HH Big draw out of position.

AmarilloFats · 03-10-2005 1:21pm #1

Villain is agro preflop and semi agg post flop..PF raises are usually followed up by continuation bets..I have been splashing about a bit..and have won some big pots with poo like J7o.
We both have a little over 200$ blinds .50/$1
I raise in MP to 6 with AhJh. Button min reraises me I call.
Flop comes Qh Th 4s.
I check (planning on checkraising All in) he checks aswell.
Turn brings a 9c. ..more outs
I bet the pot.
He calls
River is a blank. (75$ in pot)
I check, he checks

What range of hands do you put him on….I think the value of a bluff on the river is decreased due to my lag image… Should I have bet the flop..????All comment appreciated thanks.

Marq · 03-10-2005 1:59pm

I think that your plan to checkraise all in on the flop is utterly horrible.there's 25 dollars in the pot, and you want to commit your remaining 200. With such a huge draw why would you give him the chance to get away from the hand? I think you're much better off leading out, that way if you get raised you can get all of your chips in the centre, and his too.

As a corollary I think that on the turn you would be much better off check-calling. If you bet the pot and he makes a large reraise, you now don't have the odds to call.

as for villains range of hands: I personally don't think he has much. He could have J9 or two small hearts, or he could have ace-rag, there's some crazy showdowns at this level. i wouldn't be surprised if you were ahead on the river.

Ste05 · 03-10-2005 2:09pm

I don't really understand his call on the turn and then checking behind you on the River, it looks like an equally missed draw, or else something like a weak Q (which also doesn't make sense because of the check on the flop!!) My gut is telling me he had something like J10 or a smaller PP??
I'm interested to see how this worked out..

P.S. It's nice to see the Poker Forum has gone back to discussing (of all things!!) Poker

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EDIT: Didn't see the min-reraise pre-flop, think HJ below has it right.....

Hectorjelly · 03-10-2005 3:34pm

I think he has Ak or JJ. A big bet might win it for you on the river, but Id let this one go.

NickyOD · 03-10-2005 4:41pm

I would normally lead on a draw like this but in this spot I tihnk you're better off just check calling. You don't want to be raising the flop here when his min raise could mean he flopped a set or has an overpair. His check behind worries me. If he makes a lot of continuation bets is he likely to bet with AK on this flop? Once he smooth calls that turn bet I tihnk you have to give it up on the river. He could easily be calling with the stone cold nuts there or has a set and is trying to get a cheap showdown because of the possible straight. A lot of the time a half pot bet on the river would be correct here but it really depends on your own read of the player. I'd let it go.

Ste05 · 03-10-2005 5:29pm

Is everyone ignoring the fact that he checked the river after Amarillofats checked???

I know it's unimportant, but it's what has thrown me off in this hand and what makes me think that HJ is correct....

AmarilloFats · 03-10-2005 10:41pm

he had JJ. and took it down.
I think with these stacks my pre flop call is ok..even OOP
I like Marq's idea of leading into him..
Should I wanna get all in with him on this flop!!??
I don't think I get paid off if I hit my flush..

what about the turn bet???Agree with Marq?
"I think that on the turn you would be much better off check-calling. If you bet the pot and he makes a large reraise, you now don't have the odds to call."
Thanks for comments..Drawing hands OOP. I will play one well one day

HH Big draw out of position.

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