about debating....

WhiteWashMan

im quiet curious.
there are a few threads poping up complaining about the moderation of this board of late.
now i read everything in humanities. however, theres been a distinct lack of interesting topics. to be honest im sick of reading rubbish posted by people about not buying stuff, about how awful capitalism is and the afgahn war.
its boring.

but this...
this is interesting.

now, i see it like this. and this is purely a personal view as i see it.
ive been posting here a long time. and im quiet good sometimes at really annoying people. its a passtime.
anyone who take things so seriously on a bullitan board really needs to get out more imho.
so why do people get so worked up when their posts get edited or deleted. well, im sure theres a number of reasons. hell, ive had more posts deleted than all of you put together.

so why are your posts edited in such a manner.
is it your god given right to post whatever you feel like, or do you just think that some moderators like the power of going through the hassle or deleting threads and posts?
or is it purely because people cant be bothered to articulate their point of view?

in fact, why do people continuely say stupid things in posts and ebd up having then deleted.

so i guess the question is, what do you think is reasonable to be posted. mostly i will agree with most mods and their actions. sometimes we all do silly things, but recently there seems to be a spate of stupid posts that are just pretty derogatory to some section of the community. intentional or not.
perhaps we should learn how to be a little bit more subtle with our remarks?
i dont know.
tell me what you think.
in fact, dont just tell me, let everyone know. but please, try and not be disparaging, as i know castor is getting fed up deleting posts

stu_69

QUOTE]Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
im quiet curious.
there are a few threads popping up complaining about the moderation of this board of late.
now I read everything in humanities. however, theres been a distinct lack of interesting topics. to be honest im sick of reading rubbish posted by people about not buying stuff, about how awful capitalism is and the afgahn war.
its boring.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. this board is full of crap at the best of time.

[im quiet good sometimes at really annoying people. its a passtime.

Again I agree you are one of the most annoying people I know

in fact, why do people continually say stupid things in posts and end up having then deleted.

I have been around these boards for about 2 years (the post count doesn't represent this but at the end of the day I don't feel the need to reply to every single post) And I have noticed of late that every time a moderator edits or deletes a post, some muppet posts on the Admin board complaining about Fascism and freedom of speech bollix. A lot of people on the on these boards think they are the dogs proverbials. Someone posts something they don't agree with and they just jump on it and start taking the p!ss.

It reminds of when I first started using the internet years ago(9/10 years ago) and I used to go into the chat rooms and see how quick I could get kicked out by attacking people that attitude seems to exist around here.

I totally agree with the mods actions of late. there seems to be a spate of ar$eholism. I'm not going to name names but there are certain people who are the main culprits across the boards and there are the ones who just stay in certain boards IE Humanities, Music etc.....

so I guess the question is, what do you think is reasonable to be posted.

Who is to say, but most of the time the degoritary(*spelling?)comments are unnecessary.

try and not be disparaging, as i know castor is getting fed up deleting posts

Castor please delete this post —>kiddin

Baz_

Who is to say, but most of the time the degoritary(*spelling?)comments are unnecessary.

hehe I like that MOST of the time, funny.

anyways, what goes and doesn't in posts is personal to everybody, however only a small few have the power to say what goes and doesn't, and I think that everybody does a good job overall (the mods and admins).

I think however the problem arises mainly when people come out of the boards they usually inhabit, where the mod is a wee bit less harsh and suddenly they have new standards placed on them, and then they give it the "set my people free" spiel. Now dont give me the bolix about standards should be just that standards, that all boards and posters share, because different boards need different levels of sensitivity, for example the humanities board right here needs a high level of moderation because its meant to be a board for seriousness. Whereas CS is a little more relaxed, because it's about a game, and people get passionate about games (although lately its been going overboard in the passionate side of things).

The work board also needs hardly any moderation which is how WWman gets to hone his pissing off skillz, and next week he will have a topic on how to seemlessly blend pissing off skills into any CV.;)

But basically each board has its own level, and the moderators set it, and enforce it and thats the way it should be IMHO, I dont think what Castor did was wrong yesterday (talking about yomamma, as I didn't see the logic incident) and I think that thread should have stayed locked because it was inflammatory and bordering on racist, the poster must also think of a proper way to word his posts, and if he doesn't he will soon have a sore wrist (sorry to the ladies but I am using he for the general third person singular) from being slapped that is (ooooh matron).

At the end of the day if a message gets deleted try again in a more constructive manner and see how long it will last that time.

Baz_

Clintons Cat

to be honest the level of personal abuse has risen recently.
Maybe its a sign of the times that anyone who disagrees with a point of veiw is either labelled an anti american lefty or a pro american crypto neo fascist its a lazy way of avoiding having to debate your point of veiw.
This is Not helped by the occasional poster who constantly equates each and every thread topic to the Evil cheesemongers guild international price fixing conspiricy regardless of relevence.
That said the humanities board does have a way of throwing up the occassional curve ball that makes you stop and think just that little bit deeper about a given situation.
The General Quality of posts on Humanities is reletively high and most people over time improve their general standard of behavior.
If there is a fault with boards.ie in general maybe it is that the other boards are a little to permisive of personal abuse.Some posters may feel that language appropriate to CS and the Music Board is acceptable in Humanities.
Castor and Gandalf do a reasonable job given the emotive subjects covered here.





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bonkey

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
anyone who take things so seriously on a bullitan board really needs to get out more imho.

Some people probably arent taking it that seriously, and see their "offended" attitude in the same light as you do your trolling - part of the fun

so why are your posts edited in such a manner.
is it your god given right to post whatever you feel like, or do you just think that some moderators like the power of going through the hassle or deleting threads and posts?
or is it purely because people cant be bothered to articulate their point of view?

Not having had a post edited (yet) that I can remember, I cant honestly say why. I think part of it is that the editing is perceived as being selective. I'm still undecided as to whether or not it is, or even whether or not it should be selective

I mean, if someone is constantly being an inflammatory idiot (I associate the two - sue me), then I would expect the mods to have far less time for them than someone who is mostly rational and occasioanally steps over the line.

Of course, inflammatory-boy in such a case will feel picked on - "I only said this and it got modded, but that <insert insult here> said far worse and he got left alone. Poor me. Sob sob. Opression. Feeedom of speech. Nazis."

You get the picture

in fact, why do people continuely say stupid things in posts and ebd up having then deleted.

They possibly dont think its stupid!

Ive had various rantings described as everything from very good, to pure uneducated drivel - although I dont see most of them as any different in quality myself. So - equally - you could see something as stupid and inflammatory, while I might see it as interesting and provocative.

It generally seems that these are the posts where complaints come from the modding....although the inflammatory-boys often seem to like to whinge at being slapped....usually with more insults. Positive feedback loop, anyone

so i guess the question is, what do you think is reasonable to be posted. mostly i will agree with most mods and their actions. sometimes we all do silly things, but recently there seems to be a spate of stupid posts that are just pretty derogatory to some section of the community. intentional or not.

Hmmm....

What is Reaonable??? Put it like this....If you wouldnt say it to any of your boss, your professor, your teachers or your parents, then it doesnt belong here.

personally, I dislike editing of posts, unless they break really "cast in stone" rules like racism or religious offence. I would rather see a "warning" being given (email, pm or in the forum itself) for occasional offenders, perhaps even asking *them* to edit their own mail (if a practical way of doing so could be done).

Frequent offenders...I dunno...can you put temp bans on people from posting (allow reading, but no posting, for a period of time). A Sin Bin basically.

perhaps we should learn how to be a little bit more subtle with our remarks?

Definitely.

Having been branded as a leftie, an anti-american, a capitalist something-or-other, I would definitely encourage this. It doesnt annoy me that I've been name-called and branded, but I fail to see the use - it adds nothing to a discussion, and usually detracts from it.

Its so easy to insult someone politely Why be nasty about it!

Of course, its nice to be able to call someone a knobdanglinghoorinsmeltmonger too, but not in a rational discussion

As for the topics....they are in a bit of a rut. Maybe we need some new ideas I know....lets pretend France just invaded, ummmm, the Vatican and discuss that

jc

Boston

Debating, why is it people keep talking about it, yet keep going into personal attacks,

JustHalf

Originally posted by Baz_
the poster must also think of a proper way to word his posts, and if he doesn't he will soon have a sore wrist (sorry to the ladies but I am using he for the general third person singular)

"Their" is a perfectly acceptable word to use instead of "his" in that context.

Just letting you know that a genderless word does exist, for those situations where one is desperatly needed (we could always use "heesh" )

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by «Bo§ton»
Debating, why is it people keep talking about it, yet keep going into personal attacks,

and a good example would be?
if your gonna make a point, do it, not just stand in the middle and wave your hands.

Boston

The example are all around, go look.

Someone makes a point, then someone else disagrees, the first person take it personally then before you know both sides become totally closed minded, and it all ends in semantics. Debate, imho is not about the points you make or what side your on, it’s about getting your view across to the other person. The best debates are not the ones were people are brow beaten into agreeing with you, they are the ones were people walk away slightly better informed with a better view on how things are.

So I say again, if your going to talk about wanting a proper debate, then your going to have to be more careful of what you say to other people.

As for an example
“if your gonna make a point, do it, not just stand in the middle and wave your hands”
if I was a sensitive person, a comment like that may or may not change the whole atmosphere of the conversation.

Von

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
why do people continuely say stupid things in posts and ebd up having then deleted.

because people only post stuff when they're drunk. gotta be. i know i do.

GoneShootin

this board also has award for length of individual posts !!

DeVore

Both Gandalf and Castor have our complete confidence.

I know Gandie blows the odd fuse about stuff *grin* but to be honest if it were me i think I'd have banned half of ye by now.

Seriously, people should be aware that they are talking to another person and not be offensive.

You DO REALISE that boards.ie has an IGNORE function. If you dont want to read **** from someone, consider IGNORING them.

I know I wish *I* could


DeV.

Evil Phil

I am quite new to boards.ie, I've only been here since March of this year (I think). The thing I love about boards is you get so many different opinions that you carry with you 'off line'. It does make you aware that your own opinion is only that, your own opinion. Set in stone by God on the Mount it isn't and people don't have to agree with it. I can accept that, mostly, if not I'll argue but I won't call people names.

I think CT does an upstanding job and has the busiest and most difficult board to moderate so hats off to him. It's been my experience that he only steps in when he has to, and then only when it's needed. A lot of the posts in Admin complaining about this and that don't give evidence to back up the claims which is suspect. DeVore has said 'Boards is not a democracy, if you don't like it go somewhere else' and the boards users need to listen to this. That includes us moderators.

Personally I'd bring back the Karma system, but I'm a facist that way

Baz_

Originally posted by JustHalf
"Their" is a perfectly acceptable word to use instead of "his" in that context.

Just letting you know that a genderless word does exist, for those situations where one is desperatly needed (we could always use "heesh" )

Yes but their is also perfectly acceptable for third person plural, so to avoid confusion etc. etc.