Black men in Dublin (from Africa, not Irish)

AARRRGH

*Disclaimer: This is my observation. Please don't be a politically correct retard and say I'm being racist.*

Firstly, I'm all on for people wanting to make a better life for themselves and immigrating to Ireland.

But sometimes the (African) black guys in Dublin piss me off... I know the problem that bothers me is CULTURAL and they just happen to be black, but still, they are black, no point pretending they aren't...

1. A lot are so ****ing sleazy. Example: I was in a bar a few days ago with my girlfriend. Every time I went to the toilet, the two black guys sitting next to us kept asking my girlfriend for her phone number, more aggressivily each time. When I'd come back they'd shut up. We thought this was puzzling/amusing/annoying, but for the rest of the evening I saw they were doing this to most girls in the bar when their male companion went to the toilet.

Isn't this just highly disrespectful? I find it bizarre.

Now you may be thinking to yourself, "This is just one example, obviously they're just assholes", but you and I both know, this is not untypical behaviour of black guys.

2. AIDS. If you look at the HIV/AIDS statistics produced by the govenment each year, the majority of the new HIV/AIDS cases are from Africans. While I don't think people with AIDS should be denied access to our country, I wonder what education they're being given about safe sex.

I live in Dublin city centre, and I see A LOT of Irish girls with black boyfriends/A LOT of Irish girls who are pregnant by their black boyfriends. It pains me to think these guys could be spreading HIV around the city...

Do you know what I mean?

...

PLEASE, for a second, forget that I happen to be talking about people with a different skin colour, and comment rationally on what you think of the above. It is not a racial issue, they just happen to be black (i.e. from Africa.)

Opinions?

philologos

1) I think that there could be exceptions in this rule
2) Yes I think they should be fully educated on this upon entering Ireland even so that they dont pose a potential risk to our people.

Cactus Col

dublindude wrote:

Now you may be thinking to yourself, "This is just one example, obviously they're just assholes", but you and I both know, this is not untypical behaviour of black guys.

I don't know if that was typical or not, but yeah, those guys were being assholes.

dublindude wrote:

I live in Dublin city centre, and I see A LOT of Irish girls with black boyfriends/A LOT of Irish girls who are pregnant by their black boyfriends. It pains me to think these guys could be spreading HIV around the city...

I live in dublin too, and haven't noticed the amount of Irish girls pregnant by their black boyfriends, maybe you're just seeing the same one loads of times, in different clothes? :cool:

kawaii

Quit stereotyping grrrss!

optiplexgx270

Im going to be the first politically correct retard of many im sure after they read this.

Your being racist.

Your saying is there antionality then go on about them being black.

AARRRGH

optiplexgx270 wrote:

Im going to be the first politically correct retard of many im sure after they read this.

Your being racist.

Your saying is there antionality then go on about them being black.

No, actually I think you are the one being racist if you cannot talk about people of a different colour. They just happen to be black. But they are African - culturally very different from Ireland.

AARRRGH

kawaii wrote:

Quit stereotyping grrrss!

My observations.

Quit being a predictable politically correct no-brain.

kawaii

Grrrrs

DonkeyStyle \o/

dublindude wrote:

But they are African - culturally very different from Ireland.

OMG xenophobe :mad:

Sarsfield

So let me get this straight.

You see a mixed couple on the street and your first thought is "there's a dirty black man giving nice Irish girl AIDS"?

You can't just put a disclaimer at the top of your post and get away with it.

What you've done is the definition of racism. You've gone from specific instances (bad ones) to generalise about a whole race of people. That "African not black" thing doesn't wash I'm afraid.

Beruthiel

dublindude wrote:

Please don't be a politically correct retard and say I'm being racist

you are being racist

and I see A LOT of Irish girls with black boyfriends/A LOT of Irish girls who are pregnant by their black boyfriends.

there are also a lot of irish girls out there pregnant by irish men too

It pains me to think these guys could be spreading HIV around the city...

if they are "spreading" HIV as you state, who's fault is that exactly?
any man or woman stupid enough not to use protection in this day and age are just asking for trouble

Do you know what I mean?

no

optiplexgx270

You refer to them as black the whole way through your opening post.

Anyways im not gona argue with you over this

In the wise words of Lemmings sig: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

Son_of_Belial

optiplexgx270 wrote:

Im going to be the first politically correct retard of many im sure after they read this.

Your being racist.

Your saying is there antionality then go on about them being black.

I don't think he's being racist at all. I don't like these crazy English hen-parties in Temple Bar, does that make me racist? 'Course not. That sort of behaviour from African men here is unacceptable. People are too quick to pull the race card and I think that these guys take advantage of that fact and use it so they can get away with unacceptable behaviour. You talk racism, I notice you never said a word about sexual harassment?

whiskeyman

dublindude wrote:

*Disclaimer: This is my observation. Please don't be a politically correct retard and say I'm being racist.*

This is my observation from your post - you are a racist my good man.
Your post is so full of idiotic statements showing poor knowledge.
Point 1 - happens everywhere. Some people are a**holes regardless of colour.
Point 2 - Quarter 3&4 2004 Report issued by the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC). Of the 305 cases where geographic origin was known, 136 were born in Ireland and 130 were born in sub-Saharan Africa. Data on geographic origin is missing in 51 of the cases.
Get your facts right

flogen

dublindude wrote:

1. A lot are so ****ing sleazy. Example: I was in a bar a few days ago with my girlfriend. Every time I went to the toilet, the two black guys sitting next to us kept asking my girlfriend for her phone number, more aggressivily each time. When I'd come back they'd shut up. We thought this was puzzling/amusing/annoying, but for the rest of the evening I saw they were doing this to most girls in the bar when their male companion went to the toilet.

Isn't this just highly disrespectful? I find it bizarre.

You're right, it is. They were being scumbags. I'm sure you understand that this is generally not the way black people conduct themselves, if it were your girlfriend and other women would be constantly berated with such aggressive advances (my point is that these two men and others like them still only make up a tiny minority of the ethnic group in Ireland).
Now, how about this. My girlfriend was dancing in a nightclub once with her friend, not suggestivly or being a flirt, just up having a good time. Anyway, guys kept coming up behind them, and grabbing onto them, pulling at her arm for her to come over to them and generally groping and being sleezy. When one asked my girlfriend if she was interested she said "no, I have a boyfriend", he replied "where is he?", she said "upstairs" and his answer was something along the lines of "he wont know". So what was your reaction there? Was it that this is what you should expect in a nightclub or was it that they were scumbag white guys whom are reflective of the greater population of white males in Ireland?

Now you may be thinking to yourself, "This is just one example, obviously they're just assholes", but you and I both know, this is not untypical behaviour of black guys.

In my experience it is, just like my above example is untypical of white guys. It's a sad fact that if you go to nightclubs or even pubs on a busy night there will be some sleezy scumbag who is willing to grope every woman, chat them up and cause a scene. You just happened to come across some black ones.

2. AIDS. If you look at the HIV/AIDS statistics produced by the govenment each year, the majority of the new HIV/AIDS cases are from Africans. While I don't think people with AIDS should be denied access to our country, I wonder what education they're being given about safe sex.

I don't mean to seem ignorant, but could you link to that or something that could back a pretty dangerous claim like that up? I'm not saying you're wrong, I honestly would like to find out more.

I live in Dublin city centre, and I see A LOT of Irish girls with black boyfriends/A LOT of Irish girls who are pregnant by their black boyfriends. It pains me to think these guys could be spreading HIV around the city...

You see, now you're racial profiling. You see a black guy with a white girl and you worry that he might be spreading HIV. By doing so you are assuming that 1) he has HIV because he's black, 2) he's probably from Africa and 3) he's promiscuous. There's as much chance (probably more) that he's clean, Irish born and in a long term relationship.
Do you look at a white guy with a black girl (or any colour) and worry that he might be spreading HIV, or any other of thousands of STD's? It's a cliché, but it's a cliché for a reason that STD's don't discriminate.

Do you know what I mean?

...

PLEASE, for a second, forget that I happen to be talking about people with a different skin colour, and comment rationally on what you think of the above. It is not a racial issue, they just happen to be black (i.e. from Africa.)

Opinions?

No, not really.
And please, for a second realise that you can't start a thread bad mouthing all black people on the basis of an encounter with two and then demand that we take their skin colour out of the equation when making a judgement. You are making their skin colour an issue, not us. If you told the same story and omitted the word black I'd still call them scumbags.
However I think that you are extremely miseducated, ignorant and if not a racist at least borderline. That doesn't make me a politically correct retard, it just means I'm willing to think about a situation befor blaming it on an entire race.

Sarsfield

Son_of_Belial wrote:

these guys take advantage of that fact and use it so they can get away with unacceptable behaviour.

Some do. No doubt about it. But the OP is giving the impression this is standard practice for Africans. That's what's racist.

What's your position on white Africans as a matter of interest?

AARRRGH

optiplexgx270 wrote:

You refer to them as black the whole way through your opening post.

Anyways im not gona argue with you over this

In the wise words of Lemmings sig: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

Why are Irish people so afraid to talk about black people?

If I had of replaced the word "black" with computer programmer, or white guy, or police man, no one would have given a ****.

Stop being terrified of the "black" word.

I am not a racist - my best friend is Kenyan - I just hoped people would be able to talk about my observations (and yes, I did not point out every observation I made - I think that is pretty normal for a topic on a discussion forum) in a mature manner.

Gazza22

Sarsfield wrote:

You see a mixed couple on the street and your first thought is "there's a dirty black man giving nice Irish girl AIDS"?

You can't just put a disclaimer at the top of your post and get away with it.

Yeah you are generalising black men, saying that every mixed relationship has the possibiltiy of a HIV infection through the coloured person...that's just damn right wrong...it could as easily be the irish girl who could give the coloured person aids

Your post is reaking of racism so that "disclamer" just doesn't cut it i'm afriad, you refer to them as black the whole way through and concentrate on how their skin colour relates them to those "observations" of yours

AARRRGH

Sarsfield wrote:

What's your position on white Africans as a matter of interest?

From my experience (a friend is from south Africa), quite racist, but more culturally similar to Europeans.

kawaii

Negative stereotypes spur on negative views which lead to bad things...

AARRRGH

gazza22 wrote:

Your post is reaking of racism so that "disclamer" just doesn't cut it i'm afriad, you refer to them as black the whole way through and concentrate on how their skin colour relates them to those "observations" of yours

Did you read my post? I said I was referering to Africans. They just happen to be black. No point pretending they're not...

Why are you so scared about having an opinion about black/african people?

I clearly stated I was NOT talking about Irish black people.

Funny. I knew this would be the response.

Sarsfield

Does your Kenyan friend hit on your girlfriend when you're not around?

Does he have HIV?

Is he an exception or a typical black African?

optiplexgx270

Meh …… not bothered

Irish people, some of ye are such an embarrassment. Times like these I’m glad I changed my nationality.

ronanp

dublindude wrote:

but you and I both know, this is not untypical behaviour of black guys.

Firstly, i'm sure you can see yourself whats wrong with that sentence. And i'm not politically correct. (If you need proof, I hate jewish lesbian single mothers with red hair and disabilities.) To say something is typical of a large group of people (in this case, an entire continent) is plain ignorant.

Secondly, there's nothing you have described that doesnt happen amongst our own ..shall we say "non-african".. populace.

Sol_of_Belial is talking about sexual harassment. Asking for a phone number is sexual harassment? Did you sexually harass your girlfriend into giving you her phone number initially? And what is unacceptable behaviour? Who does it have to be acceptable to?

AARRRGH

Sarsfield wrote:

Does your Kenyan friend hit on your girlfriend when you're not around?

Does he have HIV?

Is he an exception or a typical black African?

She's female, and she agrees with me. She says there is a huge difference between east Africa and west/north Africa (most Africans in Ireland are from west/north Africa.)

Are you now trying to claim Africa does not have a HIV problem? Or are you desperately trying to think of anything to dismiss my post?

Gazza22

dublindude wrote:

If I had of replaced the word "black" with computer programmer, or white guy, or police man, no one would have given a ****.

We give a ****, as you so nicely put it, because of the way of you are exclusively linking your observations to the black community as if it was normal practice for them

Sarsfield

Of course I'm not suggesting there's no problem.

What I'm dismissing is the generalisations you're making. Nothing else.

There are black African scumbags with AIDS in Ireland. But not all black Africans in Ireland are scumbags with AIDS.

Do you understand? It's the generalisation that is racist.

AARRRGH

ronanp wrote:

Secondly, there's nothing you have described that doesnt happen amongst our own ..shall we say "non-african".. populace.

Of course!

I never said otherwise.

But what I am saying is that, for the tiny amount of black (African!) people that are in Ireland, I've come across a lot of serious sleaziness, and there is potentially the introduction of an AIDS problem.

Some stats for HIV in Ireland -

http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:wf9dnRuhRjsJ:www.ndsc.ie/Publications/HIVandAIDSReports/d1218.PDF+HIV+statistics+ireland&hl=en

"Where the geographic was known, 50% were from Africa."

You don't find that scary?

whiskeyman

dublindude wrote:

Are you now trying to claim Africa does not have a HIV problem? Or are you desperately trying to think of anything to dismiss my post?

I think we all agree Africa has a terrible HIV/AIDS epidemic, however I can totally dismiss your post regarding your "stats".

See attached graph and below report. These are the most recent figures available.
Turns out, the reverse is the case - more cases are coming from Irish born than African based on 2003 and 2004 data
Now, tell me this. Where did you get your stats?

http://www.ndsc.ie/Publications/HIVandAIDSReports/d1219.PDF

AARRRGH

Sarsfield wrote:

Of course I'm not suggesting there's no problem.

What I'm dismissing is the generalisations you're making. Nothing else.

There are black African scumbags with AIDS in Ireland. But not all black Africans in Ireland are scumbags with AIDS.

Do you understand? It's the generalisation that is racist.

When did I say "all black Africans in Ireland are scumbags with AIDS"?

You are looking for something that's not there.

I said from some observations of mine. I never said my observations mean this applies to every black person.

Irl_Bren

I would come up with a good comeback to you dublindude but you see, being Irish, I'm far too busy being drunk and going to mass.

No matter how you try to justify it your comments were incredibly racist and perhaps your Kenyan friend is also being racist in not liking West/North Africans. I don't think that anyone should be allowed to get away with strereotyping an entire continent and race like the way you did.

AARRRGH

whiskeyman wrote:

I think we all agree Africa has a terrible HIV/AIDS epidemic, however I can totally dismiss your post regarding your "stats".

See attached graph and below report. These are the most recent figures available.
Turns out, the reverse is the case - more cases are coming from Irish born than African based on 2003 and 2004 data
Now, tell me this. Where did you get your stats?

http://www.ndsc.ie/Publications/HIVandAIDSReports/d1219.PDF

LOL you've just proved my point.

50% (ish) are from Africa, yet how many Africans are in Ireland when compared to the amount of Irish people????

segadreamcast

dublindude wrote:

She's female, and she agrees with me. She says there is a huge difference between east Africa and west/north Africa (most Africans in Ireland are from west/north Africa.)

Yeah in that case, your friend is something of a racist too.

AIDS, much like your blatant racism, comes about through ignorance and lack of education on the issue at hand, not due to the colour of ones skin. Perhaps you should spend more time talking to your Kenyan friend, and less time making unsubstantiated claims here? Re: "THEY'RE TAKING OUR WOMEN - AHHHHHHHH"

AARRRGH

Irl_Bren wrote:

I would come up with a good comeback to you dublindude but you see, being Irish, I'm far too busy being drunk and going to mass.

Irish people are a bunch of drunks, no doubt about that.

Am I racist against Irish people, or pointing out an observation?

Gazza22

dublindude wrote:

Did you read my post?

Ah no, i just tried to imagine what your thread is about then pick a quote from you out of nowhere and then made up my response and hoped it made sense... :rolleyes:

TCP/IP

I think it is fair to say a large majority of the Irish population to not really like the idea of all the people imagrating to Ireland, be they black or white.

A large majority of people would wish our borders are closed and that is a fact of life.

Whilst I agree the orginal comments could be taken as racist they must be respected as this persons opinion

optiplexgx270

A suggestion for ye all

Annasopra

dublindude wrote:

Did you read my post? I said I was referering to Africans. They just happen to be black. No point pretending they're not...

Why are you so scared about having an opinion about black/african people?

I clearly stated I was NOT talking about Irish black people.

Funny. I knew this would be the response.

When you see a black person - how can you tell if they are Irish or African?

optiplexgx270

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kawaii

optiplexgx270 wrote:

A suggestion for ye all

What is that?

whiskeyman

dublindude wrote:

LOL you've just proved my point.

50% (ish) are from Africa, yet how many Africans are in Ireland when compared to the amount of Irish people????

eh no. You've just proved you cant read data / statistics.
Your original point was:

dublindude wrote:

2. AIDS. If you look at the HIV/AIDS statistics produced by the govenment each year, the majority of the new HIV/AIDS cases are from Africans. While I don't think people with AIDS should be denied access to our country, I wonder what education they're being given about safe sex.

I've just given you hard proof that the majority of new cases (although evenly split) is increasing year-on-year for Irish origin.
Since this disease is near epidemic in Africa, its clearly obvious people from this geographical region are going to represent highly in the stats.
However, it is the Irish origin who are reporting higher cases year-on-year.
Now, who needs education?

I think this thread will get the old lock n key soon...

flogen

dublindude wrote:

When did I say "all black Africans in Ireland are scumbags with AIDS"?

You are looking for something that's not there.

I said from some observations of mine. I never said my observations mean this applies to every black person.

well, you said that the actions you described were not untypical of black guys, and while that doesn't include every black man in Ireland it certainly generalises the majority of them.

As far as I'm concerned, you're ignorant. You've tried to justify yourself by saying you're refering to Africans rather than black people, but either way it's still ignorant. You've taken the experience you've had and equated that all African people are just the same. You then threw the word black in, saying the behaviour was not uptypical of black people, and tried to tell us not to pay attention to it.
The fact is there doesn't seem to be any telling you. As I'm sure you realise most African people living in Ireland are nice (or at least haven't proven themselves otherwise to you or me). Some are sleezy, some are scammers, some are scumbags but I'd wager the ratio is no different to that of Irish people.
Enjoy yourself, ignorance is bliss as they say. I'm off to join in a discussion, not a rant.
(oh, and asking for opinions, then telling people not to be politically correct retards because they say something you don't want to hear is moronic)

BizzyC

You're entitled to your opinions...

But you cant slap on a "this is not racism" disclaimer onto claims which clearly are.

AARRRGH

optiplexgx270 wrote:

Suggestion to ye all: Use

Go ahead. Anyone with a brain (and their own opinion - not an auto-response when the "black" word is mentioned") will see I am not being racist, but just pointing out my observation on something.

Would you report me if I was talking about scumbags or priests or doctors or whatever? Get a grip...

ronanp

The AIDS problem in africa is well documented and its roots are long and complex. Rather than going into specifics about Catholicism and Colonialism, I'll just say that being African is not a known cause of AIDS! Which I'd imagine you'd agree with, and im not suggesting otherwise.

I do still think you're overstating one generalisation though. You'll probably find that of the Irish 'bred' HIV infections, a significant proportion comes from Homosexual men and persons from working class areas with long running drug problems. Nobody's frightened by the fact that we have homosexuals and low-income workers running about the streets though!

Sifo

fair play for having the b*lls to post that. Granted you could have worded it better but your obviously not a racist deep down, but you should have expected to get a few accusations thrown at you. Describing someone by their skin colour is not racist, hating someone for having a different skin colour is racist.. Racism is a much discussed topic in this country atm but deciding someone is a racist by knit-picking at every sentence that come out of their mouth is ignorant....

anyways you were right they were being assholes, and they were lucky not to get a slap...

As for the AIDS comment, we should have got there sooner!!

DonkeyStyle \o/

Actually I heard them talking about this on the radio about a year ago... they probably worded it more carefully than dublindude did, so I think there's some basis for this 'importing HIV' issue in some statistics somewhere.

@dublindude, I think you may have come across as someone who has an axe to grind because some black guys were disrespecting your girlfriend (I'm not saying this is the case, but a possible interpretation)... mixing two different issues muddies the water.

Malorkus

dublindude wrote:

*Disclaimer: This is my observation. Please don't be a politically correct retard and say I'm being racist.*

Firstly, I'm all on for people wanting to make a better life for themselves and immigrating to Ireland.

But sometimes the (African) black guys in Dublin piss me off... I know the problem that bothers me is CULTURAL and they just happen to be black, but still, they are black, no point pretending they aren't...

1. A lot are so ****ing sleazy. Example: I was in a bar a few days ago with my girlfriend. Every time I went to the toilet, the two black guys sitting next to us kept asking my girlfriend for her phone number, more aggressivily each time. When I'd come back they'd shut up. We thought this was puzzling/amusing/annoying, but for the rest of the evening I saw they were doing this to most girls in the bar when their male companion went to the toilet.

Isn't this just highly disrespectful? I find it bizarre.

Now you may be thinking to yourself, "This is just one example, obviously they're just assholes", but you and I both know, this is not untypical behaviour of black guys.

2. AIDS. If you look at the HIV/AIDS statistics produced by the govenment each year, the majority of the new HIV/AIDS cases are from Africans. While I don't think people with AIDS should be denied access to our country, I wonder what education they're being given about safe sex.

I live in Dublin city centre, and I see A LOT of Irish girls with black boyfriends/A LOT of Irish girls who are pregnant by their black boyfriends. It pains me to think these guys could be spreading HIV around the city...

Do you know what I mean?

...

PLEASE, for a second, forget that I happen to be talking about people with a different skin colour, and comment rationally on what you think of the above. It is not a racial issue, they just happen to be black (i.e. from Africa.)

Opinions?

I completely agree. As much as there are obviously exceptions to every stereotype rule, the reason they get these stereotypes in teh first place is because MOST of them are like that. I also find Black women to be terrible, slow drivers.

zinc

To the origanal poster I am always glad when somebody has the balls to stand up against the intolerance of the PC world.

And yes it pains me to see such blatant disrespect but we live in a culture of fear for a host population to stand up for itself.

Dont worry though, Europeans are on the way out population wise, you may as well just live it up anyway and forget about such things lest you get full of hate, and anything that makes you fel hate as Pete said, you can do without.

AARRRGH

whiskeyman wrote:

eh no. You've just proved you cant read data / statistics.
Your original point was:

I've just given you hard proof that the majority of new cases (although evenly split) is increasing year-on-year for Irish origin.
Since this disease is near epidemic in Africa, its clearly obvious people from this geographical region are going to represent highly in the stats.
However, it is the Irish origin who are reporting higher cases year-on-year.
Now, who needs education?

I think this thread will get the old lock n key soon...

But there are probably 10000 times more Irish people than Africans in this country. For the stats to be nearly 50/50 can't you see this is very very skewed?

Education?

AARRRGH

Sifo wrote:

fair play for having the b*lls to post that. Granted you could have worded it better but your obviously not a racist deep down, but you should have expected to get a few accusations thrown at you. Describing someone by their skin colour is not racist, hating someone for having a different skin colour is racist.. Racism is a much discussed topic in this country atm but deciding someone is a racist by knit-picking at every sentence that come out of their mouth is ignorant....

Thank you.