Wow, that's really annoying

NickyOD

.5/1 NL 6 handed on Empire. I haven't been at the table for 10 hands but I'm up to $140. The Villain in this hand has over $200.

Folded to the CO who limps and I raise on the Button to $5 with AK. BB calls CO calls.

Flop is 2-5-K with 2 hearts and I don't have one. BB bets just $1. CO calls. I raise to $8 and the BB makes it $20. C0 folds. I call. Turn is a non heart Ace and villain bets $50. Me ????

The Snapper

Push but Its a bit scary. If he has trips good luck to him . He may be on the draw if so make him pay to catch up.

Hectorjelly

If hes on a draw he has already priced himself out.

Daithio

It looks to me as if it'll be a split pot or else he's got a set and he's protecting it. What sort of player is he? Would he re raise with AK? I think I call anyway even though the conclusions I'm coming to don't give me great value to call, maybe that's why I don't play cash games. I dunno really, it all depends on the player, but with this information I call and hope for the best.

Daithio

Also there's a chance at 50/1 he's called you with K5 suited or some other crap.

Hectorjelly

I think this is a fold, but it was a fold on the flop not the turn. The problem now is that he may well have 2 pair and you now have him beaten. Without a read I probably call this should I of gotten to the turn, but you are going to be up against a set a huge % of the time.

I wouldnt be worried at all about the draw, who three bets a flush draw unless its all in.

Mark J

Daithio wrote:

Also there's a chance at 50/1 he's called you with K5 suited or some other crap.

don`t think he`d have called an $8 bet looking to hit a set on a .50/1 table.
just my opinion. lunatics are the only people who`d call that size bet looking for a set.(unless he had K/K!?)

i like the K5 suited comment by Daithio, cpould be well true.

i personally think you`ve the better of it and he`s tryin to semi-bluff you out on his "K5" flush!

Hectorjelly

Mark J wrote:

don`t think he`d have called an $8 bet looking to hit a set on a .50/1 table.
just my opinion. lunatics are the only people who`d call that size bet looking for a set.(unless he had K/K!?)

i like the K5 suited comment by Daithio, cpould be well true.

i personally think you`ve the better of it and he`s tryin to semi-bluff you out on his "K5" flush!

It was 5 preflop which is perfectly reasnable amount to hit a set with, and K5s is two pair on this board so its not exactly a bluff.

Mark J

Hectorjelly wrote:

It was 5 preflop which is perfectly reasnable amount to hit a set with, and K5s is two pair on this board so its not exactly a bluff.

wasn`t on about K5 as 2 pair.

i was on about K5 sooted to hit a flush.
granted. he may have played for the flush with his K5 and hit 2 pair.

pocket 2s or 5s are perfectly reasonable to call 5 pre-flop? well, play as you will.

i wouldn`t call a $5 bet looking for a set, TBH. any overcard and subsequent raise and i`d surely be outta there.

that`s just how i play.
if $5 is a reasonable amount to hit a set with, i must experiment more often and when over-cards come and i don`t hit that set, lets see what i`ll do after some-one bets into me.

Hectorjelly

Mark J wrote:

wasn`t on about K5 as 2 pair.

i was on about K5 sooted to hit a flush.
granted. he may have played for the flush with his K5 and hit 2 pair.

pocket 2s or 5s are perfectly reasonable to call 5 pre-flop? well, play as you will.

i wouldn`t call a $5 bet looking for a set, TBH. any overcard and subsequent raise and i`d surely be outta there.

that`s just how i play.
if $5 is a reasonable amount to hit a set with, i must experiment more often and when over-cards come and i don`t hit that set, lets see what i`ll do after some-one bets into me.

If you call a raise with 22 and there is overcards (which there generally will be) then you fold. You call because when you do hit your set its pretty much almost an unbeatable hand. Hitting sets against overpairs/top pair is on of the most profitable situations in cash games.

Not sure how to put this without sounding like a prick, but I think you should probably listen to Davey Devils advice until you get more experience.

Daithio

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think this is a fold, but it was a fold on the flop not the turn. The problem now is that he may well have 2 pair and you now have him beaten. Without a read I probably call this should I of gotten to the turn, but you are going to be up against a set a huge % of the time.

I wouldnt be worried at all about the draw, who three bets a flush draw unless its all in.

Yeah Hector basically sums up what I was thinking just a little clearer. On the flop I'd be very wary of his reraise. He may have AK, in which case you're only playing for a split pot anyway so there's not much value in getting involved. So the only hands you're beating that he might play like that on the flop with are KQ or KJ which aren't very likely. Looks like a set or two pair which he is protecting because of the flush draw. Now when you get to the turn I stick with what I said earlier and probably call hoping that he has 2 pair. But now that I think about it I think this is more likely than a set. People rarely play sets that strong on the flop, even if there is 2 to a flush out there. Unless he's extremely paranoid I think it looks more like he's protecting K5, which leans me towards a call on the turn.

Imposter

I'd fold and as hector says you probably should have folded after the flop reraise. The reason being that you don't know enough about the player. You've only lost 25 and if you continue your whole stack is in the middle. He's either bluffing (it's not totally out of the question, maybe a high pair etc), playing a lesser 2 pair than you or playing a set do you really need to put all your money in in such an uncertain situation?

The fact that he has double the starting stack generally means he's either quite ok or is a bit of a gambler. I'd take the small loss here, size him up a bit more and then make your move later when you can be a little more certain of what he may have.

Now if only I could follow my own advice.

Tackle

Mark J wrote:

pocket 2s or 5s are perfectly reasonable to call 5 pre-flop? well, play as you will.

i wouldn`t call a $5 bet looking for a set, TBH. any overcard and subsequent raise and i`d surely be outta there.

that`s just how i play.
if $5 is a reasonable amount to hit a set with, i must experiment more often and when over-cards come and i don`t hit that set, lets see what i`ll do after some-one bets into me.

It's 7-1 to hit your set so if it only costs you $5 and and the others in the pot have decent stacks you have to call it.
I'd pay up to $6 in a .50/1 game for a set if there's two big stacks in a raised pot. I remember once I didn't call the raise with 66 preflop and two big stacks ended up all in with top pair A kicker K and two pair Ax for a $260 pot, I would've won with my 66 as there was a 6 on the flop. Then there's the fact that your low pair might be good if the villain is a frequent raiser with hands like AK-AJ/KQ/KJ and it's a low flop.



I would've folded on the flop on this hand, this looks more like two pair/set than a flush draw. Since you've got two pair on the turn I'd probably call/go all in as I'd say two pair is more likely here than a set. A cr on the flop is a standard play with two pair, whereas a big leading bet/cr on the turn is more common with the set.

NickyOD

I folded. He flashed 22. I thought about folding on the flop but it was a strange way to play a set that I dont' see often at these tables. I figured there was enough of a chance this was a bad player playing KT-KQ or a King with a flush draw. The ace turned out to be the perfect card for me to get away from it even though I improved my hand significantly because if he's not afraid of the Ace then he must have flopped the set.

Hectorjelly

good fold

ocallagh

Yeah I would have gone broke there! (Daithio here, ocallagh still logged in)

RMcG

Theres obviously something seriously wrong with my game, i reraise here for all my cash...how can you fold that hand...quite brilliant. Mad.

kinaldo

great laydown but what would u have done if a king appeared on the turn instead of an ace?

Doc Farrell

i don't see what the big deal is. it was a good fold but trips happen all the time and i tend to respect big raises, especially if i've only got one pair and ive put a raise out there already. anyhoo, time for me curry.

Marq

well played. I think I fold the flop, but it's a great fold on the turn. Very very few people three bet a flop in big bet hold'em unless they have TPTK beaten, and the idiots that do usually have a set or two pair.

I think it's quite lucky that you had position on this hand, out of position I think you're losing a lot more here.

NickyOD

Marq wrote:

well played. I think I fold the flop, but it's a great fold on the turn. Very very few people three bet a flop in big bet hold'em unless they have TPTK beaten, and the idiots that do usually have a set or two pair.

I think it's quite lucky that you had position on this hand, out of position I think you're losing a lot more here.

How you play the flop really depends on the nature of the tables you normally play. I guarantee you there are players at this level on the party network who play the flop exactly the same way with K7o. I actually think its an easier fold on the turn than it is on the flop.