Xb360

projectmayhem

So i played the 360 today (demo stuff, no final codes or anything).

PGR looks sexy as hell. it looks like it's predecessors (or GT4), but with better draw distance/crowds/etc. etc.

PDZ looks like a halo wannabe, but the engine is 10x what halo2 had. but i think most people agree halo2's saving grace was the online element.

there was also tech demo stuff there. remember the ps1 dolphin demo? yes, he's here. and looking as impressive as the ps1 demo. no word of a lie, it's **** looking. truely awful.

an onlooker said (quite loudly to piss the microsoft people off) "i may as well get a psp and emulate this ****e"...

the menu's try to look like the 360's hardware... they're functional, but not as sexy as the original xbox's one.

also, no doubt - buy the normal edition - not the core. you wont get backwards compatability with the normal edition. any bugs halo2 had will be smoothed out on the 360 (it renders faster/better etc.)

all in all a decent console, but definitely harks back to dreamcast. nice idea, but sony have a better one. a much better one.

if you're in between console purchases - wait for the ps3 then pick.

CiDeRmAn

Sounds like you have already decided on what console you want and all without getting a shot on the PS3, what exactly makes you believe it will be so much better anyway?
Apart from a bunch of sterile specs on a sheet very little has been shown to anyone aside from a bunch of dodgy videos that may or may not be prerenders of what the machine will be capable of, heck even the finished controller hasn't been seen yet.

And as for the Gary Penn wannabe "like the dream cast, wait for the PS3" well sure, if you are willing to wait til late '06 maybe even '07 to buy a next gen console then fire ahead.

Get the feeling, especially from some of your previous posts, that you had your mind made up about the 360 long before you actually saw one.
Perhaps a more objective point of view next time, no?

JacoStanley

Let's all just fork out and get everything that comes on the market. Personally, I can't wait maybe a year for a next gen console. My HD TV is just waiting here pleading for some high res PGR3.

projectmayhem

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Sounds like you have already decided on what console you want and all without getting a shot on the PS3, what exactly makes you believe it will be so much better anyway?
Apart from a bunch of sterile specs on a sheet very little has been shown to anyone aside from a bunch of dodgy videos that may or may not be prerenders of what the machine will be capable of, heck even the finished controller hasn't been seen yet.
Get the feeling, especially from some of your previous posts, that you had your mind made up about the 360 long before you actually saw one.
Perhaps a more objective point of view next time, no?

you're absolutely right. i am totally bias towards the ps3, but i gave the 360 a chance. seeing vids of the 360 in action versus playing it, i didn't get what i wanted from the next gen. microsoft have been pimping their machine as much as sony...

as for the dodgy videos for ps3, look at kojima's presentation at tgs. he explains (in pretty good detail) how renders are achieved on ps3. hard to argue with him there tbh...

iregk

projectmayhem wrote:

you're absolutely right. i am totally bias towards the ps3, but i gave the 360 a chance.

as in another post you said your completely in awe of the ps3. sony like so many others have you by the short and curleys. your drowling over a piece of paper with vastly over inflated stats. whos to say the ps3 wont make a mess of it and blow? the difference is that you wanted the 360 to blow and you looked for everything in it you could find to make the ps3 even better. even if the ps3 blows you will still end up buying it like most of sonys pets and convince yourself that its the greatest thing ever.

ShiverinEskimo

You didn't get what you wanted? you played demo versions of a brand new system - give it a few months - feb or march will see the 360 arriving in top form i reckon with games like prey and gears of war - games which will draw the power out of the machine properly - look at the difference between halo and halo 2 despite the same machine - what you experienced was teething problems..and I'll bet sony will have some with the PS3 - it'll '07 before we see any real PS3 action by then MS will have had over a year to get things right.

iregk

Have to say I found the point about the dreamcast funny. The dreamcast was a gem of a machine and any gamer worth their salt will hold it in regard as one of the greats, possibly even the great... thats a big comment to put the 360 up there with teh DC, after all the DC was the best console of its generation!

monkeyfudge

Yep... the Dreamcast was great.

Remember all the early PS2 games were shoddy ports of Dreamcast games.

monument

As far as I can see, projectmayhem is saying ‘I’m not impressed with the 360, wait and see if the PS3 is any better’. He’s possibly saying that the games, and the lack of games, isn’t helping things. Rather then actually debunking what he has said about the 360, most of you have attacked the PS3, or his ‘bias’. Whether he has bias, or not, doesn’t make his points less valid.

The best some of you can do is say ‘wait and see’ (which is very valid), but then attacking a console (PS3) which none of you have seen makes that point invalid for those who try such.

But if was everyone says is true - that the PS3 is a year or more off – it wouldn’t be too hard to imagine how it could be a technically better console. And it wouldn’t be too hard to imagine how Sony could stockpile more games as launch titles. Would it?

(and the DC comments look to be on comparing graphics)

projectmayhem

well done to monument for being able to read
anyway...

LIGHTNING wrote:

most of the PS3 stuff is pre-rendered demos and paper articles. I own all three of the current gen consoles and the xbox is by far the best of the lot

i've heard this a lot too... but it's hard to say "that's pre-rendered" when kojima's techies get on stage and show how something is done.
yes, xbox is the best of the current gen. no one will dispute that, but we're not talking about this gen

LIGHTNING wrote:

well about 40% of PS2 titles are terrible:D ).

but there's so many titles, the ps2 can afford to have crappy titles there (some people buy them, obviously)

and yes, i accept that the console will have teething problems, but i didn't point out such problems (in fact, i didn't find any. it's all-round well made and running smoothly).. i was expecting more (knowing i was going to play one i looked back over ms's e3 presentation and press stuff).

obviously posting critisisms on an xbox forum wont be met with joy and happiness, but you're going on about the ps3 like playstation guys went against the xbox a few years ago....

monument

projectmayhem wrote:

well done to monument for being able to read
anyway...

I was more commenting on their replies then what you actually said. But whatever...

CiDeRmAn

I guess it boils down to this, the PS3 has nothing, and I mean nothing to show you how good it is/will be.
Til there is something to play or reports from those who have played it its software will be vapourware and have no relevance to us, even to fans of gaming, the games are all its all about, you must be completely brand indifferent, just because you like/dislike the microsoft/sony marketing machine should not preclude you from owning one of their consoles.
A lot of the talk on this thread is pure drivel too, you may not like microsoft but they have revolutionised online gaming, at least in the console world anyway. Sony can't hold a candle to the smoothness of the service, if like many others you are intending to take your new machine online, the Xbox360 will be the hardware of choice surely.
Unless Sony get their thumb out and fix their online systems to suit the users out there then they are doomed to alienate a large part of the possible market.
Sony does have a wonderful roster of IPs and a great history of fantastic games, God of War and Ico being two that spring to mind, the PS3 will be a great machine, sony have not let us down in the past, and I will, as usual and to my wifes dismay, go out and buy every machine that comes available.
So please, open your mind to the software roster that will be forthcoming in early Dec, give them a lash and see what you think then.
It reminds of the comments made about the inpending PS2 launch when the Dreamcast was out a while and people bought wholesale into the notion that the PS2 games would be so much better than the DC ones and all that emotion engine guff, in the end the difference between the two was much much less than that, all the small people bought the sony marketing crap wholesale and so a gerat machine died a premature death.

I don't blame Sony for it, I just wish some of their marketing team worked for Sega!

CiDeRmAn

Yup, Ferrari 355 still looks the mutts nuts as does Daytona USA, makes one wonder jsut what sort of software we could have been treated to had people stopped pushing the hardware, perhaps GTA could have graved her royal whiteness, but its an old question, and can never be answered really, its just history now, be thankful the console left enough of a gaming legacy to warrant it as a decent purchase for any player of great games.

As for the Revolution controller, wait and see is the best advice one can give, remember how odd the N64 controller was? And then it turned out to be the quantum jump in innovation that the industry was calling out for, maybe this will be the same and we could see a 2nd gen controller emerging for the PS3 and Xbox360 taking into account the concepts in the revolution controller, as they did with the analog and then dualshock controllers, many forget the PS didn't get released with an analog controller as standard, just a bog ordinary digital one, and sony had to til Ape Escape and Gran Turismo for games to use the thing.

On Xbox360, not so much looking forward to Halo3, found Halo2 a tad disappointing to be honest, in fact its not any one game in particular that has grabbed my attention, its the possibilities the new console enshrines for the player, the new experiences and ways to keep you up til 2:30am trying to beat that damn boss, the only thing I would say against microsoft is that they just don't have the range of IPs that either Nintendo or Sony have, so their games can be a little souless, hopefully launch day will prove me wrong.

TerrorFirmer

I have my 360 prebooked, but did I hear in Gamestop their minimum package is something like $520? I mean thats serious money, as far as the girl there told me its only being sold in bundles, with games, controllers, whatever...

Alot of money. I have no doubt that I'll get one eventually but I don't know will it be this christmas. I have no doubt either that the PS3 will be a technically superior machine but when machines start getting this good its more so about the games now then the visuals nad I think anyone that calls Sony's machine the winner of a generation that hasn't even begun based on paper stats is a bit misguided. Personally I have absolutely no reason to get a ps3, whereas I'm dying for PDZ and Halo3 on the 360.

Speaking of which, several magazines have said Perfect Dark Zero, whilst not visually overwhelming, is shaping up to be fantastic and perfectly capturing the old rare magic of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.

CiDeRmAn

Best thing for all those who have prebooked wherever it is is to go in and find out exactly where in the queue you are, make them tell you, first come first served should be the order of the day, as far as I know once a deposit is paid the goods are paid for and a covenant is in place between the customer and the retailer, effectively you have bought the item at that time, so you have certain rights to be served with your machine first, it shouldn't matter how mush you are planning to spend on launch day. As it stands because there wil be little or no machines instore apart from those preordered then they can, if let, make up the rules as they go along, pretty much twisting your arm with threats that you will not get your machine on the day unless you spend outrageous amounts of money, I mean thats ok if you were planning to spend that sort of lolly to begin with, but if you are on a budget and paying it off week by week to get the basic core pack with a game and a mem card, but have your preorder in before everybody else, it has got to be against a customer charter somewhere to step past you to the fecker next inline with a gold card who isn't afraid to use it.

Also just watched the footage from the tokyo game show on the edge cover disk, wow, not bad, some nice stuff on the way, glad I have a DS too!

KTRIC

MobileInfantry wrote:

I have my 360 prebooked, but did I hear in Gamestop their minimum package is something like $520? I mean thats serious money, as far as the girl there told me its only being sold in bundles, with games, controllers, whatever...

I asked about this today and the guys behind the counter became very lost for words. I have this paid for for over 2 months now and they said they can't garauntee me getting one. They even offered me my money back without me asking, seems very strange if you ask me.

I've though about taking my money and spending it on a Gizmondo or PSP. At least I can buy one of them off the shelf.

iregk

Was talking to a friend of mine last night who works for ms game studios and he was telling me while it hasn't been totally decided there are strong suggestions that the full package will be bundled with perfect dark for christmas.

Laguna

Well I've my 360 booked, I don't think any price Sony feel like charging for the PS3 will be palatable for me, the Sony President even came out and said that people would have to work extra hours to afford it, how smug.

Even though I'm getting a 360, I'm most excited about Nintendo's Revolution, Sony and Microsoft can't seem to grasp the fact that next gen means NEXT GENERATION, not higher pixel count. At the start of this year I was seriously bored with games, I've been playing them for sixteen years and they had just started to bore me, this generation of consoles striking the killer blow. It seemed as if I was playing the same game over and over again, regardless of the Genre, everything was a Metal Gear wannabe etc.

The Nintendo DS changed all that for me, the concept of the stylus may be rubbished and mocked by Sony, but I'm sorry, this new level of interaction has shown us a new path in gaming. Never in my life have I had as much fun with a console than the DS, Warioware, Nintendogs, Advance Wars and the Metroid demo have truly reinvigorated my interest in gaming. Sony think by putting in the - best components in the world, ever (tm) - into their new system for the low, low price of €500-700 is going to sway me. No.

Anyway, back to the 360, I really don't see a marked difference in specification between it and the PS3, does one buy a console on the merit of it's "Dolphin demo"?. Besides, it's been well established the Cell processor is notoriously difficult to write code for, so when it boils down to higher production costs for a PS3 game than a 360 and PS3 games costing €15-20 more, I'll know I chose right in the 360.

I wonder what the person who sneered at the dolphin demo would think if I told him the PSP is a below par PS2 that he just paid €254 for?. He's bought a five year old console at a premium price with games twice the cost as their PS2 counterparts, maybe he should be pissed off instead of the Microsoft people?

lafors

Laguna wrote:

Well I've my 360 booked, I don't think any price Sony feel like charging for the PS3 will be palatable for me, the Sony President even came out and said that people would have to work extra hours to afford it, how smug.

I have to agree here with Laguna. I played the 360 today in Walmart, well impressed (will review here). The 360 has a huge advantage in xbox live, a Proven online gaming community, which WILL be the most important thing in the next generation console. The ps3 at supposedly 500 squid is way too much for average joe, and the average joe is whom sony will need to rely on to make their ps3 successful, at that price they'd need to sella sh*t load to make profits.

With regards playing the 360, the size is good, smaller than I thought, and the controller is an improvement on the original xbox. I thought the demo disc was poor, not too many playable demos, but from what I've heard from a friend on the east coast who played it last week, he had more demos (I dont know whether to believe him or not). PGR3 wasn't playable but the demo was sweet, kameo was good. I was a bit pissed off as they had a 28in samsung hd tv with it but it was set up all wrong, which made it look bad. All in all it look like some sweet kit. Roll on nov 22.

PS walmart the idiots had battlefront II for the psp out (out next tuesday), i tried to buy it and it wouldn't go through, so we argued and they sold it to us, pretty good game ...now which to play, gta or battlefront 2

kaisersose77

Checkout xboxyde.com if you want to see any xbox360 videos, some of the games look amazing. I know that doesnt mean there gonna be any good but someone posted this comparison on that site.

Tiger Woods 06 on pc:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/263/reviews/929353_20050921_screen002.jpg

Tiger Woods 06 on xbox360:
http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2130/792_0009.jpg

Theres a gameplay video link on this site:
http://xboxyde.com/index_en.html

I love a round of tiger woods on the xbox or psp every so often so im definitely gonna buy this.

p2kone

have to agree with lafors about xbox live

the difference in spec between the 360 and ps3 are not important, there both very powerfull. what does matter is which console will have the best games and which console will be the easiest to devlope games on

with more people with broadband connections and broadband becoming the standard internet connection, xbox live gives microsoft a huge advantage in multiplaying/hosting/ having a community compared to sony

multiplayer in the next generation game to an extent!

liamskater

you have answered a few of the questions going through my head thanks PERFECTMAHEM. BTW WTFs with this 'also, no doubt - buy the normal edition - not the core. you wont get backwards compatability with the normal edition.' dont you mean you wont get backwards compatibility with the core package?

rabbitinlights

Mircosoft have just confirmed that none of the X360 games will ever be High Definition.

Link


I think its a pretty bad move.

S.

KTRIC

rabbitinlights wrote:

Mircosoft have just confirmed that none of the X360 games will ever be High Definition.

Link


I think its a pretty bad move.

S.

Have you got a problem reading ??

It clearly says that it does not support HD-DVD playback !!!, This means that you won't get HD displayed when you play back a HD-DVD disk. The XB360 does support HD games , this is one of its big selling points.

rabbitinlights

K-TRIC wrote:

Have you got a problem reading ??

Obviously! (Must remember to have coffee before posting in the morning!)


So all the games that are on normal DVD's will be HiDef?

S.

KTRIC

rabbitinlights wrote:

Obviously! (Must remember to have coffee before posting in the morning!)


So all the games that are on normal DVD's will be HiDef?

S.

Sorry , didn't mean to come across all condesending. As far as I know the XB360 supports dual layer DVD's and all the games will be in HD

iregk

MS indeed has instructed all game developers to code for HD so all games will be HD format.

Also as someone said (in the middle of a mix up) the core package will not be backward compatable. This is due to the fact that the emulating software is based on the harddrive so no hard drive = no emulation = no backward compatibility.

kaisersose77

And supposedly you download the files/profile needed to play/emulate your old xbox game through xbox live as every game wont being supported from day one. Every one gets xbox live silver for free i think so that shouldnt be a problem if you have broadband. Not that anyone will be too bothered about old xbox games 6 months after the launch. Its pointless getting the cheaper package as your gonna have to buy a memory card which will be a rip off, plus maybe a HardDrive in the future and wireless headset, remote control etc. The only version being sold in japan is the one with the HardDrive.

lafors

p2kone wrote:

have to agree with lafors about xbox live

the difference in spec between the 360 and ps3 are not important, there both very powerfull. what does matter is which console will have the best games and which console will be the easiest to devlope games on

with more people with broadband connections and broadband becoming the standard internet connection, xbox live gives microsoft a huge advantage in multiplaying/hosting/ having a community compared to sony

multiplayer in the next generation game to an extent!

My decision has been made by Sony.
According to maxconsole they have announced there will be NO Sony "Live"
It will be up to the game developers to have their own, as was with the PS2.

1 XBOX 360 please

iregk

also dont forget, ms are totally revamping xbox live for the 360, its going to have the options of the current one but with added regional based play (ie your in ireland you play against irish gamers or european etc...) and a few other bits and bobs.

Mitch Connor

i've been reading a lot of industry views and opinions, most say the 360 will be the far better console. everyone accepts the PS3 LOOKS more powerfull but the 'cell' chip is incredably difficult to code for and the architecture of the 360 is far more adaptable, easier to work with and faster. this is from people developing on both systems. In fact, many are comparing the PS3 to the Sega Saturn.

the 360's unified architecture should lead to much better performance in the long run.

Stompbox

What good games are going to come out for XBOX 360 apart from Halo(which is the worlds most overrated game imo) because it appears that PS3 got all the good games.

Laguna

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion

Perfect Dark Zero

Halo 3

Project Gotham Racing

and many, many more...

You say all the 'good' games are only coming out for the PS3, for a start I've heard nothing really confirmed bar the new Metal Gear Solid (snore) and a host of DEVELOPERS attaching themselves to the console. Besides, Microsoft aren't some small time hack of a company, they'll make sure (like this generation of consoles) that whatever comes out on the PS3 will eventually come out for the 360..

Stompbox

Halo and PGR are both terrible games. Perfect Dark looks super though.

projectmayhem

Laguna wrote:

Besides, Microsoft aren't some small time hack of a company, they'll make sure (like this generation of consoles) that whatever comes out on the PS3 will eventually come out for the 360..

don't be so sure of that. microsoft v ps3 graphics wise are very similar but cell seems to be quite the piece of kit. when games get to the point where cell is properly being used microsoft will have a bit of a problem. even if they fight that battle, they simply can't win any battle that involves blu-ray reaching capacity (probably wont happen, gta:sa didn't use up 2 layers of a dvd.. it almost did, but blu-ray has an awful lot more to hold).

also, this generation seems to be the one the companies are vying for future survival, so i'd expect a lot of exclusivity deals (maybe a renewal of the exclusive GTA deal with sony - which explains microsoft's attempts to get GTA clones onto 360) with both companies...

Laguna

Sweet wrote:

Halo and PGR are both terrible games. Perfect Dark looks super though.

Well you're one of the minority there, the millions of people who play Halo on Xbox Live can't surely be complete muppets. PGR is far more playable than the supposed king of the racers, Gran Turismo, which is decidely boring with completely static gameplay, it's bloody Pokémon with cars..

Stompbox

Laguna wrote:

it's bloody Pokémon with cars..

LOL. Ive never played Halo 2 online but Campaign mode is terrible.

iregk

projectmayhem wrote:

microsoft v ps3 graphics wise are very similar but cell seems to be quite the piece of kit. when games get to the point where cell is properly being used microsoft will have a bit of a problem.

graphics wise, it looks like there is very little between apart from the 360 having 50% imbeded core bandwidith which is a huge plus over the ps3 in terms of processing graphics.

i find the core -v- cell statement quite funny though. why do you think ms will be in trouble? why do you think the cell is such a monster? what makes it so much better than the core? in my opinion the core has teh advantage and the upper hand. the cell is 1 gen too early i think. give me 1 reason, and a genuine one not some because sony says it is excuse, as to why teh cell is such a piece of kit and is going to blow the multi core away?

projectmayhem

iregk wrote:

give me 1 reason, and a genuine one not some because sony says it is excuse, as to why teh cell is such a piece of kit and is going to blow the multi core away?

sony/toshiba/ibm says so
http://www.ps3land.com/CELL.ppt

iregk

ok maybe its me, but i couldn't see the whole section, this is where the cell rips the multi core apart etc...

the pps is a road map and plan for the cell with obvious tech schem. no where in there does it have any comparrison against a multi core processor. so to say because sony/tosh/ibm says so is a bit incorrect.