Celtic Poker Tour - Texas Hold'Em Poker

WMeathCool

Hi Guys,

I just joined this website today because of how annoyed I was at the s****Ee that some people have been posting up about Celtic Poker Tour. I was going to go to their first event in Mullingar but couldnt make it. When I read the stuff posted on here in the days after, I was glad I didnt go as it seemed a right ripp off; another one of these con jobs.

That old adage 'believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see' came to mind however when curiosity got the better of me and I went along to their Athlone event last Thursday. They really do put on a great night. I love my cards and let me tell you, its about time that a properly run tournament has arrived to Ireland. There were bundles of staff, fabulous casino tables and unlike the rubbish i've read on here... there was indeed a chip race, the blancing of tables wasnt badly managed and there was a heap of free food for everyone there. The whole thing was so professional.

Its really annoying that some "players" from Dublin can come on here being all high and mighty and saying that they pity us country folk and what we have to deal with having visited one of the Celtic Poker Tour events. Because its not "Poker Events" we dont know what we're missing. Well, i'll tell you this, I attended a poker events once and it wasnt half as impressive as Celtic Poker Tour, which is why I went to the Celtic Poker Tour gig in Athlone on Thursday when there was a Poker Events gig on the same night. Having spoken to some of my friends that went to the Poker Events gig, I made the right choice aswell.

Make up your own mind people. Anyone who's standards are that high that they can't bare to approve anything past the M50 can stay behind it.

Ireland finally has a proper poker tour!

opr

I will be going along tonight to check it out so i'll you know tommorow what i thought.

The only thing i would say thats a big put off for me was NO DEALERS. I would have thought for any big poker tournament this was must.

Surely you get people at these events who like poker but are just not the greatest dealers in the world. I know its not a very hard thing to do but it is a hard thing to be very good at. Which for a big tournament i thought this standard would be called for ?

Do they even use dealers as the tables get down to a smaller number ?

OPR

WMeathCool

"The only thing i would say thats a big put off for me was NO DEALERS"

Another piece of flase information you read on here I suppose. They supply dealers to the final four tables. Most people can deal cards till then. But if there is a particular problem at a table they put a dealer in, one of the staff told me this the other night. He said the problem rarely arises.

Because they are a mobile tournie they couldnt possibly bring a dealer for each table.

ocallagh

What was their rake? How much was the buy-in, number of entrants, prize pool etc. I couldnt care less if i got free food or not! The reg fee is the important thing. I know a couple of the lads who wrote about their experiences at CPT events, and I fully trust their reports.

In regards to dealers, chip races, moving players.... I would guess that CPT have cleaned up their act recently BECAUSE of the feedback they got here. You can guarantee that they read this forum... Fair play to them if they have cleaned up, but fair play to the boardsters who pointed it out.

ps: were you at any of the previous CPT events that were reported on boards??

WMeathCool

That was the first one that I was at. I wasnt able to make it to the Mullingar event. I see on their website that te Mullingar event was their first one. So im guessing that it was just first night problems. I somehow doubt it that a big company like Celtic Poker Tour are going to be taht concerned about small few unpleasable people giving out on here. Anyone who goes enjoys it and goes back. Thats the vibe I got from the people I spent the night with anyway. And before anyone asks, yes we have played texas hold'em before, we were playing it before everyone wanted to play it!

I dont know how much their 'rake' was... thats impossible to determine. The buy in was €50.00 with a €5.00 reg fee. The reg fee of course being a legal thing, but at least they put it towards a draw for a poker table and chips. Expensive ones at that.

Im an accountant, i know how what kind of costs these companies incur starting out and maintaining their business' These guys are legit.

azzeretti

Sounds good.
Are you in anyway involved with the Celtic Poker Tour?

WMeathCool

azzeretti wrote:

Sounds good.
Are you in anyway involved with the Celtic Poker Tour?

No, I live in westmeath. I was at their Athlone event last Thursday. I nearly didnt go cause of the stuff i was reading on here but curiosity thankfully got the better of me. As i was saying, i love the game and was hoping that someone would get something going in ireland. I hate the attitude that irish people have towards people that have a bit of innitiative and get up and go! Thats why i said id say something.

BigDragon

You are an accountant????

You are not interested in how many entries, rebuys and addons there were???

There are a load of 'nice' games out there. The problem is not the dealers or food. Its the return on investment by players. Some of these guys are taking over 50% of the prizepool. Thats extortionate. As an accountant you should be seeing this.

The people being ripped off are the players. THATS YOU AND ME.

F tables and chips and food. Its chicken feed. A very small cost of sales when you take a huge cut of the prizepool.

You're no Eddie Hobbs mate.

WMeathCool

Have you been to any of the events?

If you have... you TRY and work out how many buy backs evryone there makes, then take into account the advertising & promotion, staff, hotel transport and all the other general costs into account.

If you havent, dont get involved in this conversation until you have.

These guys arent taking 50% of anything. Im not bloody stupid, im a realist though. get a grip fellas.

jtsuited

please remember that the bitching that goes on here is a direct result of the epidemic of badly run tournaments by a load of clueless dishonest cowboys. And then there always seem to be people (maybe like you) who choose to ignore quite significant problems (like no dealers!!), and choose to emphasise the fact that 'everyone had a great night'. Most of these tournaments that i have played in have been an absolute joke, with players who don't have a clue, and organisers who have even less. There are of course exceptions, but for the most part, they are exactly that.

jtsuited

WMeathCool wrote:

I dont know how much their 'rake' was... thats impossible to determine. QUOTE]


No i think you'll find it is possible. You're an accountant yes???

WMeathCool

Im aware of that mate. Ive been to them all. The point I am trying to make on here though is that this isnt one of these tournaments. There are people jumpin on the bandwagon that have never been to one. It just annoys me! I nearly lost out on this tour because i was ALMOST stupid enough to not decide to make up my own mind.

jtsuited

WMeathCool wrote:

No, I live in westmeath

Which is a good answer to the question: Are you involved with the Celtic Poker Tour?
!!

WMeathCool

jtsuited wrote:

WMeathCool wrote:

I dont know how much their 'rake' was... thats impossible to determine. QUOTE]


No i think you'll find it is possible. You're an accountant yes???

yes i am. and only if i went around to everyone that was there that night and asked how many buy backs and add ons they bought would i be able to answer. Averages could be done, but in my experience they are always wrong when it comes to this kind of thing.

jtsuited

WMeathCool wrote:

Im aware of that mate. Ive been to them all. The point I am trying to make on here though is that this isnt one of these tournaments. There are people jumpin on the bandwagon that have never been to one. It just annoys me! I nearly lost out on this tour because i was ALMOST stupid enough to not decide to make up my own mind.

Well in a game like poker, you have to have a fair idea of probabilities. And what does your probability head tell you when you hear about a self dealing tournament with a possibly capped prizepool?
The chances are it's gonna be one of them. Realistically. And according to you, you're a realist

BigDragon

WMeathCool wrote:

Have you been to any of the events?

If you have... you TRY and work out how many buy backs evryone there makes, then take into account the advertising & promotion, staff, hotel transport and all the other general costs into account.

If you havent, dont get involved in this conversation until you have.

These guys arent taking 50% of anything. Im not bloody stupid, im a realist though. get a grip fellas.

If you dont want a constructive discussion on your post....DONT POST.

You can easily estimate the buyins, rebuys and addons. You are an accountant after all. If not ASK THEM!!!

ocallagh

WMeathCool wrote:

That was the first one that I was at.

How can you comment on previous events when you weren't at them! How do you know the posts you commented on were full of sh1te??

WMeathCool wrote:

I somehow doubt it that a big company like Celtic Poker Tour are going to be taht concerned about small few unpleasable people giving out on here.

I think organisers like CPT, Pokerevents and PaddyPower care very much about what the players have to say on boards... Pokerevents, PPP-Pitboss maybe you could back me up here?

WMeathCool wrote:

Anyone who goes enjoys it and goes back.

This is clearly not true.. Plenty of players have voiced their opinions on this topic, and will not be returning.

WMeathCool wrote:

I dont know how much their 'rake' was... thats impossible to determine. The buy in was €50.00 with a €5.00 reg fee.

It's not that difficult to determine. Just ask them in the FO period how many buy-ins they had, and how much is in the prize pool. They can of course make up the figures, but if you pay attention to the buy ins at your own table you should have a good idea yourself.. In a frezeout it's even easier...



I'm not against CPT. It would be interesting to hear from someone who attended both events.. or even from CPT themselves. I'm sure Lenny Leonard will have something to say on this topic...

WMeathCool

Listen fellas, i have to go now... im after getting drawn into a discussion which i didnt intend on.

My reason for coming on here today was to pass on my positive experience of Celtic Poker Tour in Athlone last Thursday, and to let my fellow players know about it.

Those of you who have been there and didnt enjoy it... dont go back.

Those of you who havent been there, which seems to be the majority, do yourselves a favour and make up your own mind. I was glad i did.

And on a last note... the prize pool isnt capped.

Later fellas!

BigDragon

WMeathCool wrote:

Listen fellas, i have to go now... im after getting drawn into a discussion which i didnt intend on.

My reason for coming on here today was to pass on my positive experience of Celtic Poker Tour in Athlone last Thursday, and to let my fellow players know about it.

Those of you who have been there and didnt enjoy it... dont go back.

Those of you who havent been there, which seems to be the majority, do yourselves a favour and make up your own mind. I was glad i did.

And on a last note... the prize pool isnt capped.

Later fellas!

Good luck.

This is a discussion forum....none of this is personal. Take care.

PokerPlayerPaul

Does anyone know their what their website address is?

opr

Link to website

OPR

PokerPlayerPaul

Thanks OPR, looks good.

Lplate

WMeathCool wrote:

And on a last note... the prize pool isnt capped.

The organisers were asked directly at the Killarney tourney about this and agreed that the prize pool was indeed capped. Also the general feedback down here from those that attended was poor. The chip leader when it got down to 2 tables had 2.5 BB's, the blind structure was so bad. Basically the tournament is a crapshoot at this point with no post flop play at all.

IMO looking at the texture and tone of the original post, frankly I would be amazed if the poster is not a CPT rep unwilling and unable to defend his tournament openly.

WMeathCool

I hate to dissappoint you Lplate, but i dont work for celtic poker tour, i just happened to enjoy myself at their Athlone event.
Its funny how when i asked the company DIRECTORS in Athlone whether the prize pool was capped they said no. They said that the only thing that was certain was that it was a minimum prize pool of €10,000. If they get the numbers that pool rises.

ThePirat

hi i am a tournament organiser,having run the northwest championship sponsered by paddypowerpoker (a well run event with everything above board and transparant)
Having read the comments on here about celtic i thought i should have my say. i was in athlone on thursday attending the pokerevents game.hearing about the celtic game i decided to go on a spying mission to check it out.so off i go to the radison
On arrival there was 2 tournament organisers on the door. i pretended to b intrested in playing the event ..so in i go ....i looked around there were 180 players at this early stage ..but one of the staff tryed to convince me there were only 150 players.. ?.. there were no dealers and there seemed to b alot of players that were new to the game and had problems with dealing. . so then i sat down with 2 tourny organisersto get some more info ..the game was a 50 buy in with 3 buy backs and 1 top up of 25,,
+ 5 euro reg? max spend per player 155 euro... multiply that by 180 players and u have a max take of 27,900 EURO .so to the prize money..they guarantee 10,000 but i asked if u take 20,00 how much do u pay out ..10,000 i was told??? so i said with such a massive proffit why the 5 reg...i was told ...look at the overheads it cost 8 euro per person for food alone...tea + sandwiches buffet 8 euro i dont think so( free food ??) also there was a cheap table top a chip set for a draw from the reg. they took 900euro in reg,,so hey thats a good deal ....not ,,,about the number of staff ..there were loads of guys in black shirts standing around,,there only purpose was to collect all the rebuys which were non stop.then there were the 2 guys on the door ..probably on look out incase the guards came along to arrest them for ROBBERY.
once the rubuys were finished and there was no more money to be made.the blind level was shortened,,+ an anty was introduced to get the game over as soon as possible...all of a sudden it was a TURBO tourny??..
Celtic are on tour and are apearing in a town near u...they are heading for Letterkenny and ballina .. i would abvise anyone intrester intrested in a night out for a few laughs and to spend loads of cash to go along to the event,, but anyone that wants a game of poker ...dont toutch CELTIC with a barge poll !!!!!!!!

sickpuppy

barge poel how about a heap of pick handles the scamming fukers thieves like that should be locked upor at least beaten badly

Lafortezza

Any more direct insults on this thread will lead to some bans being handed out.
Give your opinion on CPT but no abuse.

The reason I think alot of people have a negative opinion of CPT is because, relative to PokerEvents and the casinos, these tournaments are bad value.
It's not that they don't have value, or are badly run or not enjoyable but for the money you pay you can have a far more lucrative tournament elsewhere.

Another thing that annoys people is the lack of transparency shown by some of these tournament operators. If the organisers are clear about whether the prize pool is capped, or give a total of the rebuys/topups and the resulting % going into the prize fund then people can make an informed decision about whether they want to play or not.

What really annoys us punters is when it's obvious that there has been X number of entries/rebuys/top-ups, the prize pool should be a certain amount and then the prize pool is announced as a fraction of this amount. Sometimes this fraction is very small indeed.

ZZR1100

WMeathCool wrote:

Have you been to any of the events?

If you have... you TRY and work out how many buy backs evryone there makes, then take into account the advertising & promotion, staff, hotel transport and all the other general costs into account.

If you havent, dont get involved in this conversation until you have.

These guys arent taking 50% of anything. Im not bloody stupid, im a realist though. get a grip fellas.

i worked out the average.every1 gets a top up up because u have too.there are at least 8 rebuys per table (taken from 5 tables)so it 100 euro per person.theses guys need 100 players to make the payout.the staff they have are there just to give out chips and watch tables for rule problems which most cant sort out.
You ask if any1 has been to to the events.have u been any other events which are run properly.if there are 200/ even 300 players 20k/30k.they take the lot.overheard the organiser outside in the break
(while the clock was running btw)when asked by the chip leader why give every1 a 10 k addon as it is eating into his lead/reply ..it gives the short stacks a chance.they wouldn't bother buying in if they were only getting 5k.
enough said..
and yes when asked directly on both the phone and in the event if the prized was capped at 10k was (after alot of bs about expenses and low turnouts )was yes it is.

DeVore

I'm going to comment on this simply because my finely-honed muppet radar is no longer functioning due to it *blowing up* on reading this thread.

Firstly: I've worked with The Pirat in poker-terms before. I believe him.

Secondly: I do NOT believe for one moment that WMeathCool is uninvolved. I have no proof but in five years of doing this, I've also never been wrong.
I started to dig and found that the email used to sign up that account is linked to what seem like pyramid schemes on the internet:
http://lhcb-elec.web.cern.ch/lhcb-elec/_electronics/000000dc.htm
Finally the IP addresses used to access boards for that account all terminate in Carlow. I dont know much about outside of Dublin but that seems the wrong way to Meath.
I think someone is pulling our chains lads.

DeV.

DeVore

btw the general average is 1 buyin , 1 rebuy, 1 topup. Its amazed me that despite the varying scale of buyins and top ups from 10 quid to 500 it doesnt vary much from that. Its always slightly less then that, in a 20 + 3rebuys tournie you can expect about 50 a man should go into the prizepool. In an unlimited rebuy tournie that might be a little more.


DeV.

NickyOD

Just in case it was missed before. If anyone representing The Celtic Poker tour reads this thread and are thinking of running a tournament in Limerick, please do not bother because the Limerick Poker society will make sure it doesn't go ahead. That goes for any other tournament that does not meet the criteria outlined in our forum on poker.ie. If anyone has a problem with that they can PM me through the boards forum and I'd be happy to discuss it either privately OR within this hread. As far as I'm concerned the CPT have zero experience or interest in running professional poker tournaments and their main goal is profit, profit and more profit.

Lafortezza

NickyOD wrote:

Just in case it was missed before. If anyone representing The Celtic Poker tour reads this thread and are thinking of running a tournament in Limerick, please do not bother because the Limerick Poker society will make sure it doesn't go ahead. That goes for any other tournament that does not meet the criteria outlined in our forum on poker.ie.

How will you stop it exactly? Surely if CPT want to organise a poker event they can do so if they hire a venue and all that themselves?

NickyOD

lafortezza wrote:

How will you stop it exactly? Surely if CPT want to organise a poker event they can do so if they hire a venue and all that themselves?

Don't worry I will find a way. The gardai have shut down 2 tournaments already in Limerick because of complaints about unfair payouts and those complaints didn't come from me.

Lafortezza

Surely a better way would be to get better tournaments up and running as an alternative. As much as I dislike tournaments that are badly run and a bit of a rip-off calling the cops to get one shut down sounds a bit malicious.

jem

I phoned them, listened to a load of crap and with grave difficulty they admitted it was a capped prize pool or near enough, if they have an exceptional night they would give out a bit more!!!!

NickyOD

lafortezza wrote:

Surely a better way would be to get better tournaments up and running as an alternative. As much as I dislike tournaments that are badly run and a bit of a rip-off calling the cops to get one shut down sounds a bit malicious.

Already taken care of.

ZZR1100

NickyOD wrote:

Just in case it was missed before. If anyone representing The Celtic Poker tour reads this thread and are thinking of running a tournament in Limerick, please do not bother because the Limerick Poker society will make sure it doesn't go ahead. That goes for any other tournament that does not meet the criteria outlined in our forum on poker.ie. If anyone has a problem with that they can PM me through the boards forum and I'd be happy to discuss it either privately OR within this hread. As far as I'm concerned the CPT have zero experience or interest in running professional poker tournaments and their main goal is profit, profit and more profit.

go get em nicky

Sunday, October 16th 2005
Castletroy Hotel Limerick, Co. Limerick

Wednesday, December 7th 2005
Castletroy Hotel

NickyOD

ZZR1100 wrote:

go get em nicky

Sunday, October 16th 2005
Castletroy Hotel Limerick, Co. Limerick

Wednesday, December 7th 2005
Castletroy Hotel

ffs.

Waylander

Calling the Gardai on this will only create more difficulty for yourself in the long run. This tournie is no more illegal then a legit one would be, therfore if they start closing them down, they will eventually start clamping down on all of them.

Hitman Actual

Seeing as I started the original thread, I'd better reply to some of this bull:

WMeathCool wrote:

fabulous casino tables

They're not casino tables, they're those crappy round ones. Plus there's only room for 9 players. Perhaps another reason for having no dealers is that there isn't any room for any? Also, they're too high (a bit picky by me, maybe, but if you did have dealers, your profits would be gone in chiropractic bills).

WMeathCool wrote:

there was indeed a chip race

There wasn't any in Mullingar. Have you learned how to do these since? Can you post here how you are doing them.

WMeathCool wrote:

the blancing of tables wasnt badly managed

Yes it was. Again, can you please post here how you do it.

WMeathCool wrote:

and there was a heap of free food for everyone there.

So the food is free? I'd say that cuts down on your overheads a bit.

WMeathCool wrote:

The whole thing was so professional.

You're having a laugh, right?

WMeathCool wrote:

Its really annoying that some "players" from Dublin can come on here being all high and mighty and saying that they pity us country folk and what we have to deal with having visited one of the Celtic Poker Tour events.

A lot of the regular posters on here have played in the WSOP, several EPT events, the Irish Open, etc. They also play in the Fitz, home to one of the best TDs in Europe in Luke Ivory. They know a good tournament when they see one. I'd love to know your experience in well-run tournaments, because if you think that CPT events are properly run, then I doubt you're played much beyond the home-game scene.

WMeathCool wrote:

Because its not "Poker Events" we dont know what we're missing. Well, i'll tell you this, I attended a poker events once and it wasnt half as impressive as Celtic Poker Tour, which is why I went to the Celtic Poker Tour gig in Athlone on Thursday when there was a Poker Events gig on the same night. Having spoken to some of my friends that went to the Poker Events gig, I made the right choice aswell.

But you'd have to get the night off from working with CPT to go to the Pokerevents gig, wouldn't you?

There's no comparison between Pokerevents and your event. The Pokerevent gigs ARE professional. I, and a few other guys here, had a gripe with their structure at the 300euro City West event in May this year, but at least Pokerevents listened to the comments and had a much improved structure in the next event. Bottom line, they listened to the players. They didn't feel the need to come on here under false pretenses to try and defend their game.

WMeathCool wrote:

Ireland finally has a proper poker tour!

Pokerevents? By the way, I'm not affiliated with them, which you'll see if you read some of my posts on them in the past.

WMeathCool wrote:

And on a last note... the prize pool isnt capped.

It's comments like these that really undermine your credibility.

WMeathCool wrote:

I dont know how much their 'rake' was... thats impossible to determine.

The one thing that was actually done right was that the amount of rebuys/top-ups was very well recorded. Everyone got a card with four tick-boxes which was filled in as necesary, and these were collected at the break.

WMeathCool wrote:

Another piece of flase information you read on here I suppose. They supply dealers to the final four tables. Most people can deal cards till then. But if there is a particular problem at a table they put a dealer in, one of the staff told me this the other night. He said the problem rarely arises.

Because they are a mobile tournie they couldnt possibly bring a dealer for each table.

Pokerevents can do it, so why cant you? When you get so many new players in these games, having dealers is absolutely essential. A lot of players cant deal at a high enough level in NLHE. Coupled with the glaringly obvious errors that consistantly happen, having no dealers slows up the game too much and turns it into a crap-shoot. In my OP I quoted there being 20 hands per hour in the FO period, and that's a disgrace.

WMeathCool wrote:

Anyone who goes enjoys it and goes back. Thats the vibe I got from the people I spent the night with anyway.

Anyone who plays any properly-run tournament wont go back. The people who return simply haven't played in any decent tournaments.

WMeathCool wrote:

And before anyone asks, yes we have played texas hold'em before, we were playing it before everyone wanted to play it!

So you were playing with Liam Flood and Collette Doherty in the late 70's/early 80's? Again, let us know your real experience of the game, because if you believe that the CPT games are good, then I suggest that you have very little. Please defend youself here.

WMeathCool wrote:

Ive been to them all.

I'm confused... I thought you weren't at the Mullingar game. Try to remember your lies from previous posts.

I'm getting tired of this. Is there any chance that you can reply with some intelligent posts?

Mods: Apologies if some of this is coming out as insulting to the OP, it's not meant to be.

Edit: In case I dont get to post in this thread for a while, it's cos my team won a hurling championship yesterday and I wont be sober 'til next Monday at the earliest.:)

Canaboid

DeVore wrote:

Finally the IP addresses used to access boards for that account all terminate in Carlow.

And from CPT website "All eyes were on The Dolmen Hotel yesterday as the Celtic Poker Tour landed in the hometown of Carlow for our first home event."


We're through the looking glass here people.

patmac

lafortezza wrote:

How will you stop it exactly? Surely if CPT want to organise a poker event they can do so if they hire a venue and all that themselves?

The thing with CPT is that they advertise so heavily, there was 2 tourneys in Athlone last Thursday I was at the pokerevents one but I wouldn't have known about it only from discussions here, I was impressed with it but there was only 57 players as opposed to 180 in the Raddisson, I would definitely have gone to the CPT had it not been for this website. I live in Ballinasloe and there was posters in nearly every pub in Ballinasloe and Athlone, on all approach roads into Athlone and even on the local radio, so they obviously spend some of their outrageous profit on advertising.

aidankk

you guys simply have to read the editorials from the celtic poker tour website, they are some laugh, and would do enough to discourage anyone from playing

"The players were dropping off fast at the final table in Ennis. In the next hand we said goodbye to two more players. Justin Linnane beat both Pat Brehany (9th), who was all in with 5,000 and Niall McNamara (8th) who was all in on the small blind with 5,000. Linnane who was all in on 10,000 won when his J, 4 was complimented by 4,7,J,6 & 8 on the table."


All in all the time, no play whatsoever on any hand as far as i can see..

"Again, no time passed before we lost another player. Leaving in 7th position Andy Dunne, who’s chip count had been reduced to 90,000 went all in with 3,2 suited. Unlucky for Dunne, Dave O’Gorman who was all in for 150,000 on the big blind with a J,A took the pot when an A was revealed on the turn."

NickyOD

Waylander wrote:

Calling the Gardai on this will only create more difficulty for yourself in the long run. This tournie is no more illegal then a legit one would be, therfore if they start closing them down, they will eventually start clamping down on all of them.

ok ok. Knee jerk reaction there. Won't be calling the gardai. The thought of this tour coming to Limerick makes just make me want to explode. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have sent an inquisitive email to the three people named on the Celtic Poker tour website. I really want them to be involved in the discussion on this. There's just no way we should be allowing these horrible tournaments to continue. If we as intelligent poker players are not going to stand up for ourselves then this is just going to get out of control. Deciding just not go is not enough. Its easy in Dublin because there is always a good alternative. Outside of Dublin I feel we being exploited.

Waylander

I'd be kinda surprised if they are not already involved in this discussion Nicky, and if Wmeath is from CPT then his contribution has only served to make sure that I will never attend one of their events again. Such a feeble attempt to gain some free PR, he would have achieved alot more by saying thanks for the constructive criticism, this is what we have done is response to it....

corblimey

Interesting thread and has certainly made me change my plans for Oct 2nd when CPT rolls into Cork. I'll stick to my home tourneys and the Macau.

But just to play devil's advocate here for a minute. A pool of 10k implies that what, last 4 tables get paid with a grand or so to the winner? Or maybe just last table gets paid with a couple of grand to the winner? Either way, in a field of 300 runners, with about 80% of them acting as fish, surely this is +ev for the better players here, who can wade through the crap and get some free money.

I'm not saying it's ideal, and in a field of that size, with muppets all over the place, it's a definite crap shoot, but surely it's still a massive prize pool that's worth paying into?

NickyOD

corblimey wrote:

Interesting thread and has certainly made me change my plans for Oct 2nd when CPT rolls into Cork. I'll stick to my home tourneys and the Macau.

But just to play devil's advocate here for a minute. A pool of 10k implies that what, last 4 tables get paid with a grand or so to the winner? Or maybe just last table gets paid with a couple of grand to the winner? Either way, in a field of 300 runners, with about 80% of them acting as fish, surely this is +ev for the better players here, who can wade through the crap and get some free money.

I'm not saying it's ideal, and in a field of that size, with muppets all over the place, it's a definite crap shoot, but surely it's still a massive prize pool that's worth paying into?

I don't tihnk its +EV for anyone with such a bad structure. In Mullingar they took in 25K and paid out 10K. 5K for 1st. With several tables left the average stack seems to be 6-8BBs whcih means skill goes out the window. Might as well just be playing bingo at that point.

cashman0

i'm trying to organise a poker tournament at my house if anyone is interested

BigDragon

cashman0 wrote:

i'm trying to organise a poker tournament at my house if anyone is interested

Is it in Carlow?

DeVore

I've suspended that account to stop any destruction of evidence and because I am personally convinced that I dont want that person on my site.

DeV.

corblimey

NickyOD wrote:

I don't tihnk its +EV for anyone with such a bad structure. In Mullingar they took in 25K and paid out 10K. 5K for 1st. With several tables left the average stack seems to be 6-8BBs whcih means skill goes out the window. Might as well just be playing bingo at that point.

Fair point, Nicky (as always). As someone else said on this thread or another, once the rebuy is done, they're more interested in getting out the door as fast as possible (before the cops arrive? ) than in maintaining a good bb schedule, etc. And the cap is ridiculous.

I just wonder with with a fairer schedule, would we be more inclined to let them have their 15k for doing sod all essentially?

I have no connection to these spanners, although if they're raking in 15 large a night, I might give them a shout, see if they need a ringer