Rules quistion

ZZR1100

Live Mtt.Small buy in
hand is declared dead if using a mobile phone during a hand.announced before tourney start.6 players left. playerA makes a big raise , player b goes all in .A is pot committed when mobile goes off and he answers and calls bet.
tourney director steps in and says hand is dead (WAR).
My quistion is should the director have steped in.Player B didnt call him on the rule and neither did the dealer (not trained) so should the director stay away unless called upon.BTW player A ripped up his prize money ( 50) and tossed it at director

bohsman

Yes its up to the TD to make the decision, the rules were made clear, the player shouldnt have answered his phone

ZZR1100

bohsman wrote:

Yes its up to the TD to make the decision, the rules were made clear, the player shouldnt have answered his phone

In any tourney i have played in the TD makes a ruling only when he is called to the table to make one as he cant watch all tables.In this case he was not called for a ruling.In some tourneys of late (pokerevents) .even the dealer wont call you on a rule (string bet for instance) unless a player asks him for a ruling.

karlh

where was this?

Waylander

ZZR1100 wrote:

In any tourney i have played in the TD makes a ruling only when he is called to the table to make one as he cant watch all tables.In this case he was not called for a ruling.In some tourneys of late (pokerevents) .even the dealer wont call you on a rule (string bet for instance) unless a player asks him for a ruling.

The tournament Director is effectively the referee for the whole tournament. If there is a dispute he is called in, but he can step in at any point and does not need to be invited to be. If this rule was announced before hand, Player A should not have answered his phone.

ZZR1100

where was this?
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connacht cup galway.Paul leckey said to the dealer that he should have called it (string bet) and the dealer replied that they were instructed not to .A player has to call it and then they will make a ruling.Dont aggree with this myself either

bohsman

The string bet rule is different in different places, in the Fitz it is the dealers call but in a lot of places it is up to the players.

I personally think it is the most abused rule in poker with people calling string bets not because the player was trying to get a tell by dropping chips in one by one but because they didnt know any better and the player calling it because they want a cheap card

Blitzkrieger

If player B didn't complain the TD should have stayed out. Of course, player B should then have no come-back if he loses.

Marq

What Oscar and Waylander said.

RMcG

This happened to me about a year and a half ago in a big tournament and Thomas Kremser was the turnament director. We were down to the last six and the prize money was sharply asscending. I was fourth in chips with about 75,000. The small stack had around 50,000 and was under the gun, blinds were somewhere in the region of 4,000 - 8,000. Anyway smallstack was under the gun and raises the pot to about 30,000.....i was last to act and looked down and saw AA. Just I was ready to act Thomas buts in and says sorry but i cant allow that raise........there followed a bit of an argument that ended in the player being only allowed raise the minimum to 16,000. All during this argument im screaming in my mind 'LET THE ****ER RAISE, LET THE ****ER RAISE'...........anyway I didnt really think this move through and I reraised him. He thought for while and correctly deduced that my reraise was a reraise of his original 30k bet and not Thomas's 16K raise, and that I must be very strong...he folded and I showed AA looked straight and Thomas who went a little red and just gave me an apologetic smile.....to which I was screaming in my mind 'YOU ****ING AUSTRIAN TWAZZER'......the initial raiser was pot committed had had his string bet been allowed and i just might have sent him to the rail a little earlier......anywayz moral of the story, I think tournament directors shouldnt but out in instances like that unless a ruling is called for, if people make mistakes to their own disadvantage then they should be made stew in them.........

NickyOD

Blitzkrieger wrote:

If player B didn't complain the TD should have stayed out. Of course, player B should then have no come-back if he loses.

There is no rule in poker that says a ruling can only be made when the TD is called for. What kind of TD only steps in to make a ruling when he's called to the table? Its part of his job to proactively make sure the tournament runs smoothly and make sure rules are followed. He did the right thing. The guy was warned and should have known better.

MadsL

player A ripped up his prize money ( 50) and tossed it at director

That just makes him an idiot twice.

JuliusFranco

NickyOD wrote:

There is no rule in poker that says a ruling can only be made when the TD is called for. What kind of TD only steps in to make a ruling when he's called to the table? Its part of his job to proactively make sure the tournament runs smoothly and make sure rules are followed. He did the right thing. The guy was warned and should have known better.

agreed, some people don't want to make a fuss or are just too shy to call the TD. the best TD in the world (Luke) dosn't need to be called over, if he see's something wrong he'll deal with it


i also agree with Bohsman re the string bet rule
it is abused by other players who want to see cheap flops or streets or whatever. i've seen people winge because somebody picked up all their chips too move all in but one accidently fell over the line before the rest!!

the merrion has the same string bet rule as the fitz and it is the dealers call.

it's can be awkard for the dealer tho to apply it - he/she wants to be fair without being anal (like calling a string bet in the above example)!

Waylander

MadsL wrote:

That just makes him an idiot twice.

Nice tip for the TD though!

MadsL

Now where did I put the sellotape!

ZZR1100

MadsL wrote:

That just makes him an idiot twice.

Dont think ill tell him that bit.:)