Are we allowed to discuss where to acquire beer here?

rubadub

Are we allowed to discuss where to acquire beer here?
Bit of a grey area legally, seems to be on sale some places by some loophole in the law.
Seems it is illegal if you distill it to concentrate it, but if you drink it in its natural state it is perfectly legal!
Even though distilled alcohol can be legally purchased, the act of distilling and possesion of illegal distillate is against the law.

Press release July, 13th 2005

UN sees no reason to ban mushrooms.

On July 18 of this month Psilocybe mushrooms become illegal in the UK. The new law banning Psilocybe mushroom has been formulated to clarify the existing law. The existing law is a direct result of the UK signing the United Nations convention of psychotropic substances of 1971. The U.N. International Narcotics Control Board exists especially for clarification of and promoting compliance to the UN conventions on narcotics. The INCB has a tough policy on drugs and has recently condemned the downgrading of cannabis to class C in the UK and slapped the US for being soft on party
drugs. Still the International Narcotics Control Board sees no need to ban Psilocybe mushrooms. There is no loophole in the law; magic mushrooms are legal with reason.

In a Dutch court case of Dutch mushroom distributor De Sjamaan, earlier this year Dr.Lousberg, the vice-president of the INCB explained:

Low risks
In 2000, Coordination point Assessment and Monitoring new drugs(CAM) did a study on the risks of Psilocybe mushrooms. The CAM is part of the EU Early Warning Mechanism. It came to the conclusion that there is no need to ban Magic Mushrooms. The risks towards public health, criminality, public order, addiction and many other concerns are too low. The sales of magic mushrooms prevent people from going into the woods picking mushrooms and misidentification of magic mushrooms with toxic wild mushrooms. Dr. Lousberg was one of the experts working on the study.

Since then there has been no new data to conclude otherwise. In fact new research and data only confirmed the outcome of the study. Mushrooms are 100% legal.

The delegates of the United Nations did not find it necessary to put psilocin containing mushrooms on the list of controlled substances. Only substances placed on the list of controlled substances are controlled. For this reason, not only cocaine, but also coca leaves are listed. Psilocybin and Psilocin are listed, but not the mushrooms themselves. This has been done on purpose. Many naturally occurring plants contain controlled substances. If that would be a reason to ban mushrooms or plants, a large part of nature should be prohibited. Another reason not to ban naturally occurring plants, is that the UN
delegates concluded that banning naturally occurring plants is legally not feasible.

The concentration of psilocybin and psilocin in magic mushrooms is of course much lower than the pure substances. As the concentration goes down, so does the risk. The concentration of psilocybin and psilocin is too low, to pose enough risk to justify a ban. Since magic mushrooms are not controlled, neither are preparations of magic mushrooms. Only if one would separate the controlled substances from the mushrooms, an illegal preparation would be produced.

After consulting the United Nations on Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the
International Narcotics Control Board has made it clear in various letters that Magic mushrooms do not fall under international control.

International Narcotics Control Board meeting on Psilocybe mushrooms:

In the light of the testimonial of Dr. Lousberg in the court case and after recurrent questions on the legal status of Psilocybe mushrooms, the International Narcotics Control Board established an ad hoc working group to look into this matter. To re-evaluate the view of the INCB on Psilocybe mushrooms and suggest to the board; wording to use in future communications on this issue. The sessions took place from May 17 – 28, 2004. The working group discussed the matter in dept and concluded that the wording presently used by the secretariat of the INCB should remain as it is:

“At present, no plants (natural materials) are controlled under the 1971 convention of psychotropic substances. Consequently, preparations (e.g. decoctions) made of these plants, including Ayahuasca (and Psilocybe mushrooms), could be considered as not being under international control and therefore not subject to any of the articles of the 1971 convention.”
*Note of vice-president Lousberg
EU Free Trade treaty

The testimonial of the vice president of the INCB is essential in regards to the EU Free Trade treaty: This treaty, signed by the UK, forbids the UK to ban goods, which are legally produced in other EU countries. Most magic mushrooms are produced in the Netherlands. But the EU free trade treaty does not preclude prohibition justified on grounds of public health. The testimonial of Dr. Lousberg makes it impossible to claim with any credibility, that the mushroom ban is justified on grounds of protection of public health.

WizZard

The admins and/or mods say is final. Goodbye thread...

SpAcEd OuT

Totally agree,mushrooms left as they are when there sold are legal in this country why Giblet banned someone for telling another person where to get a legal product is beyond me.

You can buy ciggerrates in Spar in Rathmines,am i banned?

nesf

*raises an eyebrow*

Gordon

Beer discussion would be in Food & Drink.

Giblet

You obviously have some reading comprehension issues. The admins don't want such details posted. It is their site, they say what goes. Beer and Cigarettes are controlled by the government and have laws for them.

Giblet

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Totally agree,mushrooms left as they are when there sold are legal in this country why Giblet banned someone for telling another person where to get a legal product is beyond me.

Maybe because they were warned not to? Simple really. You can piss and moan all you like, but he didn't follow the rules. Do I really need to explain it much further? There might be a new forum which this discussion will be allowed, but for now you are only allowed to discuss and not talk about where to buy.

WhiteWashMan

rubadub wrote:

Are we allowed to discuss where to acquire beer here?
Bit of a grey area legally, seems to be on sale some places by some loophole in the law.
Seems it is illegal if you distill it to concentrate it, but if you drink it in its natural state it is perfectly legal!
Even though distilled alcohol can be legally purchased, the act of distilling and possesion of illegal distillate is against the law.

is this supposed to be some sort of ironic point?

are you unhappy with the situation between mushrooms and alcohol in the wider irish context, or is this some pointed jab at boards.ie on the policy not to allow details of 'magic mushroom' sales?

please specify, as i also, will uphold the boards.ie policy of banning people who post pointless posts that have already been discussed within the last 15 minutes.

WhiteWashMan

Giblet wrote:

Maybe because they were warned not to? Simple really. You can piss and moan all you like, but he didn't follow the rules. Do I really need to explain it much further? There might be a new forum which this discussion will be allowed, but for now you are only allowed to discuss and not talk about where to buy.

just for the record Giblet, can you reiterate why the posters were banned, and what the rules are.

i just thought id ask now, to stop someone else asking further down the thread, and i really want to make this pretty clear and simple to all the readers out there who may just not get it.

please add in the bit about it having nothing to do with the law, its about what the owners of this site say that goes.....

Beruthiel

for the last time

this site is owned by a few lads.
As they own this site, it's their property, hence they can do as they wish with it, whither you like it or not.
Just how difficult is that to grasp?

Giblet

WhiteWashMan wrote:

just for the record Giblet, can you reiterate why the posters were banned, and what the rules are.

i just thought id ask now, to stop someone else asking further down the thread, and i really want to make this pretty clear and simple to all the readers out there who may just not get it.

please add in the bit about it having nothing to do with the law, its about what the owners of this site say that goes.....

<Old Thread>
Regi: "Don't discuss this stuff until we make the Legal Highs forum, which is in doubt"

<This Thread>
Seamus: "You may discuss the legality but not where to aquire them"
<IN THE SAME THREAD>
Chuck the tree: "Hey buy them here lol" Banned
Bloodbath: "Tell me where I can get some please guys PM ME!" Banned

Bear in mind these are week bans! Nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

WhiteWashMan

Giblet wrote:

<Old Thread>
Regi: "Don't discuss this stuff until we make the Legal Highs forum, which is in doubt"

<This Thread>
Seamus: "You may discuss the legality but not where to aquire them"
<IN THE SAME THREAD>
Chuck the tree: "Hey buy them here lol" Banned
Bloodbath: "Tell me where I can get some please guys PM ME!" Banned

Bear in mind these are week bans! Nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

WHAT!

i thought they were going to be shot?

jesus, the disappointments in life i have to live with sometimes...