Scary cooincidence (RE: Nostaradamus thread)

Rattle

Ok, I know when I think about it its inevitable (statistically) that a search for City of God and Manhattan will throw up something, but here follows a link to a book called City of God about New York.

http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?isbn=0452282098

For the sake of balance here is a link where its explained why the same Nostradamus passage is bound to fit some event sooner or later.

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm

So I know its just a stupid cooincidence, and not really appropriate at this moment, but it still was quite unnerving when I found it.

WhiteWashMan

im sure if you read either of those pages you would find that a) the city of god one is a novel. er about 2 religious people in new york (jewish i think) hardly enought o go on. id try looking back at the indians for stuff like this. im sure something really obtuse will pop up somewhere.
and b) the pages on nostradamus were, er, not really compelling evidence. the sum up at the end was basically that if youre intelligent enough, you can make any sort of an abstract statement, leave it a few years and someone somewhere will fit it in.

take for example back in 86 (or 87) when the adshel guys (you know the guys who put up posters on the billboards?) put up a series of posters saying stuff that nostradamus predicted it, that it was coming, this that and the other. basically, it was a series of adds showing the power of advertising. and for about 6 weeks everyone thought the world was coming to an end.

i think you are going to have to do a little more research to come up with something more compelling....

WhiteWashMan

and again...

Claim: A 1554 Nostradamus prediction said World War III would begin with the fall of "two brothers," a reference to the destroyed World Trade Center towers.
Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]



"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb, The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Nostradamus 1654




Origins: The turmoil of recent events has us all scrambling, some to look for solace and meaning, others for the terrorists responsible, and yet others for signs that what happened could have been prevented or at least foreseen. The 11 September 2001 attack on America destroyed not only the two World Trade Center towers in New York City, a chunk of the Pentagon in Washington, and caused untold loss of life, it also shook America's sense of invulnerability. No longer do Americans presume safety in an unsafe world.

For some, that realization is an eye-opener, unsettling but necessary, in that a child's blissful unawareness has been replaced (at great cost) with an adult's more clear-eyed view of the world and its sometimes horrifying ways. For others, it spells the beginning of the end, in that they equated an illusion of safety with its reality and thus now feel their world is ending. It is the fears of that second group that are given voice in the Nostradamus prediction circulated on the Internet even before the dust had settled in New York.

The French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566) penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagery that the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat true in that the images employed are so general they can be found in almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophesies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow for that.

Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophesy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results to force a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original French, bend over backwards to assert one named term is really another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction.

Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributed to him. (One wonders how a guy who died in 1566 could have written an item identified as being penned in 1654 anyway.) It originated with a student at Brock University in Canada in the 1990s, appearing on a web page essay on Nostradamus. That particular quatrain was offered by the page's author, Neil Marshall, as a fabricated example to illustrate how easily an important-sounding prophecy can be crafted through the use of abstract imagery. He pointed out how the terms he used were so deliberately vague they could be interpreted to fit any number of cataclysmic events.

It appears someone mistook Marshall's illustrative example for an actual Nostradamus prophecy and, not content to let well enough alone, added "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." A fabrication was thus further fabricated.

But that wasn't the end of it. More fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the Example section above but now concluded with:



"on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds would crash into two tall statues...in the new city... and the world will end soon after"




Similarly, another enhanced version incorporates the Example text into a more detailed prophecy:



And Nostradamus predicted this (who knows how long ago):
"In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."
"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is burning"




Needless to say, these versions are as fake as the first was.

Barbara "la cosa nostradamus" Mikkelson

Last updated: 11 September 2001

taken from http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

it really is a lot of crap.
of course, if it does ring true, look me up in hell and i'll buy you a pint

Rattle

For what its worth I agree with you, I wasnt trying to support the guy who posted the other thread, but as I explained in my first message I was a bit shaken when I found a link between City of God and New York so easily. Of course I could probably find a link between any three word phrase and New York just as easily. I was a bit jumpy to start with anyhow yesterday, when, to me, there seemed a small chance that a serious global war was beginning, the whole thing seemed too organized to be "just" a terrorist attack, though just seemd the wrong word to use.

WhiteWashMan

well, we will have to sit by our teles and see what happens wont we

Asuka

Hmmm... i personally think that the book of Revelations was closer to yesterdays incidents than Nostradamus... check out Revelations 18, on the fall of Babylon...

A

Hobbes

"False profits write many times in the clouds,
Warnings come but no one heeds.
Twelve fingers strike down and
wipe out the muppets who repeat history"
- Hobbes Quatrain 1.

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Hobbes
"False profits write many times in the clouds,
Warnings come but no one heeds.
Twelve fingers strike down and
wipe out the muppets who repeat history"
- Hobbes Quatrain 1.

noiw, if i take that, and put it into a context of my own making...
let see...
what can i come up with?

false prophets... hmmmmm... people who keep going on about nostrudamus?
writing in the clouds. an obvious reference to these here boards
warnings come... well, maybe electric shock theropy is needed. i kno i enjoy it.
12 fingers strick down. you dont need 2 people to do it. it takes 1 finger 12 stricks. but sure you werent to know back then in the 17th century were yuo?
wipe out the muppets. good luck. youll be here a long time

simon, have you lost all your niceness?
can you not hit them with an axe or something?

Hobbes

Originally posted by
simon, have you lost all your niceness?
can you not hit them with an axe or something? [/B]

If only, if only..

Just the number of muppets posting Nostro predicted it without checking to see what they are posting is in fact crap.

The Westin hotel seems to be heating up, from what I gather the guys that went in were in full body armor and numerous weapons.

Some of the radio comments are funny, one guy goes "And it looks like the bomb squad are going in and I'm getting the **** out of here".

Copley btw for those of you haven't been in Boston is part of a Massive Mall (it would be like Stephens Green(the square)+Grafton street put together.

WhiteWashMan

i think that anyone who is going to be involved in any sort of a man hunt or will be dealing with these people in any way will have orders to treat any suspect with coimplete brute force. including shooting them in the head from point blank range until the clip is empty.
and i dont pity them one bit. harsh, but hey, what do you do?

beaver

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb, The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Nostradamus 1654

Ah, not to worry... Bush isn't a great leader ;p

-Ross

Chubby

When great birds fall from the sky,
And the twins no longer stand,
Idiots will make up quotes from me,
And distribute them across the land.

Nostradamus,

llatsni

Prophesy given by Dr. Samuel Doctorian 16th August 1998 on the Isle of Patmos:
... I heard the world market collapsing with mighty earthquakes, and New York skyscrapers were tumbling ...

I've met this guy, a famous Christian Evangelist/Preacher dude. Scary isn't it. The same prophesy has a full paragraph for the 5 continents.

But Revelation 18 is scary too isnt it:
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
...

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
...

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the 1smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
...

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Oh oh.

Alis

"The third war can only be prevented by the workers in the merchants of the city of the emerald country leaving their mechanical abacus' and finding an ale house. This will be done in the 19th hour of the 13th day of the ninth moon of the 2nd year of the 3rd millennium" - Nostradamus 1654.

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Alis
"The third war can only be prevented by the workers in the merchants of the city of the emerald country leaving their mechanical abacus' and finding an ale house. This will be done in the 19th hour of the 13th day of the ninth moon of the 2nd year of the 3rd millennium" - Nostradamus 1654.

at about the 6th hour after the hour of noon on the final day of the work week, yea shall find joyous times and tall tales in the inn.
your round i believe?
-whitewashman 2001

Drakus

Maybe when somebody/anybody can predict the winners in all the races in Lepardstown next Wednesday, predict the winning numbers in any lottery(and publish before draw is held) or indeed predict events correctly(with no room for doubt) that will happen say 6 months from now I may begin to give the prediction game some credence. Until then IMO its a load of hog-wash.

smiles

Just Plain weird stuff:

d. Bomb sent at New York by the Antichrist, France retaliates
===

I p 250 (cVI-97)

In WWWIII many existing diplomatic ties between nations will be broken
and realigned. One that will continue to hold however is the alliance
between France and the U.S. A force aligned with the Antichrist will
send a bomb aimed at New York City. It will be spotted and tracked as
it approaches. The U.S. defense system will feverishly concentrate on
diverting or disabling the bomb, and the U.S. will not be able to
retaliate. As proof of their loyalty the French are asked to
retaliate, which they do with several bombs and weapons.

The response will be immediate. The American leader uses a hotline to
communicate to the French Marshal, who launches self-propelled bombs
with "tongues of fire" against the aggressor. In this war some of
the bombs will hit New York and some will be diverted. The bomb
referred to here will be prematurely detonated along the flightpath,
saving the city. Many human lives will be spent when planes flying
around the bomb, trying to divert or destroy it, are blown up.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nostradamus/part6/

Loomer

Originally posted by Hobbes
"False profits write many times in the clouds,
Warnings come but no one heeds.
Twelve fingers strike down and
wipe out the muppets who repeat history"
- Hobbes Quatrain 1.

LOL pld Hobbes

LoLth

anyone hear anything from the never wrong David Ike yet?

TwoShedsJackson

This cobblers has been proved a hoax already. That Nostradamus quote is supposed to be 1654. The fact he died in 1566 musn't have entered the hoaxers minds.

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