iRiver or iPod ?

Anselm

Any techies out there - need help !

Am going travelling next year, love music, so obv am thinking of buying an iPod or an iRiver - i know a fair bit about ipods but feck all about iRivers -
Whats the advantages of one over the other ?

What one is the best ? Most Durable ? Easier to use ?

And is it true the iRiver has a radio ?

djk1000

Yes iRiver has a radio. I am a commited iPod owner, in fact I have two, a 20gb iPOD and a 4gb nano. I have to say the iPOD's are cooler but I'm pretty subjective. If you're travelling I'd say you'll need an iPOD with a big harddrive because updating and adding music to it on the move may not be practicle. You can also get more accesories for the iPOD like a radio adapter and a tough case.

cormie

Think about it.. the only reason you have even heard of iRiver is because it's a better player. I'm guessing you haven't heard of the Xclef brand, this is because it's not a great player. Amongst all the trend and marketting and advertising and the way iPod is the "Hoover" of MP3 players, you have heard of iRiver who do no marketting or anything over here. The simple reason for this is because people talk about it because it's a better player. If the iPod was actually a better player and the best out there you wouldn't really hear of any competition at all because all the people who do research what they buy would come to the conclusion that the iPod is the best, if it was, so the competition wouldn't get much respect, unless it was better, which it is, which is why you have heard of iRiver.

You can wait for more replies but the conclusion from all iPod -vs- iRiver threads is that if you want a basic mp3 player that looks sleek and is fashionable and you're prepared to sacrifice extra functionality, more money and an all round better player, then go for the iPod.

The reason you get people voting against the iPod isn't because they hate apple or anything (well maybe some do) but it's simply because you asked and they are trying to advise you against a monopoly fashionable, well marketed product and for the one that is better value and well, just better.

The only reason I have ever backed up iRiver in these types of thread is because they are a better player and were the best until the iAudio X5 was released. However, the iRiver H1XX series is actually now the best (again) as it has rockbox on it. When I say the H1XX is the best, I mean it's the best MP3 player, it doesn't play videos but it has the most options for mp3 playback and best functionality with the hardware and software now. The iRiver H3XX series and the iAudio X5 will also be host to rockbox, but it will take a few months before they are implemented. In terms of an MP3 player (not video, photo viewer etc) the H1XX will still be slightly better than the H3XX or the X5 as it has better hardware options (optical out playing a big part).

Just remember, the reason this thread exists is because there are better players than the iPod.:cool:

aaf

I have an iRiver myself and it's great. Supports all file formats. It's an older model so doesn't have colour screen but that doesn't bother me in the slightest. I would advise you get an Cowon iAudio X5 or X5L (double battery life) as they are probably the best HD MP3 player on the market at the moment and an ideal partner for your travels. My sis got one a few weeks ago and the real selling point is that it can connect directly to a digital camera so you can transfer your pics from your camera without the need for a PC. You'll have to check the cowon.com website to for camera compatibility. Comes in 20GB - 60GB flavours. Nice and small too. Depends on how much you're willing to spend but imo, it's worth it.

Creamy Goodness

if you're travelling you'll need something with a good battery life, which rules the iPod out completely

when i had an ipod i used it about 30minutes a day to and from college and it needed to be charged every three days.

whereas with my iriver i now have a longer journey 1hour 30 minutes and it doesn't need to be charged for two weeks.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

iriver.
i need not say more

D

Got an iRiver H320, think it's great use it for music, e-books, radio, file storage for college and other stuff, and for videos, although you will have to reformat the videos.

Edwardius

I'll echo cormie's post. I bought a H320 for the same reason and haven't looked back. If I had the choice tomorrow I'd be pissed because they don't make them anymore! It really depends on what you want though. I think

http://www.misticriver.net should cater for all your irivery needs and http://www.iaudiophile.net for your iaudio needs.

Wouldn't hold out too long for rockbox on the 320 because I think they only started developing it recently.

Bard

I bought an iAudio X5L 30GB... big enough hard drive, extensive set of features, fantastic sound quality, 35 hour battery life ... best toy I ever bought myself. Better quality and easier to use than the iRiver. Leaves the iPod in its dust.

cormie

The X5 is undoubtedly the best out of the box DAP (digital audio player) out there at the moment. If price isn't an issue and you want a bit more than DAP (USB on the go, photo viewer, video playback etc) and are willing to sacrifice more audio playback options, that yes, you may never have use for, definitely go for the X5, it is pricey though. If you want the most functional DAP (audio wise) then try and find a second hand iRiver H120 (20GB) or H140 (40GB).

One main feature of RockBox on the H1XX is crossfading tracks into eachother, makes your listening experience so much better, especially at the likes of parties if you have a few people up dancing, the music is just non stop. It's great:)

Better quality and easier to use than the iRiver.

What do you mean better quality? Ease of use is just down to getting use to it. I can't compare them both as I haven't used the X5 so it could well be easier to use indeed. Rockbox with iRiver takes some getting used to but it's very easy to use once you know how:)

I think it's safe to say your original question has been answered anyway. iPods are far more popular than any other brand yet look at the replies.

melekalikimaka

rule of thumb...if its white, its a load of sh1te

Kabuto

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that not everyone who buys the ipod is a sheep. Find me a 30gig player as small as the Ipod with a QVGA screen for anywhere near the same price and i'll be convinced otherwise

Waltons

Having never owned an iPod myself I don't really want to say anything about the pros or cons but I would definitely recommend the iRiver.
I've got a H320 myself and I'd echo what D said. Lovely player and I'd trust the rest of their merchandise too

Guy:Incognito

Kabuto wrote:

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that not everyone who buys the ipod is a sheep. Find me a 30gig player as small as the Ipod with a QVGA screen for anywhere near the same price and i'll be convinced otherwise

It's an mp3 player , why do you need a qvga screen. I know loads of people who ran out and bought the ipod photo when it came out, not one ofthem has ever put a photo on it. I love the old "it looks great" (not form yourself) arguement, because all you ever see of an mp3 player is the headphones, they live in the pocket.

HomunQlus

To make it short: iPod is crap.

Why? It looks cool doesn't it? Yes it does. In fact, damn cool, timeless design factor. But not everything that sparkles is gold you know.

I bought an iRiver H320 after iSold my iPod 3G 20GB. Here's my comparison:

iPod

Pros:

- Stylish design factor
- Longest battery life
- Vivid display
- Fits into any pocket (especially "nano")
- Current models do play videos in certain formats

Cons:

- Housing looks bad after a few touches
- Housing scratches easily (Apple knows this by the way)
- Can't play WMA
- No radio tuner and/or microphone
- Accessories are relatively expensive
- Current models do not support FireWire (:eek: )
- Absolutely DEPENDANT on iTunes


iRiver

Pros:

- All features from current iPod models (except long videos)
- Built-in Radio tuner
- Built-in microphone
- Can encode from radio and microphone into MP3 in real time
- Supports many equalizer functions, you can also set your own
- Can play WMA
- Firmware upgradable
- Completely platform INDEPENDENT, every computer that supports USB supports this player
- Files can be downloaded from other devices directly without a PC in between

Cons:

- Form factor not as stylish as iPod
- Weighs a bit more than iPod
- Doesn't have corners as round as from iPod
- No FireWire
- No 'Clickwheel'


====================

I stick to my iRiver, and I don't look back. I'm not gonna buy an iPod, even if it can record video in DivX with a built-in camera or whatnot. iPod is crap, and that's my opinion.

muckwarrior

cormie wrote:

Ease of use is just down to getting use to it.

Heh. Actually thats exactly what it isn't! If you need to "get used" to it, or god forbid, you need to read the manual, then it's not easy to use! An mp3 player isn't a spaceship. Anyone thats reasonably tech savy should be able to pick up any DAP and figure out how to use it without the need for instructions.

This is the one area where apple actually got it right. OK they may have robbed the menu system from Creative, but they combined it with a better hardware interface. I know a lot of people will say that iPods are easier to use coz they don't have near as many features, but thats only a small part of the reason. If an interface is well designed then it should remain easy to use no matter how many features are present. I'm sorry, I tend to go on about this kind of thing, but I've studied HCI and it just really pisses me off when I come accross a poor interface. iRiver put so much effort into their hardware, but then don't seem to give a damn about the software.

Anyway, back on topic. iPod vs iRiver, i'd defo choose iRiver. Especially for travelling as you can hook it up to any PC you want without having to install any software whatsoever. However if I was to buy an mp3 player right now I'd prob go for the iAudio as others have already recommended.

Kingp35

There is absolutely no contest between an ipod and an iriver, iriver wins every time. Fact of the matter is that ipods are actually one of the worst players out there and its basically a very successfull marketing campaign that has got them to where they are today. An ipod is a fashion accessory first and an mp3 player second. Whatever you do dont waste your money on an ipod.

I own an iriver H320 and its an excellent player for both audio and video. I have lots of episodes of the simpsons etc on mine and its great for looking at them. teh sound quality is excellent as is battry life and it has all teh features you could want. It is slightly bigger than some players but its worth it.

Get an Iriver or an IAudio and stay the hell away from IPods

TinCool

Go retro and get one of these instead, everyone will look in awe. You can store your music on removable magnetic cassettes so there is no need to access Personal Computers



PS. I own one of the older iRiver H-Series, and they are great. Long battery life and can be plugged in to any PC without the need of additional software as it's seen as a removable hard drive.

TC

jozi

Did anyone mention IRIVER yet??? I mean...like...come on they need to be on your short list of what to get

I'm a H140 owner with rockbox and it pretty much rox, works great sounds great. Recentlly got a iskin for it and im loving it even more now (they make the player appear so much smaller than with the leather case).

Creative do white mp3 players to if thats what you like.

The X5, not used one, does look very nice!

No mention of sony yet, they have a new player out to now, looks decent enough i believe the battery is very good in it to.

Jozi

EDIT: another thing i really like about iriver (not sure ifthis applies to all) is, i plug it into usb and voila a removable HD no drivers required. Is this the same for the X5???

Basq

HomunQlus wrote:

iPod

Cons:

- Absolutely DEPENDANT on iTunes

Nonsense..!

There's plenty of third-party software out there that support the iPod besides iTunes. EphPod and myPod being two such applications.

Creamy Goodness

pro for ipod
- Longest battery life

shouldn't that be a con for the ipod and a pro for the iriver.

thejovialhost

basquille wrote:

Nonsense..!

There's plenty of third-party software out there that support the iPod besides iTunes. EphPod and myPod being two such applications.

Yes but what if the computer you use say that isn't yours doesn't have access to these programs?? You're screwed then if you want to add or delete songs from the iPod. I say get an MP3 player which acts as a removable disc-no fuss no muss-iRiver,iAudio,Archos etc....

muckwarrior

basquille wrote:

Nonsense..!

There's plenty of third-party software out there that support the iPod besides iTunes. EphPod and myPod being two such applications.

Same with iRiver. Windows and Linux being two such applications

jaqian

I know you asked to choose between an iRiver or an iPod but what about the Zen Sleek from Creative. I own one myself and am very impressed with it.

Its 20Gb storage
Inbuilt radio
.mp3/.wma/.wav
16hrs battery life (while I don't know if it lasts 16hrs its very impressive, you'll never have to worry about it.
Cost €269 - €300 (Argos) depending on where you buy. I got mine in Beyond2000 in Dublin back in July for €289.

Whatever you buy don't buy an iPod they are over priced (when I bought my Zen an equivalent 20Gb iPod cost €350 and thats with no radio), over hyped. No radio and crap battery life. I know four different ppl with iPods and everyone of them has had battery problems.

Cons:
1) Doesn't work on Macs
2) Doesn't support .ogg format

If you don't own a Mac and you don't care about .ogg then buy a Zen.

feckidyparp

I bought my g/f this iaudio mp3 player for xmas and it arrived monday.
http://www.mx2.co.uk/default.asp?part=IAX520BL
its sweet. 20Gig HD, plays all sorts of music formats as well as video and radio. Record songs from the radio, store pics watch movie. If your travelling then I recommend at least checking out the i audio range. It has long life battery too.

cormie

I wish I was your girlfriend!!! ehem. hehe. I don't know if I could give it away, it's the best out there at the moment and it's certainly a great piece of kit:)

Dublinstiofán

What one is the best ?

ipod video 60GB

Most Durable ?

ipod

Easier to use ?

ipod

I have had both and although the iriver has extra features ya cant beat the ipod.Only bad thing about the ipod is that ya cant change the battery when its ****ed. Where as on the smaller 6bg iriver you can

hope this helps

JC 2K3

Kabuto wrote:

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that not everyone who buys the ipod is a sheep. Find me a 30gig player as small as the Ipod with a QVGA screen for anywhere near the same price and i'll be convinced otherwise

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009D5GS4/qid=1133893496/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/203-8445245-2343968

cormie

Dublinstiof&#225 wrote: »

What one is the best ?

ipod video 60GB

Most Durable ?

ipod

Easier to use ?

ipod

I have had both and although the iriver has extra features ya cant beat the ipod.Only bad thing about the ipod is that ya cant change the battery when its ****ed. Where as on the smaller 6bg iriver you can

hope this helps

iAudio X5 60GB whips iPod Videos ass, it's cheaper, plays more codecs, has a much better remote, firmware, battery, drag and drop, file tree etc. iPod may be easier to use, because theres not a whole lot to it. iAudio X5, €407 delivered from mx2.co.uk, iPod photo 60GB retails at about €460.

Bard

cormie wrote:

What do you mean better quality?

I mean that the quality of the sound out of the iAudio player is superior to that out of the iRiver player.

cormie wrote:

Ease of use is just down to getting use to it.

No, it isn't. Ease of use is down to anyone being able to pick it up and use it easily within a minute or two.

cormie wrote:

I can't compare them both as I haven't used the X5 so it could well be easier to use indeed.

Ah, well I can compare both as I've used both and own the X5(L), and as I run the MP3 area in a retail store, I test and play a wide range of models from Creative, iRiver, iAudio, Sony, Apple and other brands every day, and I can indeed tell you that the H3XX seems relatively clunky compared with the X5, which is simple to use.

cormie wrote:

Rockbox with iRiver takes some getting used to but it's very easy to use once you know how:)

The fact that you need to replace the firmware with an unofficial one which "takes some getting used to" to get the best out of your player rather than it being fully capable and easy to use out of the box is a strong black mark against it in my opinion, - especially considering the technophobia among a large proportion of consumers out there.

Personally, however, I think that iRiver took their H340 off the market far too early - particularly as they haven't managed to bring out an adequate replacement for it yet (even a 40GB H10 would fall spectacularly short of the mark, in my opinion).

muckwarrior

Must say I agree 100% with everything there bard. Especially iRiver taking the H300 off the market too early. I had mine in my cousins house last night and they all thought it was a fantastic piece of kit. They couldn't believe it when I told them it wasn't even being made any more. Really it's not that far behind the X5. If iRiver put some decent firmware on it then IMO it would be on a par. Yes its chunkier, but it also has a better screen than the x5. Much better for watching video IMO. And of course it has all the ports integrated, rather than requiring an attachment.

lomb

The sony hd1 would probably smash any ipod or iriver into space, if it wasnt for sonys crazy copyright protection and compression format limits.
as small as a 4g ipod mini, magnesium case, 12-14 hour battery life, 20 gig hard drive, sony reliability, very high quality output, what more could u want?

chump

Well having owned an iriver H120, and played about with many an mp3 player, I'm gonna go against the grain here...

Now I love owning a "different", less main stream gizmo as much as the next kid, but you people must be mad to be slagging off the iPod so much...

I got, not for me now, a 30gig iPod video delivered today for an xmas present, 303euro delivered from apple (student price)...
It's a thing of beauty really. I always loved the clickwheel and the general ease-of-use, and the photo viewing is a neat feature... and as for the video ... brilliant (fair enough takes 30mins to convert an ep of Lost into the format... but you can get a freeware app that and queue them up over night and have the all in the morning).
I honestly believe the iPod is the most intuitive, easy-to-use, stylish, solid and honest player on the market.

I enjoyed my iRiver, but its GUI and interface just didn't cut if.
The H3XX players are just ugly ugly bricks.
The new H10 20/60gigs are just as big with a weak enough screen.

As for the X5... which I read up alot as was gonna pick one up in the sates late this summer... did it ever get an update for tags?
And the screen and interface aren't meant to be a patch on the iPod...

Now I wish it wasn't the case, but the iPod is a winner.
If I was to choose between the X5 and the iPod, I might be tempted for the X5, just to be different and the radio, which I like quite a bit...

BUT, all said, I do honestly believe the iPod is the best player on the market for non-fanboys.

cormie

I'm in no means a fan-boy, if iPod suited me, I'd get it. Bard I agree with your reasons there indeed. But for me, I'm willing to learn to get the most out of my mp3 player, music is very important for me, I listen to my iRiver on average 13-16 hours out of every 24 hours. Personally I think the iPod is quite confusing to use, again, that's my view, but I'm quite sure if I was to have a race from getting to a new song from the Play Screen, the iRiver would win if organised correctly. Yes, for the average joe, iRiver may not be the best, but for somebody who is willing to learn how to use it and what it's capable of, it's a great choice.

I don't think the H10 does iRiver justice, it seems with it they have gone down the simple/sleek route as it seems to get a bigger market. I hope they don't continue this trend. I don't understand why nobody else has brought out an mp3 player with optical ports for example. This was a feature on the H1XX when it came out about 2 years ago and technology has come a long way in terms of mp3 players since then but yet as far as I know, the H1XX is still the only one out there with optical ports.

I just can't wait until Hard Drives get vertical and they can fit 10X the capacity on the same size disk:)

Makaveli

chump wrote:

I enjoyed my iRiver, but its GUI and interface just didn't cut if.
The H3XX players are just ugly ugly bricks.

It spends the majority of the time in your pocket, what difference does it make what it looks like?

The GUI is a bit awkward due to the fact that you have to hold buttons to get into the settings menu but in a way that's a plus as when you go into the navigation it's just your file tree to navigate. Having to read the manual to find out how to change the mode is a bit poo but once you've done it once then that's not a problem. If the iRiver didn't have hinderances like this it would almost be the perfect player.

I haven't seen the IPod Video display videos, but I have seen the iRiver and the iAudio do it and I think they look better on the iRiver. However, for the price of the IPod Video it would be last on my list to buy, also the battery life hurts it for watching videos and the lack of audio formats supported doesn't help either.

matrim

I skipped most of the thread, mostly because all these threads follow the same path.

But I have to say if you get an iriver don't get the h10 -20g
It's not a patch on the h1XX or h3XX.

I had a h120 (great player, espically with rockbox) and had to get it repaired because of a small problem with the headphone jack.
Was told I had to change it and peats would only give me a h10. I knew I'd have to get a replacement but wanted a h320 or even to pay extra for the h340.
It doesn't have the same functionality as the others.

No ogg support, only supported by windows (they try to get you to use wmp10), shows as an mpt device not ums.

It's pretty much like an ipod now.

cormie

matrim wrote:

I skipped most of the thread, mostly because all these threads follow the same path.

But I have to say if you get an iriver don't get the h10 -20g
It's not a patch on the h1XX or h3XX.

I had a h120 (great player, espically with rockbox) and had to get it repaired because of a small problem with the headphone jack.
Was told I had to change it and peats would only give me a h10. I knew I'd have to get a replacement but wanted a h320 or even to pay extra for the h340.
It doesn't have the same functionality as the others.

No ogg support, only supported by windows (they try to get you to use wmp10), shows as an mpt device not ums.

It's pretty much like an ipod now.

yeah I agree, it's not a patch on the H1/3XX models. As I said, they went the simple/sleek market and I don't like it at all:mad:

muckwarrior

cormie wrote:

yeah I agree, it's not a patch on the H1/3XX models. As I said, they went the simple/sleek market and I don't like it at all:mad:

They're basically turning their back on all the things that set them apart from the crowd. Very bad idea IMO.

peckerhead

Can an old man who ended up buying both (for someone else) cut in here, hijack the thread and pick the collective brains for a minute? Some of you guys obviously know quite a bit about the iRiver... and about firmwares.

(btw Cormie, how do you ever find time to take photos if you're listening to music '13-16 hours out of every 24'...? )

My sister wanted an iPod Nano for her birthday, or 'whatever you call them' — so I did a bit of trawling around places like here, then got back to her and said 'Pshaw, don't mind that iPod nonsense, everyone with half a brain says the Creative/iRiver/etc. yokes are far superior'. Then I got eBaying and picked up — thought I was bloody great! :rolleyes: — an iRiver h10 5GB 'Pure' for just over €120. BNIB and all that, but obviously w/o the kind of guarantee you'd get from a retailer. Actually, the eBay seller was a single mother living in Guernsey — so she has better things to do than worry about my after-sales problems!

When it arrived, I took it out of the box, charged it up, transferred a gig or two of music onto it, then wrapped it back up and proudly presented it to sis (who assumed I'd spent €240 on her pressie ). Within a few days, though, things went pear-shaped — the yoke kept freezing/not finding the index file, etc. Got in touch with a half-savvy mate in Dublin (I'm 'down' in Limerick) who went onto the iRiver website, found the correct firmware upgrade and tried to install it for her, but it wouldn't 'take' and tbh I suspect he may have ended up formatting it and/or forcing some other/wrong version of the firmware... Now the yoke is showing no signs of intelligent life, and AFAIK iRiver don't have an Irish tech support op, or anyone I could appeal to under the 'manufacturer's guarantee' line. So the only decent thing I could do was say 'sure, drop it back down to me and I'll get you something else and keep that for myself' — and went and bought her a 4Gb Nano off the Apple site. One she can just send back if something's wrong...

I haven't got around yet to fiddling with it just yet, but I do remember that 'out of the box', the thing only had the old v.1.0 firmware, and I couldn't get the correct one to install either. So —

What is this 'Firebox' of which you speak?
Can I 'flash' the unit somehow and start again from scratch?
Anyone want to buy a barely-used (but not working) iRiver h10 5GB 'Pure'?
Or any other advice for me? (besides change my sig...)

cormie

muckwarrior wrote:

They're basically turning their back on all the things that set them apart from the crowd. Very bad idea IMO.

They even did with the H3XX, no LCD remote, they distributed it with that crappy little yolk, no wav recording and of course no optical ports. They seem to be taking a step further away with each unit they release.

muckwarrior

peckerhead wrote:

What is this firebox of which you speak?

I presume you mean Rockbox. It's basically an alternative to the iRiver firmware, but it's not available ofr the H10.

peckerhead wrote:

Anyone want to buy a barely-used (but not working) iRiver h10 5GB 'Pure'?

How much?

peckerhead

Ehhh, that last bit was in jest!

Actually I've just looked again at the website (while editing the link to the firmware page) and I see there's a new, improved v2.51 firmware there — so I have to at least try that first! The unit is sitting in work at the min...

[Edit: Rockbox, hmmm... I'll check it out in the morning, on company time/T1 connection ]

muckwarrior

peckerhead wrote:

Actually I've just looked again at the website (while editing the link to the firmware page) and I see there's a new, improved v2.51 firmware there — so I have to at least try that first! The unit is sitting in work at the min...

Robbed from mistic river:

Answer: Personally I would have used the "H10_Firware & Recovery_2.51" this is not only the firmware update alone but will format the player & loose all data, so be sure to copy & paste all your mp3's to a save place. Thereafter you'll have a clean drive & clean firmware.

peckerhead

Cheers muckwarrior — if that doesn't do the job, I'll pm you a 'first preference' before sticking it in the FS...;)

cormie

Bad luck Peckerhead:( hehe, your iRiver and my camera both broken! Hopefully the firmware will sort things out for you. Oh and I can take photos while either listening to music through my speakers, or with my earplugs in at college;)

astec123

Pecker I suggest you take a quick look to the site

www.misticriver.net browse on over to the H10 section and take a look at the suggestions.

In answer to the question, anything but the pod. Every single one of them says that it is smaller but then of course it is, but before you say that, consider this, the ipod needs 100s of extras to even start to have the same functions as the H300 H100 PMP or H10 of the irivers. IMHO I would take a Cowon (iaudio) or an iRiver.

Yes Im biased but remember I am also a writer/reviewer in my spare time so I know about the players somewhat.

The ipod is good for a few things
-looking good
-being small

But when you are away it is the functions you want, try going to the US and if you get bored in week two you can at least just listen to the radio, no extras needed. If you go to the theatre soon after you can always record the thing without worry and enjoy later in time, if you get bored on the train just sit down watching a video converted on iRiverter or one of several other converters. Then hit an internet cafe to get a few more vids and music files cleaning up the player as you go without even needing to look for itunes or any other program. Get even happier as your rockboxed player turns on playing mario or other GB games. Then when a friend comes over just let them plug into the line out for some video watching. Then go to the zoo and after back up your pictures from the camera to the player.

Be serious about this decision people, get the player that does the better deal. The iriver may be more costly but at 30yoyos for just the radio attachment the ipod will soon add up. Plus you dont get, a case, the battery pack (not with all models but my guide on MR is something to have a look at) USB, charger, host cables.

OK I may be biased as I said but think about it. Why pick a DAP (Digital audio Player mp3 is a codec!) that everyone has, do what apple tells you to do and "think different", get something else. It may just bring you some new friends.

Another reason to prefer iriver is that misticriver is also one of the most enjoyable forums around. Many dislike the hard handed modding of IPL and iaudiophiles.

Anyway nuf said, thats the crap from this yonder poster of the mistic brood.

Astec123 signing off.

muckwarrior

astec123 wrote:

The ipod is good for a few things
-looking good
-being small

In fairness you could add best interface to that as well.