Draw for 2006 Ulster Football Championship

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From RTE.ie

Today's draw for the 2006 Ulster Senior Football Championship has paired All-Ireland champions Tyrone with Derry in a mouth-watering quarter-final.

Derry will be hoping for revenge over the Red Hands, who lost last season's provincial final in a replay to Armagh.

2004 was the last time Derry played Tyrone in the Ulster championship, when, as holders of the Sam Maguire Cup, Mickey Harte's Tyrone side ran riot in a 1-17 to 1-6 win.

Provincial champions Armagh, meanwhile, will open their 2006 championship campaign against Monaghan.

Armagh also met Monaghan in the opening round of the 2004 Ulster championship, scoring a landslide 2-19 to 0-10 win over the Farney men.

The 2006 Ulster championship will be kick-started by a preliminary round clash between Cavan and Down on May 7. The winners of that fixture will face Donegal in the last eight.

The other set quarter-final involves Fermanagh and Antrim - whoever comes through that tie will have to beat Armagh or Monaghan for a place in the Ulster final.

No team outside of Tyrone and Armagh has lifted Ulster's Anglo Celt Cup since Derry did so in 1998.

2006 BANK OF IRELAND ULSTER SFC DRAW:
Preliminary Round
May 7: Down v Cavan

Quarter-finals:
Armagh v Monaghan
Fermanagh v Antrim
Tyrone v Derry
Down/Cavan v Donegal

Semi-finals:
Armagh/Monaghan v Fermanagh/Antrim
Tyrone/Derry v Down/Cavan/Donegal

Looks like another final for Armagh, and Tyrone might have another few replays next year and have it tough! I know a lot of Cavan people post here, so hard luck to them

Lemlin

Hard draw for Cavan alright. Down are the U21 and minor All-Ireland champs and have alot of quality coming through. Not to mention Benny Coulter.

Still, any draw in Ulster, apart from Antrim, is going to be a tough draw.

Flukey

Very true Lemlin. Looks like you could be in the first round of the qualifiers next year!

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

Hard draw for Cavan alright. Down are the U21 and minor All-Ireland champs and have alot of quality coming through. Not to mention Benny Coulter.

Still, any draw in Ulster, apart from Antrim, is going to be a tough draw.

Well I wouldn't totally agree with that, they may have been in the U21 final and minor all Ireland champions.

But what you are leaving out is that Cavan's U21's were well ahead of Down in the Ulster final and Cavan lost Lyng and Johnston through injury and Gaynor got sent off. Those were three of Cavan's key U21 players and losing those 3 was definately the turning point in the game.

Cavan minors should have beat Down minors twice last year. Some poor refereeing in the last couple of minutes of the first game caused the draw.

Also, Cavan beat Down by 4 points in 2004. So I have no idea why they are seen as favourites.

cruiserweight

Lemlin wrote:

Still, any draw in Ulster, apart from Antrim, is going to be a tough draw.

Or Cavan!

Lemlin

Well I wouldn't totally agree with that, they may have been in the U21 final and minor all Ireland champions.

But what you are leaving out is that Cavan's U21's were well ahead of Down in the Ulster final and Cavan lost Lyng and Johnston through injury and Gaynor got sent off. Those were three of Cavan's key U21 players and losing those 3 was definately the turning point in the game.

Cavan minors should have beat Down minors twice last year. Some poor refereeing in the last couple of minutes of the first game caused the draw.

Also, Cavan beat Down by 4 points in 2004. So I have no idea why they are seen as favourites.

Cavan are always going to be underdogs against anyone but Antrim. We gained some respect this year but still not enough.

There's a lot of "what ifs" in there Pornapster, and I do agree with you on alot of counts, but the fact is that Down won both matches. And we have to accept that.

Alot of Cavan's team are getting old (the lads from '97) and its going to be a tough few seasons of transition for Cavan. I'd be happy to get to the last 12 again.

Just a trip to Croker would be fantastic.

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

Cavan are always going to be underdogs against anyone but Antrim. We gained some respect this year but still not enough.

There's a lot of "what ifs" in there Pornapster, and I do agree with you on alot of counts, but the fact is that Down won both matches. And we have to accept that.

Alot of Cavan's team are getting old (the lads from '97) and its going to be a tough few seasons of transition for Cavan. I'd be happy to get to the last 12 again.

Just a trip to Croker would be fantastic.

Yes, but all of the "what ifs" were in underage competitions. Minor and Senior levels are totally different. Just because Down won the minor championship last year doesn't mean anything. I was just pointing out that they aren't that far behind them when it comes to those age groups.

We have a better team than them, recent results against them shows that we are. They haven't beaten us in the championship since when? '96 is it?! Yet they are the favourites... :rolleyes:

Lemlin

We have a better team than them, recent results against them shows that we are. They haven't beaten us in the championship since when? '96 is it?! Yet they are the favourites...

Because Cavan underperformed for years. Remember the terrible days of Mattie Kerrigan? Louth were the only team we beat that year.

And the following year? Yes, we beat Down, only after a replay, before losing to Armagh and being hammered by Derry, who scored ten points in extra time to Cavan's none.

That's why we're underdogs. Two years ago, we couldn't even beat Antrim. That has to be remembered.

I personally prefer Cavan being underdogs.

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

Because Cavan underperformed for years. Remember the terrible days of Mattie Kerrigan? Louth were the only team we beat that year.

And the following year? Yes, we beat Down, only after a replay, before losing to Armagh and being hammered by Derry, who scored ten points in extra time to Cavan's none.

That's why we're underdogs. Two years ago, we couldn't even beat Antrim. That has to be remembered.

I personally prefer Cavan being underdogs.

Of course Cavan underperformed for years, Kerrigan was a joke! But Down have underperformed for years too, how far did they get last year? They were well beaten by Cavan at Casement in 2001 if I remember correctly too.

Cavan are the 4th best team in Ulster at the moment, behind Tyrone, Armagh and Derry. With Monaghan a close 5th. You are only as good as your last season. Down have been very average for years now. Saying that Cavan should be underdogs to that Down team is a total insult to how Cavan performed in the last two years.

Lemlin

Cavan are the 4th best team in Ulster at the moment, behind Tyrone, Armagh and Derry. With Monaghan a close 5th. You are only as good as your last season. Down have been very average for years now. Saying that Cavan should be underdogs to that Down team is a total insult to how Cavan performed in the last two years.

I would see Monaghan as a better team than Cavan actually. Maybe I like playing down Cavan's chances but this year was the first year since 2001 that we made real progress. After all, its the first year that we won more than one game in the qualifiers.

Cavan weren't all that hot in '03. Like I pointed out, we did well to run Armagh close but we folded against Derry in a game we should of won. I think Cavan got over a big psychological factor this year - killing off games.

Here's hoping that they can gain promotion from Division 2 this year and get some decent league opposition. League form may not matter but I would certainly prefer if Cavan were playing the likes of Tyrone and Dublin in the Spring of 2007 than hammering Tipp and Waterford yet again.

Waylander

Easy Lemlin, that was nearly a possitive comment about Dublin

Lemlin

I have no problem making positive comments about Dublin when they're deserved.

I'm still waiting for one of yas to make the point that Dublin are the fourth best team in the Championship now because they got the highest number of All-Star nominations behind Tyrone, Armagh and Kerry - its stuff like that which riles me!

Now, back on topic.

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

I would see Monaghan as a better team than Cavan actually.

Here is where I stopped reading your post Lemlin. That is an absolutely ridiculous comment to make.

Waylander

Lemlin, You just cant help yourslef bringing this kind of crap up can you?

blackbelt

I don't know between Monaghan and Cavan.

I think Monaghan are a better league side than Cavan but as far as the All Ireland is concerned I think Cavan might have the edge in that department.

As far as the draw for the Ulster championship goes,does anybody think its unfair to have two teams in a preliminary round while the other seven take it easy as they are in the quarters anyway?

If it were up to me,I would have Armagh and Tyrone playing in the preliminary round as they were 2005 Ulster finalists,give weaker teams a better chance so to say.

p.s Lemlin you were asking for it,so here it goes....Dublin are the fourth best in Ireland.

Lemlin

Originally posted by Pornapster
Here is where I stopped reading your post Lemlin. That is an absolutely ridiculous comment to make.

I'm as big a fan of Cavan as anyone, and I do see Monghan as huge rivals, but they are Division 2 champions. We couldn't even get promoted. You have to be realistic like that.

They also have Tommy Freeman, if Cavan had a forward like him I'd be delighted. In fact, if we'd had a forward like him we would of beat Tyrone this year and Armagh last year.

Don't see how its a ridicuolous comment in all fairness. I think many people would agree with me, just as many as would agree with you.

Originally posted by Waylander
Lemlin, You just cant help yourslef bringing this kind of crap up can you?

And you just couldn't help getting involved in this because you like painting me as the ultimate Dublin-hater. What, are you accusing me of being a Cavan hater now because I said Monaghan are a better? Let's face it, if I said Laois were better than Dublin you'd be straight on my case. Do you have a problem with me giving my opinion?

Originally posted by blackbelt
As far as the draw for the Ulster championship goes,does anybody think its unfair to have two teams in a preliminary round while the other seven take it easy as they are in the quarters anyway?

If it were up to me,I would have Armagh and Tyrone playing in the preliminary round as they were 2005 Ulster finalists,give weaker teams a better chance so to say.

There'd be uproar if that happened. You'd be putting two of the best teams, arguably the two best actually, up against each other and eliminating one before the Championship had even heated up. These are always two of the best supported teams so it could result in a huge loss of revenue for the GAA.

Having a preliminary round is the only way it can be handled. The teams in it tend to change each year so its fair enough. This year it was Armagh and Fermanagh, next year its Cavan and Down. Incidentally, Armagh were the first team to win Ulster coming from the preliminary round in about 50 years this year. Cavan were the last team to do it

Waylander

Lemlin wrote:

I have no problem making positive comments about Dublin when they're deserved.

I'm still waiting for one of yas to make the point that Dublin are the fourth best team in the Championship now because they got the highest number of All-Star nominations behind Tyrone, Armagh and Kerry - its stuff like that which riles me!

Now, back on topic.

The above muppet comment is what I was talking about. You cant help bringing the same tired old stuff up even in a totally unrelated thread. You have to go and provoke some kind of arguement.

The Rooster

Waylander wrote:

The above muppet comment is what I was talking about. You cant help bringing the same tired old stuff up even in a totally unrelated thread. You have to go and provoke some kind of arguement.

He's such a muppet, and thankfully its more than just the Dublin supporters who realise it, even other Cavan people are getting weary of him.

He put an unbelievable comment up on the soccer board, in relation to the GAA opening up Croker if the Irish soccer team had been good enough to make the playoffs. Of course there may have been good arguments for such a thing to happen (personally I've no problem with soccer in Croker so long as a good fee is received), but Lemlin was using the argument that because Croke Park was partly funded by taxpayers money (big questionmark in any event whether lotto funds are taxpayers money in that people have a choice whether or not to play lotto - but lets park that) therefore the GAA are obligated to open it up to everyone who wants it. Of course that line of argument is pure nonsense, and it was put to him that Intel (and many others) received tens of millions of government grants and would never ever be obligated to let a struggling Irish business use some of their space, and that taxpayers fund people on the dole, but those people of course would never be expected to open up their house to any taxpayer. Lemlin responded with this beauty:

Yes, but people on the dole don't spit in our faces. That's what the GAA are doing. Expecting people who've helped to pay for Croker cross the Irish Sea to watch their home nation's football team.

We live in a democratic country. Shouldn't it go to a vote?

"Muppet" doesnt come anywhere near the description of the person who posted that. A total lack of intellect and understanding of the world. He must be very young. The GAA "spit in our faces" by not letting soccer in whenever soccer wants and there should be a national referendum on whether the GAA should open up their own stadium!! I know such ludicrousy doesnt warrant comment, but it just highlights what you're dealing with when you're "debating" a point with Lemlin.

Lemlin

Originally posted by Waylander
The above muppet comment is what I was talking about. You cant help bringing the same tired old stuff up even in a totally unrelated thread. You have to go and provoke some kind of arguement.

I brought totally unrelated stuff into a topic did I, who said:

Originally posted by Waylander
Easy Lemlin, that was nearly a possitive comment about Dublin

So who brought totally unrelated stuff into a topic there? I missed the bit where Dublin had anything to do with the Ulster Championship.

Originally posted by The Rooster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylander
The above muppet comment is what I was talking about. You cant help bringing the same tired old stuff up even in a totally unrelated thread. You have to go and provoke some kind of arguement.

He's such a muppet, and thankfully its more than just the Dublin supporters who realise it, even other Cavan people are getting weary of him.

He put an unbelievable comment up on the soccer board, in relation to the GAA opening up Croker if the Irish soccer team had been good enough to make the playoffs. Of course there may have been good arguments for such a thing to happen (personally I've no problem with soccer in Croker so long as a good fee is received), but Lemlin was using the argument that because Croke Park was partly funded by taxpayers money (big questionmark in any event whether lotto funds are taxpayers money in that people have a choice whether or not to play lotto - but lets park that) therefore the GAA are obligated to open it up to everyone who wants it. Of course that line of argument is pure nonsense, and it was put to him that Intel (and many others) received tens of millions of government grants and would never ever be obligated to let a struggling Irish business use some of their space, and that taxpayers fund people on the dole, but those people of course would never be expected to open up their house to any taxpayer. Lemlin responded with this beauty:


Quote:
Yes, but people on the dole don't spit in our faces. That's what the GAA are doing. Expecting people who've helped to pay for Croker cross the Irish Sea to watch their home nation's football team.

We live in a democratic country. Shouldn't it go to a vote?

"Muppet" doesnt come anywhere near the description of the person who posted that. A total lack of intellect and understanding of the world. He must be very young. The GAA "spit in our faces" by not letting soccer in whenever soccer wants and there should be a national referendum on whether the GAA should open up their own stadium!! I know such ludicrousy doesnt warrant comment, but it just highlights what you're dealing with when you're "debating" a point with Lemlin.
Yesterday 21:25
Waylander Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemlin
I have no problem making positive comments about Dublin when they're deserved.

I'm still waiting for one of yas to make the point that Dublin are the fourth best team in the Championship now because they got the highest number of All-Star nominations behind Tyrone, Armagh and Kerry - its stuff like that which riles me!

Now, back on topic.

The above muppet comment is what I was talking about. You cant help bringing the same tired old stuff up even in a totally unrelated thread. You have to go and provoke some kind of arguement.

Thanks for calling me a muppet lads. And The Rooster, what the hell does my opinions on Croke Park have to do with this? Talk about selective editing. You seem to have missed the part where I said that the GAA were in dire need of opening up Croke Park because they can't support the GAA community at grass roots level. And the entire rest of my argument.

I have done a lot more research on this topic than you I would imagine as I did an entire Communications essay and presentation on it in first year college. Therefore I think its a travesty that the GAA could be helping to fund local teams by opening Croke Park, but refuse too. Why else do you think your local GAA club has so many lotto draws and bingo night etc., etc.?

Say what you want, taxpayers money and grants helped greatly to pay for Croke Park. I've done the research. Therefore why shouldn't the people of Ireland have a say in what happens? Do you think you'd see the Wales soccer team playing in Liverpool because the Welsh rugby Association wouldn't let them play in Cardiff?

I'm a patriotic Irish man and I think it a travesty that any team who represent our country should have to play on foreign soil.

That's a totally different topic altogether. Why can't yas just accept it lads, some people have different opinions. There's no need to go round calling them muppets because they may argue their case against your opinions.

Nonetheless, read the charter, calling people "muppets" and the like is against it.

kaimera

jesus lads, knock it off ffs.

last warning because this bitching has been going on far to ****ing long for my liking.

It's like having a bloody root canal done reading a thread with you three in it with yer damn handbags.

knock it off

locked.