STT Results last 900 Games (Some Bad Beats included)

Iago

So after my last 900 STT's I figured I'd post up some results and get some opinions.

I'm doing fair to good at the moment but I feel I could and should be getting more out of these games, I've let a few money places slip out of my fingers and I've also had a horrendous run of luck,I didn't place in any of my last 10 STTs and here's how I went out in my Last 7;

1. AA cracked by 99 in the 4th hand of the game, I raised to 200 preflop and he pushed, needless to say I called. He hit a set on the turn.

2. JJ preflop in the second blind level and I raise to 300. BB calls, flop comes down J T 7, BB bets 400 and I push, he calls with A9s turn is a 2 river an 8 for his straight. He only had 3 to the flush on the flop...

3. Down to 5 players and I get AKs one limper and it's up to me I raise 800 into a pot with 500 in it and the limper pushes for the rest of my chips. I call and he turns over KJo, hits a J on the flop.

4. AKo on a flop of A 5 5, and another player goes all-in for 700 into a pot of 1000. I call and he turns over TT. T on the turn knocks me out.

5. Down to the last 4 and I'm shortstacked, I push with AJs and the other shortstack calls with Q9s and flops a Q.

6. First hand I limp with 33 from early position and two others join in, flop comes down T 9 3 and I check. Button raises to 200, BB makes it 600 and I push for the rest. Button folds and BB calls turning over 99 for the higher set.

7. First hand in the next STT and I get KK, I raise to 200 and the button goes all-in. I call and he turns over Ako, A on the flop knocks me out.

I'm not sure I could have done anything differently in any of those hands, but feel free to correct me.

As for my results over the last 900 games they are as follows (these are predominantly $25 STTs)

ITM 41%
1st 38%
2nd 32%
3rd 30%

I really need to turn more of those 2nds & 3rds into 1sts.

ROI 20%
Best ROI per 100 games 46%
Worst ROI per 100 games 3% (worryingly this was my last 100)


My own opinion is that I need to increase my ITM to around the 50-55% mark and increase the 1st ITM to around 45%.

I also think that my ROI is a bit low for the level that I'm playing at and that I really need to get it up to 25-30% consistently. Of course these results are probably too small to be statisically significant but I'm hopeful that when I come back in 2-3 months time with my next set of results they will have improved dramatically.

Any thoughts on what a good ITM and ROI range is for this level?

mewso

The only thought that strikes me is that there are obviously too many idiots now playing $25 STTs. This, of course, should be good but it becomes a minefield. I would say you are just having a negative swing and as long as you can live with that it should turn around again eventually. Most of your examples are bad beats (nothing in the thread title tut tut) and I don't think you did anything wrong.

NickyOD

Iago wrote:

ITM 41%
1st 38%
2nd 32%
3rd 30%

I think these results are very good. It's definitely better than fair. If you played on PS you'd probably see better results over time because of the softer structure.

Dr_Colossus

Yea, I'd agree that those results are pretty good based on the presumption that it’s 9 or 10 player and not 6 player sit n goes that you’re playing. Anyway in the long run I don’t think you can expect to win much more than 15% of your games which you are currently doing at the moment. The comforting finding is that you are winning more games than you are finishing in second or third – 15.6% vs 13.1% and 12.3% respectively. Keep up the good work.

impr0v

My results in the same, predominantly $25, VC stts are pretty close to yours over my last 750, though crucially you have a better proportion of 1st places to 3rd's.

ITM: 40%

of which

1st: 32%
2nd: 28%
3rd: 40%

To put it bluntly, my returns for these stts just don't justify the time invested in them. I've embarked on a second set of 750 with some changes made to my game but, as musician said above, the proportion of idiots playing these game, while ostensibly a good thing, means that significantly improving these results is an uphill battle.

That being said, HJ posted fantastic results from a set of 3000 that he played, so perhaps ability is more of a problem than i'm prepared to admit.

Iago

impr0v wrote:

My results in the same, predominantly $25, VC stts are pretty close to yours over my last 750, though crucially you have a better proportion of 1st places to 3rd's.

ITM: 40%

of which

1st: 32%
2nd: 28%
3rd: 40%

To put it bluntly, my returns for these stts just don't justify the time invested in them. I've embarked on a second set of 750 with some changes made to my game but, as musician said above, the proportion of idiots playing these game, while ostensibly a good thing, means that significantly improving these results is an uphill battle.

That being said, HJ posted fantastic results from a set of 3000 that he played, so perhaps ability is more of a problem than i'm prepared to admit.

Yeah HJ's results are very impressive for this level, I do believe that it's possible to get to 20-25% win rate at these tables which would make it very worthwhile, but there will always be a downswing when playing against some of the very bad players at this level.

musician wrote:

The only thought that strikes me is that there are obviously too many idiots now playing $25 STTs. This, of course, should be good but it becomes a minefield.

Couldn't agree more, there seems to be a huge amount of players at this level who don't have the first idea of how to play the game. I've lost count of the number of times players have gone all-in in the first hand with A2 or A3 suited to win 100 chips if everyone folds or get called and beaten by a better hand like...55 or 77 or something, which is a completely justified call of course

The problem is that when you raise with your AA, KK, QQ you're invariably called and a certain percentage of that time you're going to be outdrawn. If this happens enough you (I) start to believe I'm the only player who knows what they're doing and run into good players playing strong hands (also known as tilt)

It's demoralising to get outdrawn 4-5 times in a row by people calling with muck. Prime example the other night. we were 5 handed and I was 2nd last to act, raised to 800 (blinds at 100-200) SB and BB both called. flop came down 8 8 T rainbow. checked to me and I pushed for 1,600 into a pot of 2,400. SB folded and BB called for the rest of his stack 1,200 with A5o...

turn was a T and river a rag and we split the pot. I was holding A4s btw, and yes it was a semi-bluff preflop and a full blown bluff post flop but my move was a lot stronger than his. How could he possibly justify making that call?? The mind boggles...it's becoming an increasing trend at the $25 level though, as you put it, it's like walking through a minefield.

Shortstack

There is not much wrong with your results in these. If they were all $25 then you would have made $4500. If you can play 900 in a month then that is not a bad wage.

You should try one of the sites that do two-table sit & go's. They play similarly to STT's in that you can get the same ITM's by playing solid poker. If anything more lemmings play these than STT's. Obviously as there are twice as many players then you get more money. 4 places pay in most of these 40/30/20/10.

I keep trying to go on runs in single and double table games but I can't seem to keep my focus on them for too long. I always end up going back to MTT's or Cash games.

NickyOD

Shortstack wrote:

If anything more lemmings play these than STT's

lol. I don't know why that made me laugh so much. My next goal in poker will be to call someone a lemming.

Iago

just got knocked out of two STTs with AA

first game 33 hit a set on the flop.

2nd game all-in against AKo and he hit his A high flush

it's only a downswing, it's only a downswing...