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Private sector sucks

  • 28-09-2005 9:03am
    #1
    esperanza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭


    My friend has just been informed that he is going to be sacked. Apparently, it's for some mistake, but he has no idea what it could be...he works in IT so it could be a million in one things. He'll find out next week though. What I want to say is that if you want any job stability, the private sector is not the place to look at the moment. You're just an object, at least in the public sector the individual is treated with much more respect and family life is supported a lot more. The private sector couldn't give a damn whether you have five children to feed...

    Well, don't want to moan too much, but I guess there's no sympathy out there. That's capitalism for you.


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  • #2
    Mezcita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    He'll probably easily get another job. On more money. God bless Capitalism.


  • #3
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    esperanza wrote:
    My friend has just been informed that he is going to be sacked. Apparently, it's for some mistake, but he has no idea what it could be...he works in IT so it could be a million in one things. He'll find out next week though. What I want to say is that if you want any job stability, the private sector is not the place to look at the moment. You're just an object, at least in the public sector the individual is treated with much more respect and family life is supported a lot more. The private sector couldn't give a damn whether you have five children to feed...

    Well, don't want to moan too much, but I guess there's no sympathy out there. That's capitalism for you.

    This has been done in the previous thread you started.

    There may be less stability, but your friend must have made a major booboo if he is getting sacked. Any company worth it's salt will have a disciplinary procedure which has to be adhered to when someone is getting fired. This normally means a verbal warning, written warning and then sacking. If he is getting sacked with no warning then it must have been a pretty bad mistake.

    You're right though, this wouldn't happen in the public sector. The tax payer would continue to pay the wage of someone who apparently isn't too good at his job (going purely on my assumption above).


  • #4
    bennyc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭bennyc


    I hear you I work for a shower where salary reviews are still on going since Jan and I will provb only get 3% :mad: . one collegue was only allowed 2days off when his wife had a child and they lost the plot when the child went to hospital a few weeks later as he had to take 2 more days :eek: another was refused any leave when a family member was in intensive care. :confused:

    Getting holidays usually means you have to be prepared to walk in order to get your leave when you want it.

    Needless to say IT jobs are few in this area


  • #5
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    I work in IT myslelf, its as cut-throat as sales. Everyone is out to stab each other in the back. This is the same in the Public and Private sectors.


  • #6
    bennyc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭bennyc


    Just to add to my little rant I am working for the private sector and contracted in the public sector.
    Less money , less time off , more hours , have to take abuse, no unions,
    no idea where you will stand in ten years, cant afford the pissy pension plan.

    And I know for a fact if I were to rock the boat too much I would be joining esperanza's mate


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  • #7
    homeOwner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭homeOwner


    esperanza wrote:
    My friend has just been informed that he is going to be sacked. Apparently, it's for some mistake, but he has no idea what it could be...he works in IT so it could be a million in one things.

    By law he has to be given the reason for the sacking so to say he has no idea is not true. He can take the company to court if he thinks the reason is bogus and in that case I feel sorry for him if he was sacked for a bogus reason, especially with 5 kids to feed. Companies are very careful about sacking people and generally have the evidence to back it up unless they are a bunch of cowboys in which case your mate would get a hefty settlement from the employment courts and the company knows this.

    You cant be sacked for doing nothing wrong so I have to assume your friend did something that warranted sacking. So whats the problem?


  • #8
    esperanza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭esperanza


    homeOwner wrote:
    By law he has to be given the reason for the sacking so to say he has no idea is not true. He can take the company to court if he thinks the reason is bogus and in that case I feel sorry for him if he was sacked for a bogus reason, especially with 5 kids to feed. Companies are very careful about sacking people and generally have the evidence to back it up unless they are a bunch of cowboys in which case your mate would get a hefty settlement from the employment courts and the company knows this.

    You cant be sacked for doing nothing wrong so I have to assume your friend did something that warranted sacking. So whats the problem?

    Thanks for your post. Just one thing, having five kids to feed was just a hypothetical situation...thankfully, he doesn't have any dependents.


  • #9
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    If he doesn't know what mistake he made, either they're fabricating something, or he deserves to be sacked for gross incompetence.

    If I made a major mistake, I'd know about it, since I'd probably be the one fixing it.


  • #10
    esperanza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭esperanza


    seamus wrote:
    If he doesn't know what mistake he made, either they're fabricating something, or he deserves to be sacked for gross incompetence.

    Well, for the moment he's just got a letter saying he's going to be laid off for a mistake. On Monday, he's having the official meeting with the manager and trade union rep for personnel.
    seamus wrote:
    If I made a major mistake, I'd know about it, since I'd probably be the one fixing it.

    I couldn't agree with you more here. It's odd. In my opinion, it could be that he hasn't been very efficient in previous months and now his company want "rid of him". I keep asking my friend what the mistake could be and he can't think of anything. It's strange, I know.


  • #11
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Unless it was something not related to the work he was doing, rather they've found out he was pulling sickies or something.... :)


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  • #12
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,366 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Is there no-one else who'd go daft working in the Public Sector? I couldn't handle the beaurocracy, incompetence or general laziness that I experience with our public sector clients in my own work environment. Some friends of mine that made the move into the Public sector have actually been asked to "slow down" by colleagues. Frankly, I'd just be bored working at that pace... (I don't even want to imagine how high my postcount on boards would be if I was working in the public sector!)


  • #13
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    If I were being fired, I wouldn't sit around for a week wondering what it was for, would you? I'd be straight in to the manager to know exactly what the story was and if there was any chance of fixing it. If not I certainly wouldn't be coming in to work in the meantime.


  • #14
    esperanza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭esperanza


    pickarooney wrote:
    If I were being fired, I wouldn't sit around for a week wondering what it was for, would you? I'd be straight in to the manager to know exactly what the story was and if there was any chance of fixing it. If not I certainly wouldn't be coming in to work in the meantime.

    I think that would be rocking the boat. I don't think it's a good idea not to obey the procedure. It is the boss who tells you what to do, not the other way round...


  • #15
    yossarin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭yossarin


    esperanza wrote:
    I think that would be rocking the boat. I don't think it's a good idea not to obey the procedure. It is the boss who tells you what to do, not the other way round...
    isn't he being fired anyway?
    As seamus said, If he has had no verbal and written warnings then he cannot be sacked except for gross incontenence.


  • #16
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    yossarin wrote:
    gross incontenence.

    :D


  • #17
    Corben Dallas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    ^^^^
    :D +1
    and thats why we have bench marking for the public services so civil servants can be fired for stuff like this......

    er hang on thats not right. :rolls eyes:
    /sarcasm


  • #18
    RicardoSmith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭RicardoSmith


    Sleepy wrote:
    Is there no-one else who'd go daft working in the Public Sector? I couldn't handle the beaurocracy, incompetence or general laziness that I experience with our public sector clients in my own work environment. Some friends of mine that made the move into the Public sector have actually been asked to "slow down" by colleagues. Frankly, I'd just be bored working at that pace... (I don't even want to imagine how high my postcount on boards would be if I was working in the public sector!)


    Sweeping generalisations... :rolleyes:

    Depends on the dept you work in. The public sector IT dept I'm in is the opposite of what you describe. Primarily down to the quality of the managers running things. To be honest its better than most of the private companies I worked in, or was in as a contractor.


  • #19
    MorningStar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭MorningStar


    esperanza wrote:
    Well, for the moment he's just got a letter saying he's going to be laid off for a mistake. On Monday, he's having the official meeting with the manager and trade union rep for personnel.
    A bit strange. What terms did they use? Laid off sounds like redundancy. An unspecified mistake and being done via a letter without a meeting. Was the letter handed to him in work? Is he still working there?

    I don't get the public sector banter about this either. Being responsible for your work should be part of all jobs.


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