MMA League Final Round 2005 "Revelations"

mark.leonard · 23-08-2005 1:11pm #1

The last leg of the MMA League 2005 is fast approaching and it is sure to be an exciting event as many of the divisions are neck and neck!
The Dublin event last year was huge and as all the other legs were bigger this year there is a danger we might not have enough space for everyone who wishes to enter, so please break the trend this time around and get your entry forms to Colm early.

I want to remind any first timers that although this is the last event of the year, the Rookie division will still be active. If you are interested in trying MMA the safe, easy and fun way then get your entry form in as well.

For all the information about this event or to purchase DVD's of previous events log on to http://www.mmaleague.com , the site has been updated with all the information you need about the event in Dublin including accommodation listings on the About page

dlofnep · 23-08-2005 1:17pm

We're all going to be there in full force for this one. Event is on a little early for people who have to make the drive - But no matter. Should be a good one..

Colm_OReilly · 23-08-2005 2:51pm

Guys there are limited spaces available for Revelations so get those entries in.

Revelations - offering MMA of biblical proportions!

Colm

mark.leonard · 23-08-2005 3:12pm

dlofnep wrote:

We're all going to be there in full force for this one. Event is on a little early for people who have to make the drive - But no matter. Should be a good one..

I agree John, but we have a limited amount of time in the UCD hall so we need to get started as quickly as we can.

The Accommodation list on the About page of the site has the info for three very reasonable hostels, and I heartily reccommend staying the night before, to help competitors beat any jet lag in the ring. The after party last year was off the hook too so why not make a weekend of it!

I am already booked into Kinlay for this one as trying to drive up the day of the event last year wrecked me, it seems like a good idea, but trust me staying in a hostel is the way to go!

john kavanagh · 23-08-2005 3:44pm

this will not be on any chain, hook or such devices

dlofnep · 23-08-2005 5:11pm

mark.leonard wrote:

I agree John, but we have a limited amount of time in the UCD hall so we need to get started as quickly as we can.

The Accommodation list on the About page of the site has the info for three very reasonable hostels, and I heartily reccommend staying the night before, to help competitors beat any jet lag in the ring. The after party last year was off the hook too so why not make a weekend of it!

I am already booked into Kinlay for this one as trying to drive up the day of the event last year wrecked me, it seems like a good idea, but trust me staying in a hostel is the way to go!

Good idea Mark. Sitting in a car for 3 or 4 hours doesn't do much for you. We'll be there either way, hopefully for the afterparty too!

TwoKingMick · 23-08-2005 5:34pm

What about after the party?

dlofnep · 23-08-2005 5:46pm

We can have an afterparty for the afterparty and then some drunken-jitsu.

TwoKingMick · 23-08-2005 5:53pm

In the hotel lobby?

dlofnep · 23-08-2005 5:54pm

Looks perfect to me.

Clive · 23-08-2005 6:48pm

I´ll be there for the party, and probably the pre-party comp thing too.

dlofnep · 23-08-2005 7:10pm

I bet you're drinking already in preperation, aren't you Clive?

kerinsp · 24-08-2005 8:55am

Hey gents,
is this mma league really a bjj competition? I mean if there are no head shots then is there much striking?

Tim_Murphy · 24-08-2005 9:22am

Hey gents,
is this mma league really a bjj competition? I mean if there are no head shots then is there much striking?

Well I was throwing back kicks at the event last year! :cool:

The amount of striking varies a lot from fight to fight. There was a few great standup fights in the last event in Lisburn.

Roper · 24-08-2005 11:47am

May just make a special guest appearance........... :eek:

Colm_OReilly · 24-08-2005 12:48pm

is this mma league really a bjj competition? I mean if there are no head shots then is there much striking?

What Tim said. Some people will be all about the zhoo zhitsu but then there's a lot who relish in their opportunity to punch someone. There's nothing funnier, or indeed more gratifying, then punching someone in the belly!

Colm

dlofnep · 24-08-2005 1:11pm

No, I can vouch that it is definitely not BJJ. It took me about 25 knees to realise.

mark.leonard · 24-08-2005 3:20pm

kerinsp wrote:

Hey gents,
is this mma league really a bjj competition? I mean if there are no head shots then is there much striking?

As the others have said - Styles make fights! Although it is very hard to stop someone to the body when there are no head shots several people try, it al depends what people's backgrounds are. A lot of the TKD or Karate guys like to stand up for a while, whereas Judo and Jitz guys push to get to the ground sooner rather than later.

Colm_OReilly · 24-08-2005 5:51pm

Guys I've already started getting entries in. Last year I didn't get any entries until October. So Mark's not joking when he says get those entries in.

Colm

dlofnep · 24-08-2005 6:17pm

I'll send mine off during the week Colm.

the_rook · 26-08-2005 1:43pm

Hi Guys,

Am I correct in assuming you only get 2 fights on the day? I've never fought MMA rules and I know it will be quite cardio intensive but I wouldn't travel far to compete in an event with just 2 fights. What happens if you by chance get paired up with either the worse or best in your category, surely inaccuarate league positions will result?

I'm aware that this league is fought over 4 different days around the country and is this how you insure people get to fight an even spread of competitors.

Anyway, my questions, would it be possible to get more fights on the day? What happens if you put your self down for U85 but you're U80 on the day. Can you swap down? Or if you play it optimistically and put yourself down as U80 but you're actually U85, will you get accomodated.

I see Colm O Reilly is saying that there is limited spots available. Is this due to time contraints? And will this effect ppl sldiing up the weight cathegories on the day?

I know in some BJJ/ Judo compeitions, if you don't make the weight you signed up on, on the day, you're disqualified, will this happen here?

Colm_OReilly · 26-08-2005 3:55pm

The Rock,

If you fail to make weight you are placed in the next highest weight category. You will not be disqualified.

Limited places are available due to time, space and resources. However, this should not be a cause for concern. If you're a rookie, you'll be paired against rookies so there's no need to play around with the idea for weeks and then enter. If you're not a rookie, stop being complacent and get that entry form in.

Colm

dlofnep · 26-08-2005 5:43pm

2 fights is more than enough.

the_rook · 28-08-2005 12:26pm

Colm_OReilly wrote:

The Rock,

If you fail to make weight you are placed in the next highest weight category. You will not be disqualified.

Limited places are available due to time, space and resources. However, this should not be a cause for concern. If you're a rookie, you'll be paired against rookies so there's no need to play around with the idea for weeks and then enter. If you're not a rookie, stop being complacent and get that entry form in.

Colm

YES SENSEI!

Chill dude I'll get the thing in asap. What's rookie, someone that's not fought in the league before? What happens if you consider yourself a badass? which i don't.

Colm_OReilly · 28-08-2005 1:10pm

That wasn't a go at you rock, just as an event organiser it can get frustrating/added hassle with late entries. So you have to keep on reiterating the message to get those entries in.

Yup a rookie is someone who has yet to compete in the league before. There are other criteria but that's the jist of it.

the_rook · 28-08-2005 1:11pm

I'm not a carraig.

the_rook · 28-08-2005 5:16pm

Seeing that all i do is complain.

I've been watching some MMA league on DVD and there seems to be some ambiguity about some of the rules. What happens if some one boxes you in the face? Does it matter if they do it purely by accident due to being an incompetent boxer? Or you duck your head? Or heat of the moment? Some of the matches I've seen there has been immediate disqualification (it was punch to the head while the puncher was in mount). the other one was just a punch to the head standing there was just a pause and restart. So what's the rule?

Also, expanding on my novice argument. I just saw an example in it. I can't remember which MMA league it was but there was one guy, who seemed to be a complete novice, certainly had no stand up anyway to be seen. The dude he was fighting however, obviously had a good bit of Thai under his belt. As luck would have it, the same guy was teaching in SBG in Harold's cross. So it appears a blue belt in bjj with a lot of THai was fighting someone who never fought before. I'm almost certain this was in the first round so it should have been a novice v novice. I'm making the point because if you only get 2 fights, and 1 of them is against a guy with much much more experience, what do you learn? how to get kicked and kneed? And the other dude, what did he gain? A chance to practice with a mobile punchbag?

Technically speaking, If JOhn KAavangh put his name down for MMA league, would be classified as a novice because he hasn't fought in the league before and has not fought "pro" rules in the last 6 months?

Also noticing that Colm O'reilly himself fought in the league, so it is possible to find yourself fighting a coach from bjj in an amateur league?

I accept that some of these fights may have been AGES ago.

the_rook · 28-08-2005 5:19pm

Please pardon my repetivie posting, but i've a question for Clive.

Why did you wear a Gi in the league? Cos you're a badass? Would you recommend it? I would appreacite a Gi on the ground for choke/strangle defense but it would be an advantage to your opponent to take you down. Or grab you by the lapels and punch,knee you. What is your opinion. I might wear a gi, i'm trying to source a black and red kwon one, should look gas. (it will be a proper judo/bjj gi, not a karate one)

dlofnep · 28-08-2005 9:52pm

No, don't use a gi in MMA.

And if someone hits you by accident, I think it's ok once but if it happens twice it's a DQ. Not totally sure about that one.

mark.leonard · 29-08-2005 10:28am

The_Rook wrote:

I've been watching some MMA league on DVD and there seems to be some ambiguity about some of the rules. What happens if some one boxes you in the face? Does it matter if they do it purely by accident due to being an incompetent boxer? Or you duck your head? Or heat of the moment? Some of the matches I've seen there has been immediate disqualification (it was punch to the head while the puncher was in mount). the other one was just a punch to the head standing there was just a pause and restart. So what's the rule?

dlofnep wrote:

And if someone hits you by accident, I think it's ok once but if it happens twice it's a DQ. Not totally sure about that one.

John is correct, if a head shot is completely unintentional AND there is no injury to the other party the fights are allowed to continue, but safety of the fighters is paramount in the League and we always err on the side of caution.

The_Rook wrote:

....one guy, who seemed to be a complete novice, certainly had no stand up anyway to be seen. The dude he was fighting however, obviously had a good bit of Thai under his belt. As luck would have it, the same guy was teaching in SBG in Harold's cross. So it appears a blue belt in bjj with a lot of THai was fighting someone who never fought before. I'm almost certain this was in the first round so it should have been a novice v novice. I'm making the point because if you only get 2 fights, and 1 of them is against a guy with much much more experience, what do you learn? how to get kicked and kneed? And the other dude, what did he gain? A chance to practice with a mobile punchbag?

If you indicate that you are a Rookie on your entry form then you are entered into the Rookie division means that you get both your matches against other first timers.

The_Rook wrote:

Technically speaking, If JOhn KAavangh put his name down for MMA league, would be classified as a novice because he hasn't fought in the league before and has not fought "pro" rules in the last 6 months?

A rookie is someone who has never fought in the League before and who has never fought more than two pro rules matches (John has fought 12 AFAIK) also...

MMA League_Website wrote:

Exemptions to the Rookie Clause

If a competitor has been training in MMA for 2 years or more he/she is NOT eligible for entering as a rookie, even if he satisfies the normal Rookie criteria.
If a competitor has been training in a single MMA discipline for 3 years or more he\she is similarily excluded from entering as a Rookie. Disciplines that would count towards this rule are Boxing, Thai Boxing, Full Contact Kick Boxing, Wrestling (Freestyle Greco etc), or Jiu Jitsu.

So the answers to those questions are on the site! Every effort is made to keep people of similar levels facing each other.

Rook - you have a lot of good questions in your posts, that I get asked by all competitors new to the league. The important thing to remember is the league is all about making MMA fun and safe for beginners and the spirit of the rules holds to this ideal. Please give me a call on 087-2037926 and I can address any further questions you might have a lot quicker than they would be through this discussion board.

Clive · 29-08-2005 2:01pm

the_rook wrote:

Please pardon my repetivie posting, but i've a question for Clive.

Why did you wear a Gi in the league? Cos you're a badass? Would you recommend it? I would appreacite a Gi on the ground for choke/strangle defense but it would be an advantage to your opponent to take you down. Or grab you by the lapels and punch,knee you. What is your opinion. I might wear a gi, i'm trying to source a black and red kwon one, should look gas. (it will be a proper judo/bjj gi, not a karate one)

Well in the first one I wore a gi because I had a fractured ankle and I didn´t want anyone getting out from under me.

In the third event I wore it because I just wanted to.

If you´re looking to win, then my advice is not to wear one (I got the poop clock choked out of me) for the reasons you mentioned, but if you´re just out for a laugh, then sure why not?

Just about the fight you mentioned, I´m pretty sure it was John O´Brien against Owen Roddy in the second event of the first year. AFAIK that was before the rookie clause was brought in.

MMA League Final Round 2005 "Revelations"

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