bottom two pair runs into trouble

Hectorjelly

Playing 50 1, I have $150 and am on the BB with 45o. Villain has $133. He seems quite tight, ive never seen him get out of line. He makes it $3 to go after two limpers. Last time he did that he had AA. I call as do all the limpers.

Flop is 5c 4s Jd

I bet 8, he calls.

Turn is 8d

I bet 25, he calls

River is Qc

I consider betting, but decide to take a free showdown, or call a small bet. I hate the stack sizes because if I make a full pot bet he will have less than that bet left and I would be forced to call knowing I was almost certainly beaten. I check. He goes all in for $97

Anyone find a call here? If im beaten he has QQQ JJJ 888 or QJ. I dont think he would raise with 88 or QJ, but then I dont know him that well. I cant think of a hand I beat.

Im not the villain btw!

NickyOD

Was he getting jiggy with Acey Deucey?

padraig_f

It's hard to see what you're ahead of here. A big overbet on the end can sometimes mean a missed draw, but there are no draws on the flop. Hands like AA/KK/AJ I'd expect to reraise sooner or check behind on the river. The only plausible hands I can see that you beat are 99/TT, for a tight player I think I'd let it go.

Amaru

So come on hector, don't keep us in suspense(or did you even call?). My guess is AQs.

Hagar

67 suited probably

Ste05

The only hands I can put him on is JJ to AA, would explain his pre-flop raise, then sucking in an aggressive player with an over pair (although should have raised to see where he was) or trips all the way, and overbetting on the turn to look like a missed river. Very dangerous but possible, I just can't see him raising pre-flop with 67 or QJ.

ocallagh

b4 you put him on a hand, you gotta decide what you think he thinks you have..

You call a raise pre-flop, and bet out on a J high flop.. He prob has u on a decent J, AJ or KJ or JJ.. he might be worried you have trips, but he is not going to drop JJ-AA here. Your check on the river nearly confirms you have a J.

Now, to determine what he has. Tight player with a pre-flop raise... range of hands.. AJs(?), AQs, AK-JJ-QQ-KK-AA.
He calls a bet on the flop. Take him off AQ, AK.
If he had an O/P to the flop I think he'd re-raise you, unless he was confident he could not get outdrawn too easily, hence if he is a good player you can take him off QQ easily enough, however you can't rule it out as you don't know the player too well. Your check on the river shows weakness. He has u on AJ or KJ. He has either AJ, JJ, QQ, KK or AA and he wants a call. I can't decide which hand he has. I think I can rule out AJ... if he was as tight as you say he'd have seen a cheap flop with AJ..It's a tough call.. he either has u beat with JJ/QQ, or he thinks his KK or AA is good and you call... I'd probably call as I think he'd bet less with JJ or QQ(and I also think he'd re-raise you on the flop with QQ)..

impr0v

AQd, call.

Ste05

Any sign of an answer to this Hector, quite interested to see how it turned out?

Hitman Actual

I'm curious about the AQ answers... I dont play VC .50/1, and I'd love to know, do players call a flop bet with just two overcards? Sounds very fishy to me. Fine at limit in some cases, I'm sure, but in no-limit??

Tricky hand... the fact that he called your flop and turn bets is interesting. If he had AA, KK, or QQ, shouldn't he be raising your flop bet? Same with JJ, to build the pot and try and get all your stack.

What about 67? A nice hand to use to mix up your play a bit. But would he raise with this pre-flop after 2 limpers? Probably not.

My answer is, I haven't a clue. Come on Hector, what did he have?

Hectorjelly

He had A6d for no pair. Leading into preflop raisers often makes them do strange things, here he called with no pair and no draw. He picked up a flush draw on the turn. I dont think I made a great call, I could only beat a bluff and I wasnt sure he was bluffing.

I dont think AQ plays like that.

Amaru

Its the way you described him that i think threw most of us off. You made him out to be super-tight, so that eliminates all ace rags, and its a near certainty that he'd reraise with an overpair. That leaves pretty much AQ and AK, and seen as he pushed when the Q came down, AQ seems the logical choice, seen as the super tight thing again would go against any notion that he was bluffing.

bohsman

Hectorjelly wrote:

He had A6d for no pair. Leading into preflop raisers often makes them do strange things, here he called with no pair and no draw. He picked up a flush draw on the turn. I dont think I made a great call, I could only beat a bluff and I wasnt sure he was bluffing.

I dont think AQ plays like that.

Playing 1/2NL last week, Ive got 500 another player has 400, Ive seen him limp in with J2o, Ive been playing aggresively into him and he doesnt like it.
A hand develops where he raises on the button, I call of the bb with 33, flop comes J53 - 2spades, I bet 50 into a $22 pot he calls, turn is a 5 filling my house, I bet 120 he calls again, river is an 8, I put him all in for 130, he calls with A6o :eek:

Dave

I assume you added him to your buddy list.

bohsman

Dave wrote:

I assume you added him to your buddy list.

I have a problem with buddy lists and notes in that there are a lot of things that can change, maybe he was tilting badly or someone else was using his account etc, I do remember his name though