Ok Without Stepping on Anyone's Toe's

MS

1. What is happening ? Is there a 'Go Slow' or what ?

2. Is there any more happening on the Eircom Blackout that i might have missed ?

3. Can i help in some way ?

4. I used to get a frequent Newsletter/Update from IrelandOffLine. Has this stopped now or is it something i deleted in error ?

I am only asking... i am not trying to piss anyone off or otherwise ok. Things just seem a bit slow thats all.

Regards,

MS

dahamsta

1. What is happening ? Is there a 'Go Slow' or what ?

IrelandOffline is involved in political lobbying at the moment. Also, Martin is busy with his business, and Elena is busy being with child.

2. Is there any more happening on the Eircom Blackout that i might have missed ?

The blackout will be announced on Tuesday.

3. Can i help in some way ?

I dunno, what can you do?

4. I used to get a frequent Newsletter/Update from IrelandOffLine. Has this stopped now or is it something i deleted in error ?

This has stopped because there's not a whole lot we can release at the moment. You'll probably get one next week, and if the blackout gets coverage, it'll probably become more regular again.

I am only asking... i am not trying to piss anyone off or otherwise ok. Things just seem a bit slow thats all.

They are, but they're not as slow as they appear.

adam

MS

Thanks Martin


MS

PS Looks like me n u are Vampires hehehe

MS

SORRY!!

i ment Adam...

I was talking to Martin (not the guy u know) on MSM at the same time i was typeing this.

Regards,

MS

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by dahamsta
IrelandOffline is involved in political lobbying at the moment.

Can you be more specific please?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
Can you be more specific please?

I don't want them to be too specific if it means giving the game away to other parties who will be lobbying in the other direction. I'm happy so long as the lobbying is along the lines of stated goals of IrelandOffline. Just my 2 cents.

Trojan

Originally posted by SkepticOne
I don't want them to be too specific if it means giving the game away to other parties who will be lobbying in the other direction. I'm happy so long as the lobbying is along the lines of stated goals of IrelandOffline. Just my 2 cents.

Agreed, especially considering that's the Errorcom muppet we saw before posing the question.

Al.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by Trojan


Agreed, especially considering that's the Errorcom muppet we saw before posing the question.

Al.

I shall assume you're talking about me.

I do not work for/with or have any associations with Eircom.

If you have evidence to the contrary please present it. If not then please retract your allegation.

logic1

Originally posted by Trojan


Agreed, especially considering that's the Errorcom muppet we saw before posing the question.

Al.

Originally posted by muchos_bongo


I shall assume you're talking about me.

I do not work for/with or have any associations with Eircom.

If you have evidence to the contrary please present it. If not then please retract your allegation.

Well Al clearly said "Errorcom". Not sure where you assumed he implied you're working for Eircom. I certainly don't see it.

If you have evidence to the contrary please present it. If not then please retract your allegation.

Why don't you get the "Errorcom" legal department to draft him off a threathening letter?

.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


Why don't you get the "Errorcom" legal department to draft him off a threathening letter?[/B]

And lower myself to the level of the author of the errorcom site? How then, could I be taken seriously?

Sure it's the actions and inactions of people like this (and the incumbant) that have forever ruined BBW in this country.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


Why don't you get the "Errorcom" legal department to draft him off a threathening letter?[/B]

And lower myself to the level of the author of the errorcom site? How then, could I be taken seriously?

Sure it's the actions and inactions of people like this (and the incumbant) that have forever ruined the chances of BBW in this country.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
Sure it's the actions and inactions of people like this (and the incumbant) that have forever ruined the chances of BBW in this country.

Please explain. What does a site satirising Eircom advertising have to do with broadband wireless?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
How then, could I be taken seriously?

You might consider making your case in a clear logical manner and giving up the petty sniping.

logic1

Originally posted by muchos_bongo


How then, could I be taken seriously?

From your current state of zero credibility you mean?

.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by SkepticOne
You might consider making your case in a clear logical manner and giving up the petty sniping.

I thought I did???

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=33891

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


From your current state of zero credibility you mean?

.logic.

I only answer to my peers, of which you are not one.

logic1

Originally posted by muchos_bongo


I only answer to my peers, of which you are not one.

I'm glad you recognise my superiority.

.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


I'm glad you recognoise my superiority.

.logic.

Petty sniping time then?

The Irish people should be so proud that you have appointed yourself(selves) as their representative(s). Luckily they have people as knowledgeable as yourself to guide them.

dahamsta

Cut out the sniping please folks, it's achieving nothing. If you feel the need to continue, take it off the board please.

In answer to your question muchos_bongo, no, I'm afraid I can't be more specific, for the reason ScepticOne stated. When/if concrete action takes place because of our lobbying, we'll release information.

Thanks,
adam

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by dahamsta
Cut out the sniping please folks, it's achieving nothing. If you feel the need to continue, take it off the board please.

OK

In answer to your question muchos_bongo, no, I'm afraid I can't be more specific, for the reason ScepticOne stated. When/if concrete action takes place because of our lobbying, we'll release information.

Thanks,
adam

And why not? Do you not represent the Irish internet user? Are you not an open body? Am I, as a member of irelandoffline, not entitled to know?

logic1

Originally posted by muchos_bongo


Petty sniping time then?

The Irish people should be so proud that you have appointed yourself(selves) as their representative(s). Luckily they have people as knowledgeable as yourself to guide them.

Again due to your apparent lack of any sort of coherency I'm not entirely sure what your referring to here.

Representative of what exactly? Are you taking a general shot at the Ireland Offline People here because I'm personally not an Ireland Offline representative in any way or is your badly though out cheap shot directed at boards.ie?


.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


Again due to your apparent lack of any sort of coherency I'm not entirely sure what your referring to here.

Representative of what exactly? Are you taking a general shot at the Ireland Offline People here because I'm personally not an Ireland Offline representative in any way or is your badly though out cheap shot directed at boards.ie?


.logic.

I am going to respect the wishes of dahamsta and am not going to continue this conversation except to reiterate the question I asked above re lobbying.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
I thought I did???

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=33891

Really? You appear to be suggesting in that thread that IrelandOffline bullied the ODTR into opening up certain spectrum ranges without having any evidence to support the claim. Hardly logical.

Your complaint seems to be that IrelandOffline does not support licenced wireless Internet at certain spectrum ranges and is somehow hindering its developement. And yet until prompted, all you did was complain about censorship and Eircom parody sites. Why did you not mention it before?

muchos_bongo

My comment was that in my opinion irelandoffline does not represent the people it proports to represent. It is not aware of the political or technical process needed to provide BB to this country and seems to be completely oblivious of the commercial aspect.

logic1

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
My comment was that in my opinion irelandoffline does not represent the people it proports to represent. It is not aware of the political or technical process needed to provide BB to this country and seems to be completely oblivious of the commercial aspect.

Do you think you'd be better able to represent the needs of the people?

Have you the technical and political abilities and resources to help them?

Why not offer suggestions/assistance?

.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


Do you think you'd be better able to represent the needs of the people?

Yes.

Have you the technical and political abilities and resources to help them?

Yes.

Why not offer suggestions/assistance?

For reasons I do not wish to divulge in an open forum I cannot.

logic1

For reasons I do not wish to divulge in an open forum I cannot.

Doesn't stop you from being utterly unhelpful in an open forum though.

You obviously, according to your own admission are adamant that you're not going to offer any sort of help to Ireland Offline so why perisist posting here?

.logic.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


Doesn't stop you from being utterly unhelpful in an open forum though.

Critisism never hurt anybody.

You obviously, according to your own admission are adamant that you're not going to offer any sort of help to Ireland Offline so why perisist posting here?

.logic.

In an open forum surely I can proffer opinion?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
My comment was that in my opinion irelandoffline does not represent the people it proports to represent. It is not aware of the political or technical process needed to provide BB to this country and seems to be completely oblivious of the commercial aspect.

No that is not what you were saying in that thread. If you meant it, you expressed it very poorly. You claim to have political skills. Being able to express yourself clearly is very important in the political arena.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=33891

I am glad you are not on the IrelandOffline committee. As an Internet user, I am glad you are not representing me.

seamus

Hopefully this trollfest will end soon, and just for clarification, I'm not going to post a second reply in this forum, it would be a waste of my time, but muchos_bongo - How can you crticise adam and the IOFFL crew for not giving you enough information/updates, when your last answers to 3 valid questions were; 'Yes', 'Yes', and 'For reasons I do not wish to divulge in an open forum I cannot.' Your first two answers here are valid, but give absolutely no information whatsoever. And your third answer is exactly what you have been told by adam as to the reason they will not give you any more info on what is happening. Stop being hypocritical, and stop bugging them.

And btw, as an IOffl member, you're entitled to squat. Did you pay them anything for your membership? No. What makes you think you're entitled to know what they are doing?

seamus

SkepticOne

Duplicate deleted

muchos_bongo

SkepticOne> I was being fascious. It's a debating method.

seamus> Does irelandoffline not represent it's membership?

To expand on your comments regarding mine.

I have worked in the industry for over five years and have extensive ISP, BB and ODTR experience. I have lobbied the ODTR and various government departments in the past.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
SkepticOne> I was being fascious. It's a debating method.

Has it worked for you before?

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by SkepticOne

Has it worked for you before?

I admit I may have been a bit 'in your face' but I am trying to facilitate a reasonable conversation here. So, I will not pandy to your bait and 'troll' (in it's most frequently used incorrect incarnation).

Delphi91

Would somebody PLEASE shut this thread!

Mike

Mountjoy Mugger

I have lobbied the ODTR and various government departments in the past.

Successfully? Or was it the "in your face" method you employ here?

logic1

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
To expand on your comments regarding mine.

I have worked in the industry for over five years and have extensive ISP, BB and ODTR experience. I have lobbied the ODTR and various government departments in the past.

I assume you refuse to post any proof of your claims to a "public forum". :rolleyes:

.logic.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
I admit I may have been a bit 'in your face' but I am trying to facilitate a reasonable conversation here. So, I will not pandy to your bait and 'troll' (in it's most frequently used incorrect incarnation).

One way to facilitate a reasonable conversation is by not being facetious. That only irritates people. If you have specific points to make about wireless Internet, you should come out and say them. Why not create a new topic on the subject where you explain how it would work? At least there would be something to debate. Please don't complain that you are not being represented when you are not making you views known.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by logic1


I assume you refuse to post any proof of your claims to a "public forum". :rolleyes:

.logic.

Correct. But would be happy to take this offline with the appropriate people.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by SkepticOne
One way to facilitate a reasonable conversation is by not being facetious. That only irritates people. If you have specific points to make about wireless Internet, you should come out and say them. Why not create a new topic on the subject where you explain how it would work? At least there would be something to debate.

Fair point. Will collate an article so.

Please don't complain that you are not being represented when you are not making you views known.

I am not complaining that I am not being represented. I make my own argument. My complaint is that the Irish Internet Community is not being represented fairly.

I will reference these points in a thread in the near future.

logic1

That'd certainly be some progress. If any of the "appropriate" people would like to step in?

.logic.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
My complaint is that the Irish Internet Community is not being represented fairly.

Who are they? Do you mean the ISPs, web developers, telcos?

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by SkepticOne
Who are they? Do you mean the ISPs, web developers, telcos?

Joe Soap. The guy at the end of the line. After all, without them the Internet as we know it today would not exist. They are our customers.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by muchos_bongo
Joe Soap. The guy at the end of the line. After all, without them the Internet as we know it today would not exist. They are our customers.

Our customers?

DeVore

*growl*

I dislike anonymous people, particularly those who snipe from cover. M_B I know where you work. We log all ips here and can cross reference ips to previous postsers (to see if someone has multiple accounts) and a single account to all the IPs its ever used. (gotta love SQL).

Dont make me spank you, if you have something to add , add it. If you just came here to bitch about people who are trying something, f-off. If you think you can do it better... get off your arse and see how you like it when everyone bitches at you.

DeVore.

Dustaz

Muchos_bongo, the day you represent me in anything will be the day they make gimp throwing legal in this country.

Shinji

Joe Soap. The guy at the end of the line. After all, without them the Internet as we know it today would not exist. They are our customers.

I'm simultaneously amused and appalled that you can refer to Internet consumers in such a condescending manner while claiming that you could in some way "represent" these people better than IOFFL is doing.

All you have "represented" so far on these forums is your own petty ego. You talk about your vast experience and lobbying like it's somehow unusual, and the people you're talking to are children. Wake up, buddy. I can scan down this thread and see a hell of a lot of names of people who have a hell of a lot more experience of dealing with IT, net and telecommunications issues over the past decade or more than you do.

If you genuinely have suggestions as to how the severe problems facing the development of data communications and internet growth in Ireland can be solved through consumer representation, state them. Put up or shut up; your posturing simply makes you look like an arrogant but ultimately shockingly unimportant fool, and nothing more. Indeed, based on your self-important attitude, I shall place a hefty wager that you are simply an inadequate little man whose ISP experience is working on a first level helpdesk, whose BB experience is being a DSL triallist, and whose ODTR lobbying experience is that you once wrote them a pompously worded letter expounding your ill founded beliefs about how the Irish Internet consumer wishes to be represented, which was promptly chucked in the bin unread by an underpaid civil servant desperate for his next cigarette break.

The Clown Man

ROFL, sorry about this but ...


GIMP THROWING SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!!


Anyway:

M_B the whole point of the IOFFL is to try and help the average Joe Soap. They are good at what they do IMO and I'm glad that they are doing it. If you *believe* that you can add a more helpful approach to the cause then why sit on your áss and complain. Your obviously high opinion of yourself is doing nothing but irritating people. If you truely are deserved of it then why not actually prove that you are a useful person to have around.

I do not doubt your claims of having experience in this field but your claims must be directed somewhere; you say that you are an expert but you critisise and do not help. You may as well be another pleb in the backround if your expertise are going to waste. And until that expertise is actually made use of then you are going to be considered not just a pleb but an irritating pleb.

I'm sure that the IOFFL crew would be happy to see another approach to their own; in the end it is what both you and they are looking for that matters (you said yourself that you do support the cause). It is very easy to critisise and complain but helping is another matter entirely. If you were to approach the IOFFL in a reasonable manner and point out better ways to lobby then why not do that.

I personally do believe in your expertise and do believe that you were on close contact with eircom at some stage. Your references to the general customer classes that eircom use betray you. Maybe these classes are widely known by all now - I don't know, but I would suspect that you also know what TE/COR classes are which would mean that you either worked for them or you worked with them. Again - I don't know. These may be widely used amoung this community atm and I wouldn't have a clue. I am not an active member of the group.

I do see however a man who has the potential to help and simply takes the easier option - to critisise and be negative. Please do not boast your knowledge and hold yourself above everyone and take an active role in what we all seek to achieve. Boasting and critisising without explaination or reason achieves absolutely nothing.

This is the last time I will look at this thread. I dont want to know your opinions or answer your returned questions. Just think about it or rid your mind of the entire thing. Up to you.

muchos_bongo

Originally posted by DeVore
*growl*

I dislike anonymous people<snip>

If you know my IP address then you know why I remain anon. My opinions are my own and not necessarily those of my employer.

Trojan

Originally posted by muchos_bongo


If you know my IP address then you know why I remain anon. My opinions are my own and not necessarily those of my employer.

What opinions? Oh, sorry, those you can't post on a public forum?

Some of us are getting sick and tired of your pathetic whinging and absolute stupidity. Go post somewhere else, you were fun to flame for a while, but now you're just annoying.

If you really want to stay here and make an actual contribution, register a new nick, and don't be such a pompous ass next time.

You won't get respect from any quarter if you keep using this muchos_muppetus nick, nor will your new online persona if we find out your previous incarnation.

One other thing, don't bother with the reply-and-quote for this post, this thread is spammed enough as it is, and I already know what kind of pathetic drivel you're going to answer with anyway.

Cheers & don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Al.

dahamsta

Can I lock this thread yet?

adam