Underage Teenager asking to buy smokes.

mad m

I was walking into centra this morning and two girls(13-14ish) asked me "Would you please buy us cigarettes,I beg ya" .I said no,as I came out I said to them why would they want to kill themselfs,having bad breath, bad teeth,yellow fingers and so on.They looked at me as if I was talking a foreign language.

Anyone ever bought for kids who were under 16.Is it 16 or 18 to buy cigarettes in a shop?

I think someone who buys cigarettes for underage kids should be ashamed of themselfs.

ciaran76

Nope but get asked all the time. Same with alcohol wouldn't buy it for them.Even though about a year ago i was offered a €10 to buy 6 cans of Dutch gold for them :eek:

Sputnik

Never cigarettes but have been asked to buy drink when going into an off licence. I'd give the same answer for cigarettes though - not a chance.

Kiera

Yes. This happened to me last week when I was walking into Spar. Some little bitch asked me to get her fags, I said no and she called me a bitch. Thought she was being soooo cool in front of her friends but I wiped the smile off her face when I walked up the her and asked her what she had just said. She turned white and said “nothing”. Don’t you just love taking these teenagers down a peg or two

BizzyC

Yeah, wouldn't do it either.

I usually get asked to buy beer more though. I'm always tempted to say yes, and feck off with their money to teach them a lesson.

Endurance Man

Ye, had a similar thing happen to me the other day. 2 girls, maybe 16, where sitting outside an off license. I walked past them and they started begging me to buy vodka for them :rolleyes: . Now they where kinda hot , so i gave it some thought but new it would be lame. I hate seeing young ones drunk, mainly because i did it and looking back can see how stupid i was.

danniemcq

nah it's 2 much fun sayin no and ruining them in front of their mates. watch them stutter through another attempt at askin

Dave

Yeah a few times, I never do, when I said no to one girl she replied "Well what goes around comes around."

Did she mean that one day I would be hanging around outside a petrol station looking for someone to buy me fags and they would refuse? Skangers eh?

ciaran76

Yeah thats true they always try say something smart when you say no. I think one fella said to me "**** off ya gay" or something along those lines.

When i came back out of the shop i walked by them and said to the young guy "see ya lover" and gave him a wink . He didn't look too impressed as all his little cronies p1ssed themselves laughing and started calling him a fag !!!

simu

I would not buy cigarettes at all. I wouldn't buy alcohol either unless I knew the kids, they were 16 or older and I was sure they'd drink fairly responsibly. Alcohol laws are far too strict in this country.

JungleBunny

Would never buy alcohol for them if they asked, especially not the hard stuff, and that seems to be the only thing they want... Vodka and smokes.

It is funny watching them beg. Had a you bloke, must have been no more than 11, get down on his knees begging me and my mates to buy him "10 Johnny Blue". He even went so far as to threaten us he would damage the car he saw us getting out of. Stupidly, he failed to notice the big security guard standing right outside the shop :rolleyes:
Some kids... just no cop-on at all.

Kinetic^

ciaran76 wrote:

Yeah thats true they always try say something smart when you say no. I think one fella said to me "**** off ya gay" or something along those lines.

When i came back out of the shop i walked by them and said to the young guy "see ya lover" and gave him a wink . He didn't look too impressed as all his little cronies p1ssed themselves laughing and started calling him a fag !!!

That's hilarious.

I don't think i ever have nor would I.

Femelade

about two weeks ago a gang of us were in killarney and standing outside a pub, this young fella, no older than 10 asked one of the lads to buy him fags and drink in the pub,

when he just laughed at him and said no the young fella threatened to stab him with a knife, and then he staggered off, obviously fairly drunk already and this was early saturday afternoon!!


madness.

shellby

well when i was 16 i passed for 18 easily so i would buy them then cause i was a smoker myself .... and a bit of an idiot
now though i just say no
i was threathened by two scumbags bitches about a month ago after i refused to i was with my bf at the time he turned around to the the two lads that were with them and just said listen lads she has had a really bad day so tell your mates to get lost because she will kill them needless to say they soon left
i wouldn't have touched them but i culdn'[t get in the car because i was worried they would damage it

NotMe

[squeaky 12-year-old voice]here youngfella will ya go in da offo for us[/squeaky 12-year-old voice]

TerrorFirmer

NotMe wrote:

[squeaky 12-year-old voice]here youngfella will ya go in da offo for us[/squeaky 12-year-old voice]

I have a few girls ask me sometimes but I always say no, wouldn't even consider it. Strangely enough its never really lads, it seems to be the young girls (about 14) at are at it.

I work in Westside in Galway though, practically a ghetto of knacks and shams.

Still. Answer = no. I've never actually been threatened or had any form of abuse given my way though after saying no....maybe they have SOME manners

Pigman II

I remember when I was first legal I once or twice bought drink for younger people (they were about 15/16 y/o on average I guess) hanging outside the offo. I reckoned there was no harm in it as they'd just be sitting in a bush minding their own business and I had remembered wishing how someone would have done the same for me at that age.

Anyway about a year later I was coming home from the pub one night and for no reason me and two other guys got hopped on about about a dozen of these little freaks (not the ones from the offo btw) fueled up to the eyeballs and swinging at the nearest thing they could find. Bottom line is we came out the worst for it.

Ever since then I've never bought booze for a kid and encourage anyone else not to either. All it takes is a couple of cans and these little tykes are fueled up for a night of troublemaking.

So anyway whenever I'm walking up to an offo and bunch of kids ask me to buy them drink I go 'sure!' and take their order and their cash. Then I go in buy my own beer, pocket theirs and walk back out.

When they come up to me like a children waiting for their xmas pressies I put on the 'shrug face' and go 'sorry mate the fella behind the counter said your note was counterfeit and he took it off me.' Then I walk off and trying to keep a straight face.

The money goes to charity.

BizzyC

ciaran76 wrote:

When i came back out of the shop i walked by them and said to the young guy "see ya lover" and gave him a wink . He didn't look too impressed as all his little cronies p1ssed themselves laughing and started calling him a fag !!!

Legend!

I'm going to remeber that one!

Stephen

I used to get that a bit when living in Carlow as a student. I lived near a 24 hour shop and an off licence so the knacks hang around the 24hr looking for fags late at night. Always fun to stand there and think about it and then say "No"

"yeh foohkin prick"

Einstein

used to get asked to buy beer all the time, haven't been asked about cigs though, but the age for cigs is 18.

ebooborg

just say no, they souldnt be smokin or drinking and if you get caught ull be the one being fined

rubadub

I have bought drink once for 3 lads about 15, they only wanted 3 cans, it was a sunny day, I usually say no. They wanted budweiser which I refused to buy, got them bulmers.

Some are so stupid waiting until you come back out, I had a gang of girls near mount merrion come over after I left. I was pissed and was going to go back, then they give me this huge list, 3 bulmers, 4 wicked blue etc etc. I ask if they tried already, they had, I then said "do you not think the owner is going to cop on?".
got them a bottle of vodka each, came back 3 hours later to sexually harvest my crop of drunken 14 year old beauties (joke!)

Id sooner sell a kid hash than buy them cigarettes

Kernel32

I started buying cigs when I was 12(30 now). I was never once refused. I also lived in the country. When I was 20 I moved to dublin for a while. I was in a shop one day and saw someone refused when they asked to bug cigs. This was the first time I had ever seen it happen, after that I saw it much more in Dublin but never in the country. It seems like times have changed!

28064212

Pigman II wrote:

When they come up to me like a children waiting for their xmas pressies I put on the 'shrug face' and go 'sorry mate the fella behind the counter said your note was counterfeit and he took it off me.' Then I walk off and trying to keep a straight face.

The money goes to charity.

That's good, if a little mean. I'd be more inclined to do that, wait for their reactions, then give back their money and tell them to quit being such a bunch of wasters. Alternatively buy them something else instead, water or juice or school supplies. Or if it's somewhere like Tesco, depending on how much they gave me, a book or CD. If they asked for cigarettes, a couple of apples would go down a treat. Or some toothpaste and some mints. Something ironic anyway.

MorningStar

28064212 wrote:

That's good, if a little mean. I'd be more inclined to do that, wait for their reactions, then give back their money and tell them to quit being such a bunch of wasters. Alternatively buy them something else instead, water or juice or school supplies. Or if it's somewhere like Tesco, depending on how much they gave me, a book or CD. If they asked for cigarettes, a couple of apples would go down a treat. Or some toothpaste and some mints. Something ironic anyway.

Great method to frustrate big buckets of hormones. I wouldn't buy the stuff but there is no need to be a sh*t to anyone. Also it is a bit risky you never know what they might do . 2 teenagers can easily kick the hell out of a grown man.

BizzyC

MorningStar wrote:

2 teenagers can easily kick the hell out of a grown man.

What kind of teenagers we talking about here?

Majority of those asking people to go into shops are usually 14/15.

Don't know about you, but I'd be fairly confident going up against 2 15 year olds.

qz

28064212 wrote:

That's good, if a little mean. I'd be more inclined to do that, wait for their reactions, then give back their money and tell them to quit being such a bunch of wasters. Alternatively buy them something else instead, water or juice or school supplies. Or if it's somewhere like Tesco, depending on how much they gave me, a book or CD. If they asked for cigarettes, a couple of apples would go down a treat. Or some toothpaste and some mints. Something ironic anyway.

lmao

BizzyC

28064212 wrote:

That's good, if a little mean. I'd be more inclined to do that, wait for their reactions, then give back their money and tell them to quit being such a bunch of wasters. Alternatively buy them something else instead, water or juice or school supplies. Or if it's somewhere like Tesco, depending on how much they gave me, a book or CD. If they asked for cigarettes, a couple of apples would go down a treat. Or some toothpaste and some mints. Something ironic anyway.

Bring out some kids toys...

"Oh, I thought you said BEAR!!!!!"

IceHawk

It's generally kids from about 11-14. Older teenagers will have fake ID if they drink, or older friends who'll buy drink for them. I'd never buy drink or cigarettes for anyone who is sitting outside a shop. I once bought a kid a 15 rated game, but that's as bad as I get.

Kinetic^

IceHawk wrote:

I once bought a kid a 15 rated game, but that's as bad as I get.

you should be ashamed of yourself

cregser

When I turned 18 I did it because I could. But they're so thick, they make it so obvious when the wait a shop door and crowd around you like hungry dogs when you come out.

Now I just make an excuse like "Nah I'm in a rush", "No ID" or "They caught me doing it before" and walk straight by them. If you say anything matter-of-factly like it doesn't bother you ("my house is being robbed", ""I'm a jew", "nice shoes") you'll confuse them enough to get away before the usual "...ye fookin spa".

Attol

I wouldn't get random strangers anything. I'm about to be of age(in 2 weeks) and my little brother(15) asked me to get him and his friends a couple of cans for Halloween when we both go visit friends in Dublin. I think a few cans between them is harmless. When I was 15 I was drinking straight vodka. I won't buy him spirits or cigarettes. Luckily he doesn't smoke, but if he did he wouldn't have to ask me to get them for him much longer as the legal age is 16 over in England, where we live at the moment.

BizzyC

IceHawk wrote:

It's generally kids from about 11-14. Older teenagers will have fake ID if they drink, or older friends who'll buy drink for them. I'd never buy drink or cigarettes for anyone who is sitting outside a shop. I once bought a kid a 15 rated game, but that's as bad as I get.

Some guys asked me to buy them an 18's rated game before.


I was only 14 at the time!!! Just said no and started laughing.

MorningStar

BizzyC wrote:

What kind of teenagers we talking about here?

Majority of those asking people to go into shops are usually 14/15.

Don't know about you, but I'd be fairly confident going up against 2 15 year olds.

What number do you think you can't handle then? 3? 4? 1 with a knife? 2 with knives?
For confidence I read clueless and arrogance. The first rule of self defence is assume the other guy can kick your ass. The teenagers in Dublin carry knives and go around in gangs when you see two trying to get drink there tend to be more close by.
It's not like I am in fear of them just aware that they are not harmless. I have seen country students get kicked to hell for being smart to kids trying to get drink.

TerrorFirmer

Classic Example from when I was younger, my friend wanted to buy Duke Nukem 3D in some game store. We were about 12. At the time, it was THE game every badass kid wanted.

Friend goes to counter: Do you stock Duke Nukem 3d?
Assistant: Its 18's.
Friend: Oh okay...but do you have it?
Assistant: It's 18's.
Friend: Can you tell me how much it is?
Assistant: I'm sorry, its 18's and we can't sell it to anyone under that age.

Had to eventually get some woman to buy it for him.....guess its not as bad as intoxication though. Although, blowing away poorly digitised strippers that never turned to reveal themselves due to the shallow implications of 2d graphics with a shotgun was kinda cool....

crazymonkey

My gf needs ID to buy cig's although see is 21 this month, funny sometimes not so other times, i think its wrong to buy cig's for underage teenagers,, being asked a few times in dublin,, i usualy just laugh at them,,,

BizzyC

MorningStar wrote:

What number do you think you can't handle then? 3? 4? 1 with a knife? 2 with knives?
For confidence I read clueless and arrogance. The first rule of self defence is assume the other guy can kick your ass. The teenagers in Dublin carry knives and go around in gangs when you see two trying to get drink there tend to be more close by.
It's not like I am in fear of them just aware that they are not harmless. I have seen country students get kicked to hell for being smart to kids trying to get drink.

3 or 4, I'd tend to back down alright, if I was in the City Centre.

Where the hell did you get that rule of self defence? They dont even tell that to women in self defence courses.

Guess I can afford to be confident, I'm a pretty big guy.

MorningStar

BizzyC wrote:

3 or 4, I'd tend to back down alright, if I was in the City Centre.

Where the hell did you get that rule of self defence? They dont even tell that to women in self defence courses.

Guess I can afford to be confident, I'm a pretty big guy.

They tell everybody not to be over confident and to avoid the situation of danger and to get out of a situation not fight. I call that assume the other guy can kick your ass to keep it simple.

Confidence because you reckon you can kick some teenagers around and not consider thay might be armed isn't confidence.

BizzyC

MorningStar wrote:

They tell everybody not to be over confident and to avoid the situation of danger and to get out of a situation not fight. I call that assume the other guy can kick your ass to keep it simple.

How is compounding the fear involved when being attacked by assuming you're about to get your ass kicked going to help?
I'd call it, try to avoid confontation in the first place.

MorningStar wrote:

Confidence because you reckon you can kick some teenagers around and not consider thay might be armed isn't confidence.

You're stretching what I said, but in any case confidence brought on by ignorance, like your example, would still be confidence, foolish confidence, but still confidence. You can't call it anything else.

And I never said I'd deliberately take them on, just responded to your claim that 2 teenagers could easily kick the hell out of a grown man.

I'm not going to get into an off topic arguement here, so that'll be the end of my discussion of the matter.

rubadub

A while back there was talk of printing the off-licence name on all cans. If youngsters were caught kna... sorry "horse renderer drinking", the offy would be done.
My mate looks young, still gets asked for ID the odd time though he is nearly 30. I remember he went into the video shop next door to the offy while I went in and got vodka. The offy was not busy. Got the vodka went out and met him. The manager sprinted after us snatching the vodka off me! We just looked at him in shock, he was delighted with himself till we started laughing and both pulled out wallets packed to the brim with IDs.

Another time I pulled out lots of IDs and they refused because none had my actual age. It showed I was 2nd year in college (have to be 17 to be in the college so had to be 18), had about 3 nite-club and pub IDs (not handed out to toddlers), finally accepted them when a few old guys were laughing at him.

scuba steve

BizzyC wrote:

3 or 4, I'd tend to back down alright, if I was in the City Centre.

Where the hell did you get that rule of self defence? They dont even tell that to women in self defence courses.

Guess I can afford to be confident, I'm a pretty big guy.

It doesnt matter how big of a guy you are in all fairness. there could be 2of them facing up to your face withs a knife in their hand, a couple around the corner for backup, and god anly knows they could have a sniper on the roof of the shop aimin at you 2, jk. two or three 14/15 year olds could easily put a grown man in to hospital, using weapons or not (but more in using weapons)

28064212

MorningStar wrote:

Great method to frustrate big buckets of hormones. I wouldn't buy the stuff but there is no need to be a sh*t to anyone. Also it is a bit risky you never know what they might do . 2 teenagers can easily kick the hell out of a grown man.

Again, we're talking, 10-15 year olds. If you just say no, they'll just keep asking until someone agrees. At least the way I said, it's attempting to teach them a lesson, they won't be as inclined to do it again, and maybe, just possibly, hopefully, encourage them to think about what they're doing and stay away from the stuff. I wouldn't be encouraging what I suggested just because it's funny, I genuinely think it's an awful thing to see anybody that age smoking and being plastered.

With regard to your "first rule of self defence", shouldn't they be following it too? So you can assume they won't attack you. Besides, I would be extremely confident of, if not being able to defend myself, being able to out-run them.

rubadub wrote:

Another time I pulled out lots of IDs and they refused because none had my actual age. It showed I was 2nd year in college (have to be 17 to be in the college so had to be 18), had about 3 nite-club and pub IDs (not handed out to toddlers), finally accepted them when a few old guys were laughing at him.

They're legally obliged to ask anyone who looks under 21 for ID, and the only ID they're supposed to accept is Garda ID, Passport and Driving Licence. And you should have at least one of them.

BizzyC wrote:

Bring out some kids toys...

"Oh, I thought you said BEAR!!!!!"

Now that's brilliant. Especially with the North Dublin accent. Must try that sometime.

Kiera

Was just out having a fag and realized another thing I hate! Kids coming up to you on the street and asking for a smoke "young wan, have ye got a smoke" Does my bloody head in!!! :mad:

nesf

I'm rarely asked.

*shrugs*

Maybe I don't look very approachable or sth.

simu

I'm rarely asked. I'm 25 but still get asked for ID very often.

Tar.Aldarion

z0mg you're 25!

people rarely ask me... they just do when i don't shave

Talliesin

I ask them if they have ID proving their old enough.

Necronomicon

Nah I just say no without really looking at them. Happens occasionally too going into the off-license with beer. I've never really gotten abuse for declining though.

cil_aine

Femmy wrote:

about two weeks ago a gang of us were in killarney and standing outside a pub, this young fella, no older than 10 asked one of the lads to buy him fags and drink in the pub,

when he just laughed at him and said no the young fella threatened to stab him with a knife, and then he staggered off, obviously fairly drunk already and this was early saturday afternoon!!


madness.

seriously? my mate was in killarney at the same time and a bunch of skangers came up to him, WITH A KNIFE, and asked him to get fags for them, and were threatening him as well. thank god a garda van came driving past, saw there was an 'incident' and told the kids to effectively f*** off. same kids maybe?

StupidLikeAFox

meh, im a smoker, wouldnt mind giving someone a fag/ buying fags for them. Drink is a different story but prob would if i knew them and knew they could mind themselves, as was the fashion when i was a young lad

ANarcho-Munk

Femmy wrote:

about two weeks ago a gang of us were in killarney and standing outside a pub, this young fella, no older than 10 asked one of the lads to buy him fags and drink in the pub,

when he just laughed at him and said no the young fella threatened to stab him with a knife, and then he staggered off, obviously fairly drunk already and this was early saturday afternoon!!


madness.

Did that lad you're on about have big red hair and is really small?

I get asked by that lad a lot and i'm not even 18, dirty scangers tbh :rolleyes:

Some of the really young ones have no fear at all though....