Side Kick Defence

Birdie

Just wondering how most people would defend a machine gun sidekick when sparring someone. What, in your opinion would be the best defence? I thought i'd had a poll to make it interesting They can be a bollox to get around sometimes and are particularly used by kickboxing clubs.

Celticfire

Would you not just ask at training? Then at least you would be shown what to do........

Birdie

I recently quit my club and haven't been able to join a new one. I was looking for opinions because peoples opinions are different. At my old club if my inconsiderate coach bothered to answer me it was sweep but you can't sweep in all competions ie, where there are no mats, and i've gotten warnings about doing a spining side kick in previous competions! so i haven't found an effective one for when I join a new club.

memphis

I would say step outta the way. But what I have found that works for me best in a competition (I'm doing TKD) is to side step and follw up with a punch or kick. If you step side ways fast enough they won't have time to block ya.... Wham.... point goes to birdie!

Ger Healy

Drop an axe kick on the "machine gun sidekick" leg hitting the muscle
Giving your opponent a dead leg which makes it difficult for you opponent to kick with this leg again

john kavanagh

i'm pretty sure this is THE best defence

Cabelo

YAY OTHER! I'll show anyone who wants to see it (on sunday) as it's hard to explain.

It's called a Mea lua di compasso

TwoKingMick

Die Christie Die!!!

Kevin_er_ei

you can't kick the leg in tkd. side point.

Roper

You can kick anything above the waist, including his leg when it's in the air
Get in close, drop an elbow or forearm on it.

mark.leonard

I think the letter of the law in TKD is no kicks to the legs, but I have neven been pulled for the axe kick trick ger mentions.

Circling to the closed side of his body while parrying with the lead hand sets up a lot of my side kick counters. Takes a bit of timing to parry without exposing your rib cage to the kick, but when you get it right, its just magic!

Tim_Murphy

What Ger and Mark. If you can get the timing right you can also use the lead hand parry to work in a sneaky back kick.

But my own personal fav...
If he's kicking with his right you have your left forward. As he sidekicks you basically let the kick come in but you throw a hook kick to his head, you have to drop the top half on your body fight down so your head isn't that far from the ground, it's hard for him to hit you cleanly with his kick when you do that. I know it sounds funky but I've used it a lot of times and it's worked well for me. I even had a fight stopped with it once cos I open a bad cut in your mans mouth. That said, I'm not sure if I've seen anyone else do it.

Clive

Outside a points competition I´d laugh heartily at it.

Inside (assuming no points for striking the back) then I´ve had success with a back turning kick. It has more reach than a side kick (especially if you stick your toes out). Depending on your stance and timing you can either slap the leg out of your way or just spin and let your arm do it anyway.

pma-ire

Birdie wrote:

Just wondering how most people would defend a machine gun sidekick when sparring someone. What, in your opinion would be the best defence? I thought i'd had a poll to make it interesting They can be a bollox to get around sometimes and are particularly used by kickboxing clubs.

If you've got him flying at ya at a short range then moving around the leg to his outside as the lads say is best, then counter with your hands.

But if you can use your own kick on the thigh or calf :cool:

It don't have to be fancy either! I used to use a front kick to the back of the leg when in chamber and lean in slightly. That was also handy for backside sicks It's like using the jamming principle.

Cabelo

Tim_Murphy wrote:

But my own personal fav...
If he's kicking with his right you have your left forward. As he sidekicks you basically let the kick come in but you throw a hook kick to his head, you have to drop the top half on your body fight down so your head isn't that far from the ground, it's hard for him to hit you cleanly with his kick when you do that. I know it sounds funky but I've used it a lot of times and it's worked well for me. I even had a fight stopped with it once cos I open a bad cut in your mans mouth. That said, I'm not sure if I've seen anyone else do it.

that's the compasso I was talking about only we put our hands on the ground. Some of the lads do it without hands but I don't remember what that's called. I wasn't sure how to describe it but you've done it there

Birdie

The Compasso is kinda like a spinning axe kick then, i think haven't been able to do that without falling over yet!! Cabelo is the compasso move you were talking about a Capoeira move? If it is where did you learn it?

Cabelo

Yes it is a capoeira move. I've been doing capoeira for about a year now, if you'll be there on sunday then I'll be showing people that, because it's very nicely balanced to work against side kicks.

The best example of a compasso is an armada (or back reverse turning kick to TKD/karate kids) but bend your upper body down to the floor as your foot leaves the floor. The torque in your body should let the leg release faster than if you just did it from standing, and the spin should land you with the kicking leg behind and already balanced. It takes a little time to get used to it, but it's a handy kick.

Diagram stolen from a site I love,

PiZaRR-0

You can kick anything above the waist, including his leg when it's in the air
Get in close, drop an elbow or forearm on it.

- You cant grab in tkd ITF, or elbow, or anything like that, reff will throw you out of comp. End of story.

memphis - he's got the right idea, go around the kick, side step either direction, simple drill really.

Or just chamber your side kick over his, get your knee up as high as possible.

I presume also ur talkin about tkd, In MMA throwin sidekick is a bad idea, wide open for sweep, the person can grab your leg even if you hit them, also if you chamber high your gonna get kicked in the bollix.

Sidestep the sidekick, then punch them out of the ring or until your seperated. You'll usually catch them blindside also.

Better still master the Hadouken.

Musashi

You could also just boot/sweep the leg they are standing on, or bull rush em and knock em over.You may be pulled up for it but it'll make them wary of trying it again.Taking a warning for excess contact early in a bout can serve to put manners on a very aggressive opponnent early in a bout so you can fight your plan rather than trying to work around his game plan.

pma-ire

I really used to hate the guys that done that machine-gun sidekicking :mad:

Jamming the kick early on is still on of my favs! But just make sure that you jam it hard and into nice soft-sore places :cool:

If you were to keep getting knocks in your lead leg (thigh mainly!) then you won't be pushed about lifting it up to often (Dam! this site needs an "EVIL" smilie :mad: )

Tim_Murphy

that's the compasso

Really? Cool name! What I was talking about is different from the diagram you posted. I was talking about a front leg kick, with no spinning.

PiZaRR-0

You may be pulled up for it but it'll make them wary of trying it again.Taking a warning for excess contact early in a bout can serve to put manners on a very aggressive opponnent early in a bout so you can fight your plan rather than trying to work around his game plan.

So true.

Cabelo

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Really? Cool name! What I was talking about is different from the diagram you posted. I was talking about a front leg kick, with no spinning.

Mea Lua di frente is what you're thinking of. That description fits perfectly (combined with the reverse axe kick bit). The only problem is that you'd have to get out of the way before you do it, or lean back really far. Either way, the compasso gets you out of the way as you kick So I prefer it.

Hank_Scorpio

I've always tried a driving elbow into the base of the foot. That's if they have foot pads on. But if it's not in training then good solid downward elbow onto the leg. Shin pads only cover the front of the legs.

It hurts them like hell and makes them think about doing it again.

Spinning sweeps work. Catching the leg and kicking the balls works. Waiting for them to get tired of kicking and then blitzing works.

Machine gun side kicks aren't the best anyway, I encourage people to use a variety of attacks rather than one repetitive one.

entropi

Well as i've seen in my TKD club most people move out of the way / sidestep the attack , then follow up with either a sidekick or punch toward the side of the chest or lower torso.. effective also

Tim_Murphy

Mea Lua di frente is what you're thinking of. That description fits perfectly (combined with the reverse axe kick bit). The only problem is that you'd have to get out of the way before you do it, or lean back really far. Either way, the compasso gets you out of the way as you kick So I prefer it.

It's still a hook kick in TKD terms, just a modified one. Your name is a way cooler though alright!

Anyway back on point, dropping an axe kick down on top of the leg and then hitting with a few punches works best.

Tim_Murphy

Mea Lua di frente is what you're thinking of. That description fits perfectly (combined with the reverse axe kick bit). The only problem is that you'd have to get out of the way before you do it, or lean back really far. Either way, the compasso gets you out of the way as you kick So I prefer it.

I'd still call it a hook kick in TKD terms, just a modified one. Your name for it is a lot cooler though!

Throwing an axe kick down on top of the leg is still the best way to go!

Clive

Don´t forget:

langered

it all depends on the height of the kick - different technique for different height of side kick. If it was a mid range side kick to the ribs I would step back and off at 45 degrees and do a downward block with your fist to divert the kick. Then shuffle back in and elbow him in the face.

Cabelo

I'm surprised nobody has put this in yet but if you move in closer than the kicking range a person can't extend the kick without falling over. Just push right in on the leg before they extend it