Brady says "thanks a bunch"

Lemlin

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Think he has a valid point. Yet again a player from one of the smaller counties has the book thrown at him while others, from the so-called bigger footballing counties, get away with worse tackles.

Brady's tackle was bad but I think he has a valid point in his argument that no-one else got three months, and some of the other tackles were much worse than his.

CCOVICH

Lemlin wrote:

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Think he has a valid point. Yet again a player from one of the smaller counties has the book thrown at him while others, from the so-called bigger footballing counties, get away with worse tackles.

Brady's tackle was bad but I think he has a valid point in his argument that no-one else got three months, and some of the other tackles were much worse than his.

Don't really think it was a 'tackle' Lemlin.

McMenamin got off because the ref booked him for the incident in question (should have sent him off, but I have already said that Collins should be banned from Championship refereeing for the rest of the season). AFAIK, the CDC can't punish a player further once the referee has taken action? So McKeever got off as well. Fair enough. The GAA need to sort out their rulebook.

But McGrane? No excuse. Similar to the Tomas O'Se incident, a complete cop out.

For what it's worth, I don't think that Brady's action was that 'sinister' and McMenamin's was probably worse.

Lemlin

Its a disgrace though that the GAA should have a rule for one individual and then bend it for another. Brady was basically punished as an example, yet the GAA failed to enforce similar bans on others.

I can see exactly why he feels hard done by. Why should he get 12 weeks, and miss Cavan's best Championship run in years, when others get nothing?

Culchie

because the ref didn't see Brady's tackle and deal with it at the time.

loophole I know, but they will close it for next year.

Cavan were going nowhere anyway this year.

Lemlin

And what of Tomas O'Se's and McGrane's? I don't believe O'Se got a card, I can't remember McGrane's.

Doesn't matter if Cavan were going anywhere or not. If the GAA are willing to dish out a punishment to one player for an action, then they MUST be willing to give exactly the same punishment to other players.

Just because London, Carlow, Cavan or whoever aren't going to do much a particular year, doesn't mean that their players should get heavier bans than those from Tyrone, Armagh, Kerry, Mayo or whoever.

cashback

I still can't believe McGrane had his suspension quashed. Did he get a yellow card at the time? I'd love to hear their explanation.

Lemlin

I don't think he did get a card, I'm not sure though. If he didn't, it doesn't explain why his suspension was quashed. If I'm right, I think he already had a yellow card and that should of been his second.

CCOVICH

McGrane didn't get a yellow card for the incident that he was called up on. He may have got one at another stage during the game.

Lemlin

So how did he escape punishment then? He didn't get a yellow card for that offence so the loophole wouldn't apply to him.

The Rooster

Big Fat Never Worked a Day in My Life Joe Kernan and Mickey Harte threatened to go to court if the suspensions to the 3 players were not over-turned. It would have been a complete mess, so the GAA backed away.

CCOVICH

Lemlin wrote:

So how did he escape punishment then? He didn't get a yellow card for that offence so the loophole wouldn't apply to him.

You're right, the loophole wouldn't have applied to him, but he got off because the GAA's disciplinary procedures are a joke, players, managers, and county boards have no respect for them, and the Rory O'Connell incident set an awful precedent.

Nobody is complaining about this, beacause (IMHO) it seems that if you have the will to get something overturned, or aren't afraid to use solicitors/barristers when appealing the ban, then you will get off, and the media are used to seeing this at this stage (just as they have given up criticising poor refeering (the cause of the McMenamin/McKeever/McGrane/O'Neill/Canavan fiasco in the first place) because it is so rampant). Simple as that.

Lemlin

Well then the GAA need to take a stance and stand up to men like Big Fat Never Worked a Day in My Life Joe Kernan and Mickey Looks Like a Homeless Man Harte.

Its about time that a disclipinary commitee was setup to tackle all this going to court crap. Just look at the whole Mark Vaughan debacle in Dublin between Crokes and Brigids. Its delaying the whole championship.

At the end of it all, the only people making money are the solicitors and other legal staff who are encouraging crap like this to take place so they can line their own pockets.

LegacyUser

CCOVICH wrote:

You're right, the loophole wouldn't have applied to him, but he got off because the GAA's disciplinary procedures are a joke, players, managers, and county boards have no respect for them, and the Rory O'Connell incident set an awful precedent.

Wrong - the loophole applies, because giving a free for the incident, amounts to the "referee dealing with it during the match".

A fiasco I agree; I'm a Dub fan, and I can admit Whelan should have been done, as should McMenamin, and the two Armagh boys, and Francie Bellew for his punch against Laois on Saturday. I've never seen the Tomas Ó Sé incident, and I also believe the Gooch was at fault in the Limerick match? It's a fcuking joke! Remember when John Mullane got red carded for striking last year, and he could have gone down the legal route, but fair play he took his punishment like a man. And Sean Kelly gave him props in his programme notes in the following game, for not feeling the need to bring it to court.

CCOVICH

bruachain wrote:

Wrong - the loophole applies, because giving a free for the incident, amounts to the "referee dealing with it during the match".

Fair enough, but I'm not sure that the referee did in fact give a free for McGrane's punch, he gave it for a separate incident that took place around the same time.

Anyway, I think most of us agree that the disciplinary process is a joke. Good example there about Mullane, I think that there is an onus on players and officials to accept punishment when it is warranted (that may be a subjective assessment, but that's human nature), but equally I have no problem with decisions that are clearly incorrect being challenged (e.g. Stephen O'Neill's sending off for 1 yellow card).

thirdmantackle

At least they changed the rules to allow him play handball

He's the fittest man on the Cavan team by a mile. Sure he's practically a professional athlete as he's over the the US nearly once every two months playing in professional handball tournaments over there