Does it make you lowly in others eyes?

Gwyllin

Since I'm going to apply for Early and Modern Irish, which takes 310 points. Although, my grades will be assessed individually because it does not correspond to the Leaving Cert. grading system.

However, will applying for a course with low points make you seem lowly in other students eyes? Is there any kind of 'class-consciousness' when it comes to such things? Are students studying low-point-subjects looked down at?

Pet

Wow..if this is a serious question, then I think it's time Trinity invested in a decent PR campaign. I suggest "We're not snobs! WE PROMISE!" as the slogan.

Jeez, nobody cares about your LC results once you get to college, and the only looking-down-upon that occurs is mutual between the Science faculty and BESS (now renamed..something else), and even that's (semi) friendly..

Creamy Goodness

well they shouldn't be. but you do get the odd "snob" for want of a better word that will look down on people who do low point courses.

remember points do not equal the person/persons ability to do the course
points = the supply and demand for places within the course.

punka

No. Nobody cares. Some people might think you're mad for doing Irish at all, but that's just par for the course. Seriously, after about 2 weeks of college nobody asks anyone how many points they got. Early Irish is probably one of the most difficult subjects Trinity offers, and remember points don't reflect a course's difficulty, just the demand for it.

The majority of people I have met throughout Trinity don't care. Your points mean feck all anyways past getting a course. Most in college are good people, who have fun whether it's through a sport, society, or just through the friends they make. Of course there will those stereotypes in college, there will be others too - but they're greatly in the minority.

That guy Zigbee is pretty much what is wrong with Trinity, and you can see for yourself that so many of those people on here have responded negatively to his crap. So no

xeduCat

There have been a number of scholars (scholarships are given for high results in scholarship exams in a special exam session that you can opt to do in 2nd year (normally)) from "EMI", and they certainly don't go around with their points branded on their forehead. In fact, no students in the class do (it's a very small group with low demand, hence the points), and you'll be fine. Incidentally, are you coming from outside the Leaving Cert system? There have been a few students in recent years from that background who have done the course and are doing very well, and haven't looked back.

Good luck!

Crash

I'm actually really, REALLY pissed off with this question - that someone has to actually ask this really puts down what i see as a good college - Zigbee's post infuriated me and i was kinda disappointed to find it was locked

in answer, once you're in college, you're in college. people may slag you or look at you odd for your course (a lá computer science has been the end of many a chance with a fine girl who was that bit snobbish for me ) but it makes no differ

Gwyllin

That was pretty frank, Myth. Wow, I didn't know Zigbee was so unpopular. But I guess there are all kinds of people at Trinity. And not all of them are so clever as you would expect from a university student either. Or? Could someone confirm that?

I've been a bit worried about being falling into a class. Maybe not excessively worried, but the thought struck me once or twice..

But trust me, Early Irish is not one of the most difficult subjects Trinity has on offer. Far from! You learn Old Irish, Middle Irish and some Ogham, yes, and you learn about the culture, history and society in ealry Ireland, but that's not difficult. If you're lucky you may take a couple of lessons in Modern Welsh too, depending on availability of staff. But I'm soooo looking forward to it! I will kiss the lecturers the first time I see them - for no reason!!!!

I know my eagerness shows so I'll stop. Hope nobody fell asleep.

crash, I never believed Trinity was a 'class college' with snobs. But this forum made me doubt my convictions because I have seen some very intelligent students and some... not so intelligent students. And there seems to be a gap between certain people here. That made me wonder if I will be looked at as stupid because I'm choosing what I'm choosing.

Educat, I don't have the Leaving Cert. I'm from Norway and it's a completely different system. We have more subjects, three years as opposed to your 2 years, and many more final exams in each year.

I see myself as an academic. I've got lots of interests, love reading, and Trinity will probably see me when I'm 50 doingn Arts or a Science course. The same when I'm 60 and so forth. So I love studying, but I'm not a snob, and I like all kinds of people. Even those who haven't studied anything at all. They can be brilliant and pleasureable people too!

DrIndy

There's always a handful of norwegians knocking around in TCD so you can always find someone to hang out with although I would recommend against this as it is easy to remain norwegian and not mix with the Irish (although by your course choice, I doubt this will happen).

Most people are cool - hang out with them, some people are nobs - ignore them or tell them to **** off. You'll fit in very quickly here. Irish people are much more open and friendly compared to the normal scandinavian reserve and so you will gain a huge amount of friends quickly.

Don't worry..........

Crash

Gwyllin: dont worry, you're an arts student, people will just judge you on that

it wont change a bit really, to be honest. pity you cant come to the beers in september and witness how smart we all are in reality :P

Gwyllin

Gwyllin wrote:

That made me wonder if I will be looked at as stupid because I'm choosing what I'm choosing.

No way! In fact, I'm fairly interested to know how you got involved with Irish being from Norway?

DrIndy

Myth wrote:

No way! In fact, I'm fairly interested to know how you got involved with Irish being from Norway?

Hey!

Whataboutlittleme? :eek:

DrIndy

DrIndy wrote:

Hey!

Whataboutlittleme? :eek:

You did medicine, not Irish!

venice_irk

I've been wondering that from the start too. hey gwyalnorsk are you really norveigan? are you parents from norway or ireland or one from each? can you already speak irish fluently? why do you want to study irish? etc.

punka

Gwyllin wrote:

But trust me, Early Irish is not one of the most difficult subjects Trinity has on offer.

It's harder than Greek, anyway. Do you do Old Norse at school? That might make it a bit easier I suppose..

venice_irk

this gets weirder and weirder, is gyn a crazy academic type.?

Gwyllin

Yes, venice irk, I am a crazy academic type. I'm the kind of person you will see walking for herself, discussing with an imaginative friend next to her, rummaging in her pockets, picking up a pair of glasses to look at some odd note she just cut out from a newspaper to go home and write a diary entry for her 6th PhD dissertation. And she is 50 years old. If you're at Trinity in say 30 years, you will see me like that.

Trust me, Old Norse would not help a bit in learning early Irish.

I do hate the Scandinavian reserve. Since I returned from Dublin late in July this year I have missed the Dubliners' talkativeness and friendliness. One my way back home I thought: "I have just seen a piece of Heaven."

Myth and venice irk, you wanted to know about my interest in Irish. It started about two years ago when I saw a commercial on Discovery channel with a Scottish girl speaking Gaelic. I fell for it immediately and everytime that commercial has been shown I have turned up the volume to blow up my own ears. I started checking out the Gaelic language and came across Irish. I sent a letter to the Irish Embassy of Norway for more information and the snowball started rolling! Now I'm teaching myself Irish, I've put of my own weekly schedule for my work and shortly I will order some books to read and another set of DVD's and tapes.

Regarding catching up with Norwegian at the college - I won't. I hate Norway, I'm done with everything Norwegian. Actually, I even have plans to move to Ireland and live the rest of my life there. This makes me sound like a maniac to many, but to myself I am just a very passionate, adventurous and dary woman longing for a good change and a new horizon.

PS punka, I've actually been thinking of learning Greek too. Somebody stop meee!!! :cool:

Gwyllin

By the way.. Does anybody know anyone studying Irish? I should like to talk to someone..

crash, I never believed Trinity was a 'class college' with snobs. But this forum made me doubt my convictions because I have seen some very intelligent students and some... not so intelligent students.

I think you're the one who needs to stop looking down on people. Who are you to say who is intelligent and who isn't? What are you basing this on?

You shouldn't choose a course based on what other people think - feck 'em. Old Irish definitely isn't an easy dosser type course and even if it was, you can study whatever you want. I guarantee that no one will care if it has low points (a lot of people probably wouldn't even know) and the kind of people who would care, aren't really worth talking to.

fade

Romina Orange Junkyard wrote:

I think you're the one who needs to stop looking down on people. Who are you to say who is intelligent and who isn't? What are you basing this on?

Is it not quite obvious what he is basing it on? This isnt the real world where we can make an opinion on how people act (the film legally blonde springs to mind, she comes across as an absolute thick eijit, but she is infact very clever), on this forum people can only make descisions about on what you post. And this forum certaintly does come with a lot bollox in it. No offense meant to anyone, i cant even think of an example, but you can tell alot by what people write because it is the only thing you have to consider, not there behaviour or education.

/me thinks someone took Gwyllins remark too much to heart.

Not taken to heart, just thought it came across a bit rude, judging people as "intelligent" or "not intelligent" especially when she was the one worried about people looking down on her! Maybe just the way it was worded made it sound a bit off.

Obviously I'm not in the least worried that Gwyllin met me and classed me as a thicko, what are you suggesting?

Gwyllin

No I didn't judge anyone, I merely expressed my impression. And fade, I am A GIRL, not a 'he'.

Romina Orange Junkyard wrote:

Obviously I'm not in the least worried that Gwyllin met me and classed me as a thicko, what are you suggesting?

No comment.

ApeXaviour

Myth wrote:

That guy Zigbee is pretty much what is wrong with Trinity, and you can see for yourself that so many of those people on here have responded negatively to his crap. So no

Gwyllin wrote:

That was pretty frank, Myth. Wow, I didn't know Zigbee was so unpopular.

I banned Zigbee for one week for starting that thread. There is a no tolerance stance for "trinner-cockyness" here (not to be confused with pride in your university). We suffer enough from this stigma as it is. And I explained as much in my pm to him.

punka

Gwyllin wrote:

Trust me, Old Norse would not help a bit in learning early Irish.

meh. all i know is cambridge offer a degree in anglo-saxon, norse and celtic. i thought there might be some similarities. but anyway the more old languages you know the easier the others get.

PS punka, I've actually been thinking of learning Greek too. Somebody stop meee!!! :cool:

you totally should. oh and you'd probably like this. if anyone wants to buy me one, i'll totally be forever indebted, etc. stoopid tcd library hasn't got a copy in yet.

DrIndy

I banned Zigbee for one week for starting that thread. There is a no tolerance stance for "trinner-cockyness" here (not to be confused with pride in your university). We suffer enough from this stigma as it is. And I explained as much in my pm to him.

But..... but..... but..... WHY?

We're the best!

Ron DMC

Gwyllin wrote:

By the way.. Does anybody know anyone studying Irish? I should like to talk to someone..

You came to the right place. PM me any questions and i'll do my best to help out.

fade

Gwyllin wrote:

No I didn't judge anyone, I merely expressed my impression. And fade, I am A GIRL, not a 'he'.

forgiveness please, i did not realise.

Agent Smith

Ronny Mitchell wrote:

You came to the right place. PM me any questions and i'll do my best to help out.

ASL?

DrIndy

agent smith wrote:

ASL?

LOL!

Another note is that if you study in ireland, you will need to pay fees (unlike studying in norway) - and non-EU fees are higher than EU fees. The added bonus though is that you should receive the full studiestipend from lånekassen as you will be studying internationally.

Gwyllin

Dr Indy, was that message for me or for agent smith? I know about lånekassen and how much money I can have. But Dr Indy, how much have you had to pay back from the studiestipend?

fade, you're forgiven!

punka, that book looks loooooooooovely! But what a price!!! :eek: I'll buy it to myself first and then I'll order one for you too. I did actually think about going to Cambridge to study for that degree you mentioned there, but Trinity came first! I might go to Cambridge for a one year MA in it and learn a bit of Old Norse and Old English then. They offer an MA in this subject for those who don't have a primary degree in it.