Verizon & 2600.com any ideas..

Cabaal

Maybe by posting this I'm giving people ideas but for those that don't know.
2600 The Hacker Quarterly @ www.2600.com registered verizonreallysucks.com (because well it does according to them)

Soon after 2600 reged it Verizon sued 2600 saying they had no right to the domain, now if those that don't know 2600 has a fair big following on the net and off the net so readers of 2600 decided to help.

Basically to cut it short in the (Volume Seventeen, Number Two) Summer 2000 Editon of 2600 magazine they printed a 2 page spread with nothing but domains
domains such as verizonshouldspendmoremoneyonservicesandlessonlawyers.com verizonistotalcrap.com verizonnetservices.com and so on
In total over 100 domain names with the name verizon in them
Shortly after Verizon droped the case against 2600

It just goes to show big companys don't always win..

and for any EirCON people reading this, this is in NO WAY linked to work irelandoffline is doing.

Giblet

Yes the reason that company might get mad at them is because
it used their trade name in a deflammetory manner
eg: if we were to use eircomsucks.com, they'd have a right to be mad coz no matter how much we think eircom suck, some people dont so its not a valid claim*

BUT>

if we were say to reg a domain name like
ITHINKEIRCOMSUCKS.COM

Its my opinion that indeed eircom suck

So unless the judge is MR. Ilobh Aircombe

nothing could happen, as we *ALL* allowed to have our own opinion

*even though they do suck

P R O F A N I T Y

Giblet, what are you talking about.

Freedom of speach is what it is, you have a god given right to say X sucks Y sucks, if you think so. **** what anybody else thinks, its not the majority rule.

dahamsta

You can't register eircomsucks.com anyway, because it's already registered by a certain "prem group" of baggott street. If you do a little digging, you'll find some lovely "coincidences".

adam

Giblet

the point is eircom could get a site like eircomsucks.com taken down
with the excuse "its deflammotary against our company, we and our shareholders happen to think eircom do not suck"

it happens all the time, but a website like ithinkeircomsucks.com
is freedom of speech and the person who owns the domain name opinion

can u read?

Cabaal

Now for example if I was to reg ihateeircomcausetheydontprovideasdlhere.com thats a valid domain for me to reg
its not like some Eircom customer is going to see that and go oh that must be the URL for the Eircom site

basically when it comes down to it, we can reg any domain we like because unless Eircom reg every single domain with the word eircom in it they can't stop us if we want to do what 2600 did

Did I mention it would cost them a insane amount of money to reg all the domains to stop us

Giblet

Yes my point exactly
cept that something like
EVERY_ONE_AT_EIRCOM_IS_GAY.com

could probably get taken down by eircom

kendragon

Dont worry Cabaal, if you've seen the amount of money they're spending on their "floggin a dead mouse" er... i mean High-speed and ADSL adverts on tv, mags, websites and Billboards (have i left anything out?) for a product that may never see the light of day. then it would be nothing for them to register hundreds of domain names that scare them.

Cabaal

Well considering .com/,net/.org domains can now have upto 35 (afaik) characters in them it would take ALOT of reging to get rid if every domain that the word eircom could be in.

But then again eircom are excellent at wasting the money we pay them.
So I suppose it could happen..

Cabaal

If making fun of a company is so bad and you can be sued for it why aren;t sites like satirewire.com sued almost every day?

I don't think there's a thing Eircom can do about the mirrors, its only making fun, satirewire does it and even the reg does it and I think anyone else that looks at the site (besides Eircom execs) finds it funny.

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Originally posted by kendragon
if you've seen the amount of money they're spending on their "floggin a dead mouse" er... i mean High-speed and ADSL adverts on tv, mags, websites and Billboards (have i left anything out?)

Just about any and everything @ landsowne road yesterday- barring the urinals I think??

I thought it was a disgrace that everytime the Phrase "Repulic of Ireland" was announced it was followed by €ircom.
"Welcome to the Group 2 World Cup qualifying match between The Rep. Of Ireland sponsored by €ircom and Cyprus"
Since when is there a natioanl soverign state called the "The Rep. Of Ireland sponsored by €ircom"
I dont think that should be allowed- I mean its my country and I dont want it being bandied about w/ those shower of fúckers in the same sentence (sorry for the OTT but I'm mad about this)

Oh And BTW Also they also sponsored the recent dublin theatre festival-

Giblet

The just care about their name and thats it
they dont fu*k about the people who use eircom
I wonder if i go abroad will people go

foreign guy:Hey were u from
Me: Eh Ireland
foreign guy: Ireland ? isn't that sponsered by Eircom


It'd be great it we got a deal to put ERRORCOM as a sponsor
for ROI

dahamsta

the point is eircom could get a site like eircomsucks.com taken down with the excuse "its deflammotary against our company, we and our shareholders happen to think eircom do not suck" it happens all the time, but a website like ithinkeircomsucks.com
is freedom of speech and the person who owns the domain name opinion

I was making a point of my own for the general consumption of the group.

can u read?

Is that rhetorical? Here's another one: Can you walk after I break your legs? Less of the sarcasm please.

adam

Cabaal

I wouldn't rule out urinals just yet,
Anyone ever hear of this new thing called view-urinals

Coming soon to a urinal near you the shagging EirCON mouse flying across the screen with that annoying music!

dahamsta

If making fun of a company is so bad and you can be sued for it why aren;t sites like satirewire.com sued almost every day?

Well, they probably are. To draw a parallel in the print media, The Phoenix is satirical, and they get sued on a weekly basis. The difference is that The Phoenix is responsible for authoring the articles, whereas we don't - well, I don't - even know who the author of this site is.

I don't think there's a thing Eircom can do about the mirrors, its only making fun, satirewire does it and even the reg does it and I think anyone else that looks at the site (besides Eircom execs) finds it funny.

This is closer to the bone for Eircom though, since the entire work satirises them. And it's distributed, it's getting more and more mirrors by the day. As I've said, the intelligent thing to do is nothing, because legal action will just draw wider attention to it, and so the wider issues, and maybe even IrelandOffline. If it continues though, I'm not sure they'll be able to resist. It's already starting to spread - we seem to have a lot of new users, or at least previously quiet users - coming in here to make comment.

adam

b20uvkft6m5xwg

If they start to sponsor urinals then I can imagine there may be alot of ppl aiming for the mouse rather than the bowl on the wall;)

I dont even want to think the fun I could have if ever I had TWIN JETS:D

Giblet

I was just rephrasing my original post.
and the "can u read" statement was because u were asking what i was talking about, and as it was pretty obvious.... well u know

i could walk it'd be pretty painful and funny to watch

SkepticOne

Originally posted by 80project
If they start to sponsor urinals then I can imagine there may be alot of ppl aiming for the mouse rather than the bowl on the wall;)

Eircom would really be taking the p*ss if they did that.

Cabaal

I'm kinda new
not a fan of messageboards preffer newsgroups, been on ie.comp for years.

Who will they takle legal action against?
Taking action against the author would only bring alot of attention on them because he did'ent ask people to make mirrors, yeah he mad the first site but they did shut it down and thats the end as far as he's concerned I think.

There's no way they can shutdown every mirror. Mirrors in UK, US and Russia, I hear its very heard get anything shut down in Russia

Yeah its getting attention but I believe its good, the site has some truth to it, we all know ASDL is insanly overpriced atleast if it had no limit on it people *might* consider getting it but as is its a total joke!

I think its great that people are learning the some facts about what eircom have to offer (basically they have nothing good, and anything thats any good is beyond a normal users reach)

As for the view-urinals, yeah would be fun aiming for that mouse
Doubt they'll last in Ireland, one swift kick to the screen and it'll be dead or damaged in some way

dahamsta

and the "can u read" statement was because u were asking what i was talking about, and as it was pretty obvious.... well u know

Ah, but that was the post above mine, by P R O F A N I T Y. So now I have to throw it right back atcha - can you read?

adam

P R O F A N I T Y

Originally posted by Giblet
the point is eircom could get a site like eircomsucks.com taken down
with the excuse "its deflammotary against our company, we and our shareholders happen to think eircom do not suck"

it happens all the time, but a website like ithinkeircomsucks.com
is freedom of speech and the person who owns the domain name opinion

can u read?

No they cant, that’s the whole point of freedom of speech. You cant have something banned because you don’t like what it says. If its untrue yes, but not if its clearly a parody or in a none serious faction. Like “eircom directors take it up the ass” but not said in such away as to be blocked, it may be extremely offensive but tuff ****.

P R O F A N I T Y

You all seem to think we live in nazi germany, they dont have a legal basis for this.

One a average person, of sound body and mind, doesnt believe the statement is true then your ok.

You would have to be nuts to think theirs a 100% gay workforce in eircom. Monkeys dont normally go that way. so satire is not illegal. if it was half the comedy programs would be banned. first to go would be bull island

Giblet

Hmm i made a big mistake dahmasta
as u guessed i replied a bit to late, so as to make it look like i replied to you
and yes i can read but am too lazy to read names
:)

Giblet

cabbal:
Soon after 2600 reged it Verizon sued 2600 saying they had no right to the domain


P R O F A N I T Y it worked
see
its just that 2600 reged so many names after it.
the company couldn't sue ALL the domain name hosts

there two types of freedom of speech

one is and for some reason is perfectly ok?
u could ask a little 3 yr old on a chat room to marry you and
other things which are far more disgusting than that
and get away with it.

but ringing them up IS NOT RIGHT

so you see due to the many laws it could happen that if a company saw
it fit to take action against a person who hosts a domain name like
eircomsucksmyfatoneandisownedbysh*tbags.com

and get it taken down
they could no questions asked
and if you say "OH FREEDOM OF SPEECH"
they'd laugh

my original point was to bend this little fact by
putting up a FACTUAL website
eg:
www.whyweregettingscrewedinireland.com

and start complaining then
like Oh eircom is a bunch of liers coz they lied about ASDL
which they did
thats freedom of speech
you could even start saying that u think there assholes
the rules can be bent but not bypassed

why do you think websites such as whitneyhousten.com
got given back to her

coz she had the money

P R O F A N I T Y

no offence but you show a clear lack of understanding as to how this works. Nothing was given back to her. she had to buy it, you have every right to what ever domain name you want for what ever reason. People buy up domains and then sell them on, what did you think she when to court and won it in a court battle, cop on man, she bought it back.

Giblet

The she had the money thing was to do with her being able to win the case with top notch team of laywers (not thats she'd need them)

it was given to her
i was reading stuff about it today

It was given to her because it was plainly obvious that there were just using the name and the content of the website was porn so it was deflammortarty to her name
she didn't buy it cos the guys were asking too much
and she wasn't gonna give in
she didn't have to go to court to buy it
what kinda stupid logic is that
i thought that'd be the most obvious thing in the post
i could imagine it now

judge: i declare that that the domain should be sold to whitney
whitney: wow i better give em the money now
guys who regged name:wooohoooo!!!

they dont give a boll*x who they sell it on to
its all about money and they didn't get a penny
so she went to court and got it back herself with handing over anymore money (beside the legal fees)

P R O F A N I T Y

Load of bull for a number of reasons

1. A judge intervening because a product is over prices, come on, its America, I might believe it if they had refused to sell.
2. If that were true, what about thewhitehouse.com
3. Its extremely hard to issue a mandatory sale order.
4. even if it did happen it might not have been in keeping with the actual law
5. This is all beside the point, if we did make a site, eircom would have to be extremely stupid to sue us over it. Because as you know, once something is banned, everyone see its, and it would draw huge amounts of attention to eircoms bad points

Giblet

Keeping it within the law is my point exactly
Errorcom was taken down due to it being against eircom
and slightly changing logos and whatever
we should make a website within the Law
about eircom
a protest if you will
i might get on it actually
anyone got any contributions
besides just going to irelandoffline.com
i want an eircom specific protest website

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Giblet
Keeping it within the law is my point exactly
Errorcom was taken down due to it being against eircom
and slightly changing logos and whatever
we should make a website within the Law
about eircom

How do you know the current Errorcom site is not within the law. AFAIK, all the site owner got was a letter from Eircom's solicitors.

P R O F A N I T Y

“Keeping it within the law is my point exactly
Errorcom was taken down due to it being against eircom”
Who exactly do you think did that? Do you think eircom rushed to the courts and within 8 hours had a mandate to remove the site, hell no. As far as I can tell the owner got a message saying they would sue his ass and he remove it, so he did.

Win or loose, eircom sue you your in for a world of hurt, and that’s why these sites come down.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by P R O F A N I T Y
?Keeping it within the law is my point exactly
Errorcom was taken down due to it being against eircom?
Who exactly do you think did that? Do you think eircom rushed to the courts and within 8 hours had a mandate to remove the site, hell no. As far as I can tell the owner got a message saying they would sue his ass and he remove it, so he did.

Win or loose, eircom sue you your in for a world of hurt, and that?s why these sites come down.

I am not denying that it takes bravery to stand up to threats from Eircom's lawyers but I have yet to see any evidence that the site is outside the law.

Giblet

i gather from these posts that none of us understands the law about this issue, maybe thats why the site was taken down in the first place, because he didn't know were he stood.

I doubt they could do much about the website as it dosen't actually say eircom even though it's an obvious parody,
maybe he should have left it up just to see what'd happen:)

all the talk here is "Just in case" talk
if you get my meaning