Dental Implants

Supercell

Has anyone ever had dental implants done here ? , from talking to my dentist this morning its looking to cost me about 3000 euro for just one, however reading online http://www.kreativdent.co.uk/index.htm comes well recommended and is about a third of the irish pricing.

Anyone had the proceedure done either here or abroad and have anything to say about the proceedure?

I lost a front tooth that had root canal done previously so its either dentures or this and the idea of wairing dentures for the rest of my life doesnt seem pleasant.

Johnson

You'd be better off getting the job done here to be honest. My mum had dental implants and bridges put in with this Kreativ Dental crowd in Budapest. They did a sub standard job, she had no come back and it ended up costing more to have it put right. Bottom line, if you have it done here, you have some come back and it will probably cost less in the long run.

lomb

il do it for u if u want in mid wales(about 2 hours from holyhead-can hire a car will take 2-3visits) for half of 3000 later this year or early next including the restoration and after care and i gaurantee a good job or u can have it for nothing pm me if u are interested

im not sure it would work much cheaper as ul have to pay 2-300 for travel and theres the hassle also but il do it if u are suitable.

FX Meister

Whay is this in the wrong froum? Maybe a mod can move it. It's a lot cheaper to get this work up the North, plus easier to get to than Budapest/Wales. As far as I was aware you can put more than one tooth on a single implant so if you need another one in the future it might not be as expensive. You could also consider getting a bridge. They put a cap over the good tooth next to the missing one with a seconf cap attached. I have two of them due to bad dentistry in the past. I looked into implants but they were too pricey. I couldn't be happier with the bridge work though. Some people just don't really care about their teeth though which I don't understand. I have one mate who has had three teeth pulled cause it was cheaper than getting root canals on them.

Supercell

Thanks for the feedback guys, lomb I may take you up on that kind offer in the new year when I have time off work again.
FX Meister, I don't know what other forum to put this in, there isnt a health or dentistry forum that i am aware of because of potential liability issues to the admins IIRC.
My dentist is a bridge specialist so they say and said that as i'm a "grinder" that this treatment isn't suitable in my case which is a pity but I do fully understand and agree.

lomb does it matter if I wait for several months to get this done and use dentures in the interim in terms of bone strength? The main root below gum leval is still plugging the gap so as to speak (but is too short to raise and attach another cap apparently).

FX Meister

I'm a grinder too. My bridge has a small steel piece that looks like a filling to combat this. But them my bridge is in a different place.

I remember reading dentist threads before but can't remember what section they were in. Fitness isn't really related to this topic so maybe there is a new forum needed somewhere.

tk123

The other threads were mostly in PI! If I was travelling then I wouldn't mind heading over to Wales or up the north but I'd be a bit iffy abt going to Budapest - just because it's far away/language barriers etc... I must go to the dentist one of these days but I didn't take up his advise about giving up drinking Coke so I'm afriad he'll give out to me!!

lomb

Longfield wrote:

Thanks for the feedback guys, lomb I may take you up on that kind offer in the new year when I have time off work again.
FX Meister, I don't know what other forum to put this in, there isnt a health or dentistry forum that i am aware of because of potential liability issues to the admins IIRC.
My dentist is a bridge specialist so they say and said that as i'm a "grinder" that this treatment isn't suitable in my case which is a pity but I do fully understand and agree.

lomb does it matter if I wait for several months to get this done and use dentures in the interim in terms of bone strength? The main root below gum leval is still plugging the gap so as to speak (but is too short to raise and attach another cap apparently).

nope wont make the slightest bit of difference tbh, as long as the root stays the bone height will be ok, as soon as u remove the root most of the resorbtion that happens happens in the first couple of months, just use a denture as u say over the root. for best aesthetics i would leave the root until u get it done. also its very easy to do for me, to just extract the root and insert the implant the same day. then u wear the denture u have over the implant while it integrates(this could be a while probably 3-6 months) then after it integrates i will load it and do the crown the same day with a cerec machine that im buying shortly. u are looking at 3 appointments, first is for a exam, impressions xrays, and 2nd for the surgery, third for the loading and the crown if all goes well .the root may get infected though if u leave it for a long time, chances are its full of rubber from the root filling so if its well compacted if/when it gets infected it will only b a bit sore and there shouldnt be a major flare up. but u never know...

Supercell

Thanks for that lomb, you say "if/when" about infection, leaving the root is a high risk?, its been there about 20 years now as a dead peice of bone (tooth originally knocked out as a kid falling off bike) , is there anything you would recommend to do to keep very clean?

lomb

Longfield wrote:

Thanks for that lomb, you say "if/when" about infection, leaving the root is a high risk?, its been there about 20 years now as a dead peice of bone (tooth originally knocked out as a kid falling off bike) , is there anything you would recommend to do to keep very clean?

well if the tooth snapped recently the canal or space will be exposed to the mouth. if it doesnt bother u leave it for now. dont worry too much unless for some reason infections are a problem or risk (like a heart murmer or history of rheumatic fever etc) as i say dont worry about it but plan on doing something in the next while.
did u get a denture made recently and did the top fall off recently?

Supercell

Tooth snapped Thursday evening, dentures are being made currently (cast made Friday morning), will not smile in public until they are ready !!

DublinWriter

Longfield wrote:

Has anyone ever had dental implants done here ?

Yes, right upper left 4 and left upper 5.

Cost was 2800 for the surgery by my periodontal surgeon to put the implants in and 3200 for the crowns.

6K for two teeth is spicy yes I know, but both my Periodontal Surgeon and Dentist are two of the most well-respected people in their field in Ireland and I look at it this way - I really couldn't have afforded the time off from work if something went wrong and had to travel a long distance.

They're solid as a rock, never had a day's problem with them since. My perio-surgeon uses the Branemark implants, who were the company who developed the system in the first place back in the 60's. I'm sure Lomb will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're seen as one of the safest and best implant systems.

Interestingly enough both my Dentist and Perio-surgeon used a dental tech company in NI for the crowns as there was a receipt from them included in the box of tricks (oral models and various souvenirs bits and pieces) that my dentist gave me when he stuck the crowns on the posts.

lomb

DublinWriter wrote:

Yes, right upper left 4 and left upper 5.

Cost was 2800 for the surgery by my periodontal surgeon to put the implants in and 3200 for the crowns.

6K for two teeth is spicy yes I know, but both my Periodontal Surgeon and Dentist are two of the most well-respected people in their field in Ireland and I look at it this way - I really couldn't have afforded the time off from work if something went wrong and had to travel a long distance.

They're solid as a rock, never had a day's problem with them since. My perio-surgeon uses the Branemark implants, who were the company who developed the system in the first place back in the 60's. I'm sure Lomb will correct me if I'm wrong, but they're seen as one of the safest and best implant systems.

Interestingly enough both my Dentist and Perio-surgeon used a dental tech company in NI for the crowns as there was a receipt from them included in the box of tricks (oral models and various souvenirs bits and pieces) that my dentist gave me when he stuck the crowns on the posts.

branemark are a very very respected implant. however , their original system uses narrow screws to attach the abutment to the implant. unfortunately any major sideways loading snaps these, meaning sometimes they get stuck in the implant. branemark have switched to the bicon system who pioneered and patented the friction lock of the abutment where breaking the abutment is unheard off nearly and even if it breaks i believe its easily retrieved. the bicon patent ran out a few years ago and virtually every implant manufacturer has switched to bicons system now.


also the screws need to be tightened with a torque wrench and do come loose sometimes. other disadvantages include screws etc are fiddly and can fall down patients throats while u are attempting to torque it.
anyway all thats a thing of the past, i use bicon myself a proven system. however because of the design of the bicon implant (a gentle fit in the prepared bone) one cannot immediately load it, and u have to wait till integration until loading it.
some specific branemarks and other implants are designed for immediately loading etc can be loaded the same day as they are threaded actively into the bone so with cerec u could really have a tooth in one day!
however the jury is out on the succes rates of immediately loading. common sense dictates letting the body heal for a time. also immediate loading means that unless the area is kept immaculately clean by the patient really u have an area bacteria can collect and prevent true integration. thats why i personally wouldnt immediately load. although i would definately consider it after i look into it in more detail. maybe one could perhaps load it sooner.their implants are really excellent and proven for normal integration for a period of time. this explains it well
http://www.bicon.com/patient/bicon_advantage.html
hope that helps.

DublinWriter

lomb wrote:

common sense dictates letting the body heal for a time.

Have you seen Professor Harris' techique where he can put in a full set in patient without any teeth and immediate load them?

I think he uses temporary 'skinny' splits to allow for immediate loading, while also using more conventional implants that will eventually integrate and take over the load in the long term

They used a similar technique for a woman on that programme 'The Swan'. She was in her late 20's and had no teeth of her own. They said the implants would be fully integrated in just 4 weeks! Sounds very Hollywood, I doubt that the bone would regenerate around the implants that quickly. My own perio insisted that 6 months went by before the implants could be loaded.

lomb

DublinWriter wrote:

Have you seen Professor Harris' techique where he can put in a full set in patient without any teeth and immediate load them?

I think he uses temporary 'skinny' splits to allow for immediate loading, while also using more conventional implants that will eventually integrate and take over the load in the long term

They used a similar technique for a woman on that programme 'The Swan'. She was in her late 20's and had no teeth of her own. They said the implants would be fully integrated in just 4 weeks! Sounds very Hollywood, I doubt that the bone would regenerate around the implants that quickly. My own perio insisted that 6 months went by before the implants could be loaded.

aye bicon do temporary implants that screw into the bone also i think its a bit ambitious though to be perfectly honest

Supercell

Interesting video on that Bicon site, the before and after images are fantastic and exactly the result i'm looking for, will definately be going for this.

lomb

im just signing the lease to the place in a few weeks, and am equipping it with virtually everything. il pm the web site link when its up, the place wont open until mid october. it will be in one of the nicest buildings u have ever seen built of welsh timber overlooking the river dovey(the welsh development agency built it recently and is a showcase in sustainability with solar panels) im having a bit of fun buying stuff for it at the moment as can buy pretty much what i want as its a clean slate