Judo

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 1:52pm #1

This might seem an incredible stupid question but....

what exactly is judo andif I learned some what would I learn and how would it benefits me from a self defence goal?

grapplers over to you....

thanx

G

25-09-2005 1:56pm

Judo is an olympic sport orginating from Ju-jitsu with the help of Professor Kano. Judo involves both stand up/ clinch (wrestling type stuff) and ground work (BJJ type stuff).
Judo is practiced all over the world as it's fun, good for physical well being and competitive.
Judo for self defense? Coming from a zero start point, it can help. Helps you to deal with confrontation. Gives you a little bit of physical confidence from being fit and having the reliabiliy of knowing you're stuff works or not because there is a huge amount of "life training" involved. If you got into a shoving, pushing match judo would be helpful.

There are no strikes in Judo so I don't think it will help you much if someone punches you...unless you block their arm, duck undernaeath it and seoi-nage them.

25-09-2005 1:58pm

judo mick care to expand?

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 1:58pm

is tai sabaki (spelling may be wrong) a judo term?

is there joint locks and chokes?

how would judo differ or compare to bjj?

Dyr · 25-09-2005 2:01pm

53846 wrote:

There are no strikes in Judo so I don't think it will help you much if someone punches you...unless you block their arm, duck undernaeath it and seoi-nage them.

Apparently there was a few judo vs boxing matches waay back in the day, the judo boys came out on top except for few that got a few that too cocky and walked into knockouts.

dlofnep · 25-09-2005 2:03pm

Millionaire wrote:

is tai sabaki (spelling may be wrong) a judo term?

is there joint locks and chokes?

how would judo differ or compare to bjj?

Yes, there are locks & chokes.. it's very similar to BJJ.. Judo schools in most emphaise more on takedowns while BJJ emphasies more on ground work.. It doesn't mean judo excludes newaza, it just means they work more on throws.

As far as self defense goes, I think judo would be great for self defense.. Executing a good throw on concrete to someone could knock them out instantly.. You'd also have more control over a person if you clinched, in which case, you are more than likely to do.

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:04pm

a read a old book years back a book from the 1940s and there was strikes, vital points the whole lot in it.

ok i know judo has changed. but for my education and question lets refer to judo as we would find it in ireland today.

25-09-2005 2:07pm

tai, afaik, means body, never heard of sabaki.

Judo ground work consists of chokes, strangles and locks to the elbow. No other locks are permitted (no shoulder, finger, ankle, knee). In Judo this is also emphassis to hold your opponent down, by applying pins etc.

Bjj differs in competition in that it doesn't value the stand up as much in the scoring system. In bjj you get a point of 2 for a take down but in a judo comp you can win (analogous to a KO) by a take down. In BJJ comp you gain points from getting position (guard, mount) but can only win by submission. In bjj there are more submissions allowed. The only way to win by points in bjj is if the time runs out. In judo, as i mentioned you can win by a throw, or by holding you opponent down back to mat for 25 seconds.

In terms of philosphoy and how they roll in the gym the differences are more subtle. Basically, BJJ is all about groundwork and Judo is about both. I won't go into further detail because it isn't something i know a lot about.

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:08pm

dlofnep wrote:

As far as self defense goes, I think judo would be great for self defense.. Executing a good throw on concrete to someone could knock them out instantly.. You'd also have more control over a person if you clinched, in which case, you are more than likely to do.

when I was doing KM instructor course in israel, over there I was so suprised to see that there was a serious amount of judo, and ground work (I think they robbed it from bjj) done in the school. they only added it in last 5 or 6 years i think.

so i might be a good idea to get a bit of judo in as way of beginning my quest into grappling!

25-09-2005 2:10pm

re: judo and self defense. judo is a very slow learning sport. you go to the boxing gym and learn how to box you can leave that day, and punch some guy in the face correctly. it takes a lot of training and time to learn how to do good judo. if you meet some punter on the street it's rather difficult to throw them unless they happen to be wearing a gi. it's not impossible but as i've mentioned before, if you want to learn clinch for the street or for mma and you've limited training time, train in wrestling.

25-09-2005 2:14pm

i'll continue,

judo is a sport. i can't stress that enough. if you want to learn self defense train elsewhere. you'll pick up a lot of sd stuff from training in judo but there are no, or very very few judo clubs that teach judo for self defence. the closest would be andy ryan's i suppose.

What;s the point of KM? SD?

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:16pm

yeah see I want to get the basics of clinch, grappling and ground over the next year or so. just to compliment what I do already. like I wont be a mma competitor or anything.

so thats what I am trying to feel out, what is the best route to get the basics down. and the practice them like hell until I can do them fast and proper.

25-09-2005 2:17pm

SBG or a judo club so. i think wrestling ground work is silly.

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:22pm

re work and me own training I cant it the classes in SBG in time wise. i know its the top place.

well I am learning some at maa-ireland and I wanted to see culd I squeeze bit more in ..

judomick · 25-09-2005 2:22pm

Where do you live Millionaire ill point you to the nearest Dojo the only way to truly know what your askin is to do it!

Judo is 80% standup 20% groundwork
Bjj is 100% groundwork
there pretty much the same sport and are highly interchageable as far as techniques are concerned

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:24pm

i live in D6 and work in Pearse street. I know you said cabra sats at 12..that might be an idea. mon - thurs night I am at the KM, thai and the Kyo training.

so sats maybe an option , hardly anywhere on firdays after work???

I wanna show them damn KM Israelis when I go back next year that I know the throw and ground stuff!!! man on a mission!

does judo show wrist locks and arm bars etc??

25-09-2005 2:26pm

Can't think of any Friday evening Judo trainng myself.

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:29pm

i got a lot o Geo Thompson vids and he is a judo black belt and said it was one of the hardest tests he ever did.

he rates judo big time as a compliment to the strikes etc and street stuff he teaches.

25-09-2005 2:30pm

good for Geo. I can't see how you'd learn judo on your own.

25-09-2005 2:31pm

what age are you btw millionaire? there are only 2 types of ppl on this board. young ppl in their prime and old dudes in their not so prime.

judomick · 25-09-2005 2:36pm

saturday in cabra is a good place to start ill be there most saturdays so i can give u some good tuition on the ground bjj wise, no fridays classes thats the judoka pub day,
judo has arm bars and chokes which would be the two most used submissions in any ground fighting sport bjj has a few more but there not difficult to integrate

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:36pm

I am 33 years young. past the prime for competitions, did that in kickboxing years back. Its all about self improvement and as I said I need to learn the grappling end of things.

I 'll keep training until the last nail goes into the coffin! LOL, and chuggin beer and chasing wimmin to the sounds of Thin Lizzy and AC/DC LOL!!!

dlofnep · 25-09-2005 2:37pm

You'll enjoy it Millionaire. Grappling is fun if anything

Millionaire · 25-09-2005 2:40pm

great excellent thanks mick I will shoot for Cabra in next week to two. will PM ya when I can confirm.

at least its seems to be hands on type training which is always enjoyable.

how do they grade in judo as a matter of interest?

The KM israelis were able to do all those rolls thu mid air, throws, take downs, chokes , arm bars and I was rippin I did not know it. i ll show the hures at next years seminar !!! ;-)

25-09-2005 3:09pm

They can do chokes in mid-air? that's brilliant. do they use the butt of their revolvers to execute the choke?

in irishjudoassociation there are 6 colour belts and then dan grades. white, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown black.

For a white-green you need to perform some techniques on a coperative partner. then do some kata maybe.
for blue, brown and black you need to do the above. then you need to fight against other ppl going for that grade. who ever wins 3 fights gets the grade. that's more or less it.

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pma-ire · 30-09-2005 2:33pm

Millionaire wrote:

a read a old book years back a book from the 1940s and there was strikes, vital points the whole lot in it.

ok i know judo has changed. but for my education and question lets refer to judo as we would find it in ireland today.

Kano's early books refer to vital point strikes and grabs. But as he wanted his art to be accepted as a recreation sport and excerise these were removed over time.

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