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Berini M21 autocycle?

  • 17-09-2005 2:33am
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Anybody here own or know about Berini autocycles ?

    I own a 1962 Berini M21 autocycle and was wondering if anybody here has heard of them or knows the wherabouts of one.

    The one I have was owned by my grandfather and has been in storage since the early 1970's.

    Here is a pic of a similar model.......
    (I will post a pic of mine soon)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 PaulK_CCI


    Those Berini's were very popular (and still are Very sought after amongst collectors) in Holland. I can see from the photo you dug up on the internet, that that particular cycle was a Dutch bike, because it has the yellow plaque on the front spat, to signify it's classed as a Moped instead of a Motorcycle.

    These mopeds were immensely popular here in Holland from the 40-50ies onwards until present day. The bikes had up to 50cc engine, and were regulated not to go faster than 40km an hour. You then did not need a motor license for them so anyone could drive them. Hence the popularity. Most common makes were Berini (in the fifties), Zundapp, Kreidler, Puch, Tomos... IIt was a fierce competion amongst youngster of course to 'tune' them so that they could reach speeds of almost up to 100km per hour... lethal

    Nowadays, you do need a license for these <50cc bikes, and they've all been replaced by the now commonplace light scooters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Thanks for the info PaulK CCI !

    Any ideas of values ?
    ....or parts suppliers ?
    Not that I'm selling mind, it was my grandfathers bike.

    Cheers,
    Silvera.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 PaulK_CCI


    I'm by no means an expert on these classic Mopeds, but judging from the Dutch "ebay/buy&sell" equivalent, these bikes go for at least 200 euro's for a solid restoration project, and up to 800-900 for mint examples (if they get what they're asking is ofcourse a different story, but judging from the frantic bidding I think there is a quite a popular following).

    Parts are plentyfull. Loads of classic moped specialist out here that sell parts, from complete bikes to reconditioned engine blocks etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Thanks PaulK CCI.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 cap671


    Hi there i have a Berini m21, wondered if there is a register, trying to find out what year it is, chassis no 17333. engine no 22647. any help. thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    cap671 wrote: »
    Hi there i have a Berini m21, wondered if there is a register, trying to find out what year it is, chassis no 17333. engine no 22647. any help. thanks.

    Good to hear that there is another M21 out there!

    What condition is it in?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 deanta


    PaulK,

    My father is restoring a Berini M21 and he is looking for parts! He found out that Holland is the place to source the bits he needs. Can you post a few links on here so I can contact the parts dealers for him.

    Regards,

    Déanta.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    deanta wrote: »
    PaulK,

    My father is restoring a Berini M21 and he is looking for parts! He found out that Holland is the place to source the bits he needs. Can you post a few links on here so I can contact the parts dealers for him.

    Regards,

    Déanta.

    My M21 is still in storage awaiting restoration, so any links to parts suppliers would be appreciated!


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 PaulK_CCI


    Hi Deanta

    Not quite into the moped scene, but the mopeds are quite popular here in holland, so there a number of specialist for Berini, Kreidler, Zundapp, Puch etc.

    Basically I could only find one slightly larger workshop for these type of older mopeds,
    http://www.p-poot.nl/
    but I am not sure how "internationally minded" they are, and I have had no personal dealings with them, so don't know if they are any good.

    Another possible place to check is a popular Dutch forum for old mopeds:
    http://www.oudebrommers.nl/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=54
    This link should go directly to the section on Berini. Most Dutch readers will be able to read and understand English perfectly, so no harm in posting your queries in there!

    If you don't feel comfortable, you can send me your exact query and I will post it on the Dutch forum.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 gobnaitolunacy


    This is my one, note the Irish reg actually JZB not TZB

    http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/berini/Berini_3_Dualseat_TZB521.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    This is my one, note the Irish reg actually JZB not TZB

    http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/berini/Berini_3_Dualseat_TZB521.htm

    I can see similarities to my M21.
    Did you have much work to do on it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 gobnaitolunacy


    Silvera wrote: »
    I can see similarities to my M21.
    Did you have much work to do on it?

    The con rod is bent, thanks to an early attempt at taking it apart when I was a teen, but I do have another one got a few years ago (in dark blue rather than black) intended as a donor for parts. It does have a spark going, that's about all, but I have to get back to it again when there's 8 days in the week :D Could do with more old bikes in the vintage scene here, not many turn out and when they do it's usually the ubiquitous Honda 50, a Bantam or some guy with a Goldwing.

    Noticed at a rally a good few years ago a guy selling Berini engines intended for mounting on a push bike, a short-lived fad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,953 aujopimur


    Sorry to dig up an old thread, I'm looking for a piston and barrel for a 1961 Berini M21 49cc, or a complete bike with good engine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    I don't have any engine spares I'm afraid. I did purchase another (Irish registered) M21 for spares last year, however it was minus it's engine.

    I'd say your best bet is ebay (I recall seeing new pistons for sale there at some point) or one of the moped dealers / parts suppliers listed in the links above.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 411 guy


    aujopimur wrote: »
    Sorry to dig up an old thread, I'm looking for a piston and barrel for a 1961 Berini M21 49cc, or a complete bike with good engine.

    I have a Berini M13 and i'm looking for the same (barrel and piston) if i see anything i'll let you know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 magpie dave


    Hi, i've restored a couple of autocycles lately and have a few people who supply parts on my books
    go to my u-tube channel for my number "shedbuilt dave" there is a few vids of the autocycle restorations on there


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 griffomoto


    hello,

    i am posting this for a friend who has a berini pluvier but there are no papers.

    it has a uk number plate that follows the format used in late 50's uk.

    she has been told she has to re-register it as there are no papers and dvla do not keep records from that long ago.

    i am miles away so cannot check but she cannot find an engine number.

    anyone know where the engine number will be?

    thanks!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    griffomoto wrote: »
    hello,

    i am posting this for a friend who has a berini pluvier but there are no papers.

    it has a uk number plate that follows the format used in late 50's uk.

    she has been told she has to re-register it as there are no papers and dvla do not keep records from that long ago.

    i am miles away so cannot check but she cannot find an engine number.

    anyone know where the engine number will be?

    thanks!

    I own a Berini M21 (in storage) but don’t recall where the engine number is offhand.

    Has she tried to re-register it yet?
    Could be tricky with no paperwork


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 griffomoto


    hi, i read a few motorcycle papers and it's not a problem to register an old bike with no papers, happens a lot with what they call 'barn finds'.

    the dvla do 'age specific reg numbers'.

    i am in the uk so maybe different where you are (this is an ireland based forum so i'm assuming you are in the emerald isle).

    cheers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    griffomoto wrote: »
    hi, i read a few motorcycle papers and it's not a problem to register an old bike with no papers, happens a lot with what they call 'barn finds'.

    the dvla do 'age specific reg numbers'.

    i am in the uk so maybe different where you are (this is an ireland based forum so i'm assuming you are in the emerald isle).

    cheers.

    It’s different in this situation - being a UK-reg moped in Ireland. Hence why I said it could be tricky (not impossible) to get it registered with no paperwork


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 griffomoto


    from what i have read, being as it was originally registered in uk, it won't be a problem to re-register in uk.

    fingers crossed for my friend.

    in the uk, quite a lot of official motorcycle groups have a direct contact in uk dvla.


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