typedef

http://www.oxigen.ie/faq.html
The most topical question in relation to waste collection is that of charges. The four Dublin Local Authorities decided that there will be no charge for the green bin dry recyclable collection scheme. What has been introduced into Dun Laoghaire / Rathdown County Council is a £150 charge levied on the normal grey refuse bin (yet to be distributed). A similar scheme is being considered by the other three Local Authorities, however, any such scheme being considered has to be ratified by the elected members before being introduced. Although there is no charge for the green bin, and, as mentioned elsewhere on this website, the bin is the property of Oxigen, responsibility for the bin lies with the householder. However, in cases where the bin has been vandalised or stolen, then the bin will be replaced at no charge. Where it can be shown that a householder has been irresponsible, then a £45 charge may be levied.

What exactly is this ubiquitous tax?

Beginning in 1997 Oxigen Environmental Ltd., and the South Dublin County Council entered into a seven year 'private public partnership' whereby Oxigen, working in concert with the council authorities, provides waste management and environmental services for the residents of South Dublin

Typically enough the governmentals are totally neglecting the North Side, what a tert and palyed out motif.

D'Peoples Voice

Great to see Greyhound taking over this service, it was so annoying have to keep bring the plastics to the Recycling centres.

Now if only government could force retailers to sell apples & pears etc in those recycled cardboard boxes that eggs used to be sold in rather than on polystyrene pads wrapped inside a plastic covering. That would even cut down on the amount of plastic that has to be recycled.

mike65

Jebus!

robtri

that is a big jump in dates.... last post 2002!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

D'Peoples Voice

robtri wrote: »

that is a big jump in dates.... last post 2002!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

not much has happened in the world of Green bins since!