Loyalist murder and drug dealing.

catholicireland

Isnt it time the media had a good look at what the evil, murdering bastard loyalist terrorist gunmen are doing? They must be stopped and they must be locked up. I believe that unionist politicians, who could help in this situation, should take the thumb out and stop innocent people being killed by these evil bastards.

Zombrex

catholicireland wrote:

Isnt it time the media had a good look at what the evil, murdering bastard loyalist terrorist gunmen are doing?

I think they are ...

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ned=uk&q=loyalist+murder&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&start=20

murphaph

catholicireland wrote:

Isnt it time the media had a good look at what the evil, murdering bastard loyalist terrorist gunmen are doing? They must be stopped and they must be locked up. I believe that unionist politicians, who could help in this situation, should take the thumb out and stop innocent people being killed by these evil bastards.

The Unionist politicians I've seen interviewed on TV (David Irvine, for one) have condemned fro a height these drug dealing scum. The mainstream parties have all condemned them. They accept that the PSNI are the lawful body charged with upholding law and order and are happy for the PSNI to act as it sees fit. IIRC Irvine said these gangs were 'destroying protestant areas, not protecting them'. That was on UTVLive about 2 wees ago. Pretty unequivocal condemnation I'd say.

segaBOY

murphaph wrote:

The Unionist politicians I've seen interviewed on TV (David Irvine, for one) have condemned fro a height these drug dealing scum. The mainstream parties have all condemned them. They accept that the PSNI are the lawful body charged with upholding law and order and are happy for the PSNI to act as it sees fit. IIRC Irvine said these gangs were 'destroying protestant areas, not protecting them'. That was on UTVLive about 2 wees ago. Pretty unequivocal condemnation I'd say.

Last week the PSNI/RUC allowed masked loyalists walk into an estate and expell a rival group from their estate, the PSNI/RUC just let this happen, stood back and let it happen.

gurramok

murphaph wrote:

The Unionist politicians I've seen interviewed on TV (David Irvine, for one) have condemned fro a height these drug dealing scum. The mainstream parties have all condemned them. They accept that the PSNI are the lawful body charged with upholding law and order and are happy for the PSNI to act as it sees fit. IIRC Irvine said these gangs were 'destroying protestant areas, not protecting them'. That was on UTVLive about 2 wees ago. Pretty unequivocal condemnation I'd say.

Tonight the PSNI were criticised by the DUP for heavy handed tactics when searching houses in a loyalist area where they were investigating another loyalist murder and blamed them for the consequent hijacking of numerous cars and a lorry in north Belfast.
Sounds like they are condoning violence instead of condemning !

tomMK1

i see that as one of the next things that need to change - IRA disarms - Government sort out policing/patton report - something gets done about the one sided media, cus it is one sided and always has been.

daveirl

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tomMK1

daveirl wrote:

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really daveirl, i dont give a toss what you and others may think if it doesnt effect the actual fact that the media has been sometimes selective in its reporting.

like when the IRA annouced they were standing down the media reported the IRA stops 30 year reign of terror.

for a start, it was 36 years, and secondly there are a lot more organiseations other than the IRA involved in and responsible for the troubles of the past 36 years - yet to listen to the media you wouldnt think that.

I have much more interest in SF/IRA crimes because when they are committing crimes their burning money in chimmneys 5 miles from my house.[/

and you have absolute proof thaat that was indeed money made from crime specifically for Sinn Fein (or the IRA)? Proof please?

catholicireland

I think they are ...

Is is enough tho?

Tonight the PSNI were criticised by the DUP for heavy handed tactics when searching houses in a loyalist area where they were investigating another loyalist murder and blamed them for the consequent hijacking of numerous cars and a lorry in north Belfast.
Sounds like they are condoning violence instead of condemning

Sounds worrying

murphaph

Man I would hate to be in the PSNI. Damned if they do, amd damned if they don't. I saw that twat Nelson McCausland being interviewed on UTVLive and he was basically blaming the police for the rioting last night. The two tribes are just a bunch of savages with the PSNI trying to maintain some semblance of law and order.

mycroft

catholicireland wrote:

Is is enough tho?

What would be enough mark durkin roaming the streets like charles bronson?

tomMK1

mycroft wrote:

What would be enough mark durkin roaming the streets like charles bronson?

thatd be funny though ..everyt ime i see a picture of durkan I'll be thinking of charles bronson

murphaph wrote:

Man I would hate to be in the PSNI. Damned if they do, amd damned if they don't. I saw that twat Nelson McCausland being interviewed on UTVLive and he was basically blaming the police for the rioting last night. The two tribes are just a bunch of savages with the PSNI trying to maintain some semblance of law and order.

they should be just damned and be done with it. get a police force that actually looks after the community.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4705081.stm (half the complaints are from the protestant and unionist community)

murphaph

tomMK1 wrote:

they should be just damned and be done with it. get a police force that actually looks after the community.

'Looks after the community'? I thought they were looking after the community when they fired baton rounds at the scum who were petrol bombing brand new £100,000 double decker buses that the community need to get about. Or were they wrong to try to prevent damage to property that the community, especially it't less affluent members needs.

tomMK1 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4705081.stm (half the complaints are from the protestant and unionist community)

Assuming roughly the other half are from the Catholic/Nationalist community then that's a sign of a non-sectarian police force. A good thing surely.

tomMK1

'Looks after the community'? I thought they were looking after the community when they fired baton rounds at the scum who were petrol bombing brand new £100,000 double decker buses that the community need to get about. Or were they wrong to try to prevent damage to property that the community, especially it't less affluent members needs.

off ye go .. you can debate that with yourself.

Assuming roughly the other half are from the Catholic/Nationalist community then that's a sign of a non-sectarian police force. A good thing surely.

and how do you reckon thats non sectarian? just because equal amounts on either side complain?

Besides, the point is the PSNI do not represent the community they police - again, debate the sectarianism-ness of it with yourself.

A Dub in Glasgo

murphaph wrote:

Assuming roughly the other half are from the Catholic/Nationalist community then that's a sign of a non-sectarian police force. A good thing surely.

Ignoring the sectarianism angle for a moment, you think it is a good thing that the police are thugs and bullies??

mycroft

tomMK1 wrote:

thatd be funny though ..everyt ime i see a picture of durkan I'll be thinking of charles bronson




they should be just damned and be done with it. get a police force that actually looks after the community.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4705081.stm (half the complaints are from the protestant and unionist community)

So let me great this straight, the article you post shows that;

Both communities in NI use the ombudsman proportionally to their population a clear sign that the PSNI isn't sectarian (because if it were a disporportional amount would come from one community than the other)

The article also announces that there's been a fall in complaints in the last year.

And this is the article you're using to condemn the PSNI as sectarian and useless? :rolleyes:

Tom you're freaking hilarious.

Incidently over ten arrests and a number of raids were made today, sounds like they're making progress

murphaph

tomMK1 wrote:

off ye go .. you can debate that with yourself.

If you don't want to debate a point, don't quote it.

tomMK1 wrote:

and how do you reckon thats non sectarian? just because equal amounts on either side complain?

Yes.

tomMK1 wrote:

Besides, the point is the PSNI do not represent the community they police

The actual point is that this thread is about Loyalist drug dealing scum yet you've managed to turn it into a thread about the PSNI's ability to police the community that you believe they don't represent, even though you're on record as saying the PSNI only represent the protestant/Loyalist community.

tomMK1 wrote:

again, debate the sectarianism-ness of it with yourself.

And again, don't raise the issue if you don't want to debate it.

murphaph

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Ignoring the sectarianism angle for a moment, you think it is a good thing that the police are thugs and bullies??

I don't think the PSNI are thugs or bullies.

magick

I have much more interest in SF/IRA crimes because when they are committing crimes their burning money in chimmneys 5 miles from my house.

have you ever offered to chimney sweep for them?!

rsynnott

They haven't blown up enough children recently. It's tough getting publicity up there...

gurramok

mycroft wrote:

And this is the article you're using to condemn the PSNI as sectarian and useless? :rolleyes:

Well, not forgetting that they allowed a few hundred uvf men to force a number a families out of their homes while the psni stood idly by and a police training college across the road from the estate, hardly a good omen?

PSNI are inconsistent in their approach, if they get attacked they fight back which is understandable. But they do nothing while civilians are getting attacked in these situations.
The message they are sending out is that they are 'afraid' of the loyalists, they need to crack down harder like they did to alleged republicans in ardoyne to be seen to be evenhanded.

murphaph

gurramok wrote:

...they need to crack down harder like they did to alleged republicans in ardoyne to be seen to be evenhanded.

They did crack down on Loyalists on wednesday and the rioting that ensued was blamed on their crackdown. Like I said-they can't win. Every scumbag non-law abiding person up there hates them.

mycroft

gurramok wrote:

Well, not forgetting that they allowed a few hundred uvf men to force a number a families out of their homes while the psni stood idly by and a police training college across the road from the estate, hardly a good omen?

I've yet to see a reputable source for this story. While I'm not saying it didn't happen, I think the event is being exaggerated in the terms of the PSNI's reaction, for example what did you expect the recruits to do, attack a large group of armed UVF thugs with harsh language, and inexperience?

How many PSNI officers stood by, for how long, and what where the circumstances?

Police were confronted by angry loyalists who threw petrol bombs. Three cars, a bus and a tip-up lorry were hijacked and set on fire during the rioting in the Crumlin Road area. Earlier yesterday morning, three officers were injured during searches of properties in north Belfast as youths threw missiles, including televisions, at them.

The vicious turf war between the Ulster Volunteer Force and the splinter group the Loyalist Volunteer Force, has left three men dead and seen hundreds of loyalist paramilitaries descend vigilante-style on a Belfast housing estate and force families from their homes.

From here

police injuries, confrontation, riots, this doesn't suggest they stood "idly" by.

PSNI are inconsistent in their approach, if they get attacked they fight back which is understandable. But they do nothing while civilians are getting attacked in these situations.
The message they are sending out is that they are 'afraid' of the loyalists, they need to crack down harder like they did to alleged republicans in ardoyne to be seen to be evenhanded.

Yeah and as pointed, theres been over a dozen arrests, 14 raids, what more do you want?

gurramok

mycroft wrote:

I've yet to see a reputable source for this story. While I'm not saying it didn't happen, I think the event is being exaggerated in the terms of the PSNI's reaction, for example what did you expect the recruits to do, attack a large group of armed UVF thugs with harsh language, and inexperience?

Let me refresh your memory from BBC BBC
Armed thugs should be arrested and charged, according to the law of the land. Its the least you would expect when people are confronted by criminals.

mycroft wrote:

How many PSNI officers stood by, for how long, and what where the circumstances?

The PSNI didnt give numbers, but you can see on TV that there was a large police and army presence in the Garnerville estate. (thats assuming you watch the news from NI to keep update with events which is available on BBC and UTV in ROI.)

mycroft wrote:

From here
police injuries, confrontation, riots, this doesn't suggest they stood "idly" by.

you misread my post, they stood idly buy in Garnerville but took action in Crumlin road, they are inconsistent in their approach.

mycroft wrote:

Yeah and as pointed, theres been over a dozen arrests, 14 raids, what more do you want?

See above, carry out there job, not just when they feel like cracking down.

Even moderate nationalists like Alex Attwood who sits on the Policing Board was horrified at the PSNI's toleration of loyalists terrorists evicting families.

mycroft

gurramok wrote:

Let me refresh your memory from BBC BBC
Armed thugs should be arrested and charged, according to the law of the land. Its the least you would expect when people are confronted by criminals.

Yes but while, thats one instance, where the police reaction was inconsistent (on the surface) the BBC article makes it clear there was an indetermine police presence, so we don't know what their reaction should and could have been.

For example

from your article wrote:

He pointed out that families had already moved out of the area, when police arrived on Sunday evening.

As I understand this, the police arrived too late to stop what had happened.

The PSNI didnt give numbers, but you can see on TV that there was a large police and army presence in the Garnerville estate. (thats assuming you watch the news from NI to keep update with events which is available on BBC and UTV in ROI.)

And I'm in London.

you misread my post, they stood idly buy in Garnerville but took action in Crumlin road, they are inconsistent in their approach.

No as I understand it the Crumlin road event was far more serious, and the PSNI got to grip with the situation as quickly as possible.

See above, carry out there job, not just when they feel like cracking down.

Or alternatively caught off footed the first day, and coming up with tactics for the second.

Even moderate nationalists like Alex Attwood who sits on the Policing Board was horrified at the PSNI's toleration of loyalists terrorists evicting families.

While I don't doubt there are questions to be asked, I'm just wondering how this doesn't satisfy you, while the first events a Undefined police presence reacted to an unusual situation poorly, in the second event they acted quickly and firmly, sounds more than a police force reacting to it's mistakes.

MrPudding

gurramok wrote:

Let me refresh your memory from BBC BBC
Armed thugs should be arrested and charged, according to the law of the land. Its the least you would expect when people are confronted by criminals.

The BBC article linked to above. wrote:

However, he stressed that police had been pro-actively trying to deal with the feud.

"People may have got the impression that the police were not in control of that, but the police were in control. We would urge people not to take the law into their own hands."

He pointed out that families had already moved out of the area, when police arrived on Sunday evening.

Officers were monitoring and controlling the area, taking names of those wearing masks, and gathering evidence, he said.

"One of the difficulties for us was that there were no complaints from members of that community about those people being there," he said.

"We looked at what those people were doing in the area to see if we could gather any evidence of offences and if there had been any arrests to be made, we would have made them."

I have highlighted a few points I think are relevent. From the article it seems that some boyos arrived round in the middle of the night and told certain people that it would be best if they left. They left. They did not call the police they just left. It seems that when the police arrived the families had already left. What do you want them to do?


Where were the armed thugs they are supposed to arrest? They may have been there during the night but that was before the police arrived and no one called them to alert them to the fact that there were armed thugs in the area.


You may be trying to give the impression tat an armed gang was roaming the estate all day forcing people from their homes but the article you have linked to yourselve shows that this is not the case.


MrP

Gwyllin

Has any Irish Republican ever tried to look beyond the violence and futility of these men and seen that he himself is as full of flaws and unnecessary hatred as them? Just wondering.

hill16

Here is a true Republican.http://www.irishclans.com/articles/famirish/tonetw.html

hill16

And another.http://www.bobbysandstrust.org/hstrikers/sands.asp

murphaph

FFS. This thread is about Loyalist drug dealing and general thuggery. All the paramilitary organisations are drug dealing criminal scum, but this thread is just about Loyalists and how the PSNI are dealing or attempting to deal with them.

gurramok

MrPudding wrote:

You may be trying to give the impression tat an armed gang was roaming the estate all day forcing people from their homes but the article you have linked to yourselve shows that this is not the case.

If you had watched the the TV pictures from then, it can be clearly seen that there were a few hundred hooded men making sure people would not move back into their homes.
It also showed removal vans during the day coming back and forth and gangs
hanging around in full view of the PSNI making sure not one of the families return.
In relation to Crumlin Road, the message seems to be if the police are attacked they will respond but when civilians are attacked like in Garnerville, they stood idly by. Hope that this is not a bad omen for the future.

Now as loyalist violence is ongoing with another attempted murder this morning and attacks on the police overnight, isn't it about time that watchtowers were erected by the security forces in those areas where the violence and mayhem is coming from?

hill16

Loyalists and the security forces have always been friends.

A Dub in Glasgo

A lot of the time, they were one and the same

murphaph

hill16 wrote:

Loyalists and the security forces have always been friends.

I dare say if you were one of the scumbags hit by a baton round on Thursday night it wouldn't feel too 'friendly'. :rolleyes:

jank

murphaph wrote:

I dare say if you were one of the scumbags hit by a baton round on Thursday night it wouldn't feel too 'friendly'. :rolleyes:

Hence the outrage from the DUP

MrPudding

gurramok wrote:

If you had watched the the TV pictures from then, it can be clearly seen that there were a few hundred hooded men making sure people would not move back into their homes.

Wearing a hood is not illegal, even in NI. Were they actually physically stopping people from entering their houses? What exactly would you have them charged with?

gurramok wrote:

It also showed removal vans during the day coming back and forth and gangs
hanging around in full view of the PSNI making sure not one of the families return.

Last time I checked removal vans, in addition to hanging around, were also nor illegal.

I do not doubt that some loyalists were forced from their homes during the night, that is not in question.

It is obvious PSNI knew what was going on. But, as the chief constable said, in the article you linked to yourself, if no-one makes a complaint there is very little they can do. It would seem that nothing overtly illegal happened during the day. Obviously there was intimidation, the reason for those guys hanging around there was obvious for all who saw the footage but, no one complained and the scumbags didn't do anything which would have allowed the police to arrest them.

MrP

Victor

hill16 wrote:

Loyalists and the security forces have always been friends.

Not quite. "With it" members of the protestant / unionist / loyalist communities joined the security forces, the dregs joined the UVF / UDA. The same didn't happen with nationalism / republicanism. Hence the huge difference in sophistication between loyalism and republicanism and their armed wings.

Orizio

jank wrote:

Hence the outrage from the DUP

The 'DUP's' outrage is no different from SF's outrage when the PSNI dare to stop rock and bottle throwers in Catholic communities during the marching season.The DUP,just like SF,used the polices use of force to take attention away from the thugs that attacked the PSNI and to curry favour among the the protestant communities that vote for the DUP.

The riots were in reponse to the PSNI's seacrching for information and clues over the deaths of three men and the up heaving of LVF reated families in Garnerville street not because of PSNI brutality.Riots that were far worse then anything the Republican community has started in years.If the PSNI doesn't attempt to get a handle on this situation then the UVF willl wipe out the LVF and more.

hill16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2953705.stm

catholicireland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programm...ama/2953705.stm

Yes, British state terrorism, no worse then the IRA

supersheep

MrPudding wrote:

Wearing a hood is not illegal, even in NI. Were they actually physically stopping people from entering their houses? What exactly would you have them charged with?
Last time I checked removal vans, in addition to hanging around, were also nor illegal.

Intimidation is though, right? Or some similar things. And that's what they were doing... Anyways, when was the last time you saw several hundred hooded men standing around casually?

murphaph

supersheep wrote:

Anyways, when was the last time you saw several hundred hooded men standing around casually?

The 4th of June, 7.30 pm, Landsdowne Road, South Terrace. Twasn't several hundred men anyway. Twas more like 2 dozen.

MrPudding

supersheep wrote:

Intimidation is though, right? Or some similar things. And that's what they were doing... Anyways, when was the last time you saw several hundred hooded men standing around casually?

Was it intimidation? Actually is wasn't. You see no one put in a complaint or told the police they were being intimidated.

Now I am quite sure the police knew exactly what was going on but until some calls the cops and says "there are 200 guys with masks standing outside my house preventing me from entering it" it is just 200 guys standing around in masks. And, as I have already pointed out, wearing a mask is not illegal.

And by the way, I used to see a lot of hooded guys standing around. They used to stop people entering or leaving the estate I lived in during the Drumcree protests. And believe me, when you are kicking with the wrong foot it is intimidating, but that is besides the point.

If you want an example of the police standing back and allowing illegal behaviour to continue, there is your example. During the worst of the Drumcree protests some areas in the North were brought to a halt.

I am from Coleraine and it was really grim. Most of the estates were completly blocked from about 1700Hrs. They would not let vehicles in unless the driver was "known" or was wearing a sash. People walking were allowed in or out but known Catholics were verbally abused and harassed, we didn't have to wear armbands or anything the harassing was being carried out by people we grew up with and played with as kids.

There were police watching every blockade but for the most part they let it continue. They kept the main roads and bridges open and protected those that decided to run the blockades but that was it.

For me what happened in Garnerville was not a case of the police just letting illegal activity continue. No one complained so there was legally no intimidation. They questioned the guys in masks, took names and looked for offenses for which people could be arrested. The chief constable himself said that had there been any arrests to be made they would have been made.

I have to say I have no great problems with the police in the North. In the 27 or 28 years I lived there I had no problems with them. That said they have done, or not done, some things which have annoyed me. Allowing the loyalist scum to bring the North to a halt, for example, for me was a great annoyance. At the same time it would have been very hard for them to deal with .

MrP

gurramok

MrPudding wrote:

I am from Coleraine and it was really grim. Most of the estates were completly blocked from about 1700Hrs. They would not let vehicles in unless the driver was "known" or was wearing a sash. People walking were allowed in or out but known Catholics were verbally abused and harassed, we didn't have to wear armbands or anything the harassing was being carried out by people we grew up with and played with as kids.
MrP

Coleraine, if my memory serves me right...that was the place(maybe only place) where british troops had to be redeployed onto the streets after the 2nd IRA ceasefire due to the volume of attacks on the cathoilc community by loyalist thugs?

Anyway, speaking of intimidation....loyalist terrorists are at it again trying to ethnically cleanse a village of any catholic that they are living in fear that the PSNI issue fire blankets!!
village terror
Surely its about time there was a permanent police/army presence in areas where the loyalist terror continues...maybe a watchtower to keep an eye on things?

hill16

All the watch towers in Nationalist areas were not working when Loyalists were shooting people dead because of their religion. :mad:

supersheep

MrPudding wrote:

Was it intimidation? Actually is wasn't. You see no one put in a complaint or told the police they were being intimidated.

Now I am quite sure the police knew exactly what was going on but until some calls the cops and says "there are 200 guys with masks standing outside my house preventing me from entering it" it is just 200 guys standing around in masks. And, as I have already pointed out, wearing a mask is not illegal.

And by the way, I used to see a lot of hooded guys standing around. They used to stop people entering or leaving the estate I lived in during the Drumcree protests. And believe me, when you are kicking with the wrong foot it is intimidating, but that is besides the point.

If you want an example of the police standing back and allowing illegal behaviour to continue, there is your example. During the worst of the Drumcree protests some areas in the North were brought to a halt.

I am from Coleraine and it was really grim. Most of the estates were completly blocked from about 1700Hrs. They would not let vehicles in unless the driver was "known" or was wearing a sash. People walking were allowed in or out but known Catholics were verbally abused and harassed, we didn't have to wear armbands or anything the harassing was being carried out by people we grew up with and played with as kids.

There were police watching every blockade but for the most part they let it continue. They kept the main roads and bridges open and protected those that decided to run the blockades but that was it.

For me what happened in Garnerville was not a case of the police just letting illegal activity continue. No one complained so there was legally no intimidation. They questioned the guys in masks, took names and looked for offenses for which people could be arrested. The chief constable himself said that had there been any arrests to be made they would have been made.

I have to say I have no great problems with the police in the North. In the 27 or 28 years I lived there I had no problems with them. That said they have done, or not done, some things which have annoyed me. Allowing the loyalist scum to bring the North to a halt, for example, for me was a great annoyance. At the same time it would have been very hard for them to deal with .

MrP

Does that mean murder isn't murder until someone calls the cops? I doubt it... I don't think even a lawyer would agree that illegal activity only becomes illegal when someone reports it...
Anyways, although no-one called the cops, they were there. And if a cop sees a murder attempt, he doesn't just stand there and say "Well, no-one told me it was a murder attempt...", he tries to stop it (or should anyways...) Now, if they couldn't take the thugs on because they were outnumbered, fine, but they should have called for back-up.

murphaph

supersheep wrote:

Does that mean murder isn't murder until someone calls the cops? I doubt it... I don't think even a lawyer would agree that illegal activity only becomes illegal when someone reports it...
Anyways, although no-one called the cops, they were there. And if a cop sees a murder attempt, he doesn't just stand there and say "Well, no-one told me it was a murder attempt...", he tries to stop it (or should anyways...) Now, if they couldn't take the thugs on because they were outnumbered, fine, but they should have called for back-up.

It's not so simple. Lots of crimes have to be reported before the police can investigate. I saw an assault on a woman by a bloke in Phibsborough one night. I ran over and the bloke ran off. The woman's eyebrow was cut. I walked her to Mountjoy Garda Station and the Guards took it from there. I returned to the station the following night and made my statement. The Guard who took it knew the woman and told me she'd been assaulted before by who turned out to be the darling hubby and dropped the charges. This time she didn't even make a statement. The Guards are powerless unless an accusation is made. I believe England & Wales allows the police to charge someone of assault etc. without the victim's consent but I don't think it applies in NI.

If assaults (murder is a stupid example by the way-obviously if someone is murdered they can't make a complaint :rolleyes: ) take place then they must be reported to the police for anything to happen. If assaults need reporting then you can bet your ar$e that 'intimidation' does too. Even with a report, intimidation is damn hard to prove!

MrPudding

gurramok wrote:

Coleraine, if my memory serves me right...that was the place(maybe only place) where british troops had to be redeployed onto the streets after the 2nd IRA ceasefire due to the volume of attacks on the cathoilc community by loyalist thugs?

Close but not quite. Troops were redeployed but it was the old UVF vs LVF feud we have all come to love tha twas the reason. Each side was getting kids to throw blastbombs through each others windows.

We, as Catholics, were threatened but nothing ever happened. The police and army were patrolling in the estate. They had heard of the threats, not just to us but any Catholics in the estate, and kept an eye on us. I have to say it was quite comforting to know the police and the army were keeping an eye.

MrP

supersheep

murphaph wrote:

It's not so simple. Lots of crimes have to be reported before the police can investigate. I saw an assault on a woman by a bloke in Phibsborough one night. I ran over and the bloke ran off. The woman's eyebrow was cut. I walked her to Mountjoy Garda Station and the Guards took it from there. I returned to the station the following night and made my statement. The Guard who took it knew the woman and told me she'd been assaulted before by who turned out to be the darling hubby and dropped the charges. This time she didn't even make a statement. The Guards are powerless unless an accusation is made. I believe England & Wales allows the police to charge someone of assault etc. without the victim's consent but I don't think it applies in NI.

If assaults (murder is a stupid example by the way-obviously if someone is murdered they can't make a complaint :rolleyes: ) take place then they must be reported to the police for anything to happen. If assaults need reporting then you can bet your ar$e that 'intimidation' does too. Even with a report, intimidation is damn hard to prove!

Fair point. But if the cop is standing there, that means they should go over and stop the assault, right? They mightn't be able to prosecute, but they can scare the guy away at least.
Oh, and I picked murder for that very reason...

TetsuoHashimoto

McDowell unionist, pro loyalist or Wasp ?

Passes archaic rules to slow up the Irish police force, the Guardi
seems to repeat a lot of the textbook stuff reverend ian says
was a big pro-Bush, bomb iraq fan
puts pressure on our judges,
he had to be dumped out in the past
makes various allegations, and attempts to get property on the side
has been after the prison officers, and has no respect for their work
spent his vaction in the African apartheid
hi8mself and harney look like tweedle dum & tweedle dumber
never criticizes loyalist guns
constantly trying to shovel old pre-famine legislation
looks like an aborted fetus


just wondering when he's going to join the BNP, DUP or UKIP ?

Ajnag

Sauce for the goose?

Ive followed the anti sf/ira threads in a half assed way now for a while, But Im just wondering now that the Ira is supposedly out of the way will we see the same venom against loyalist paramilitary groups who co-incidentaly arent even part of the peace process any more:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1935762005

Or was all that chest thumping over sf/Ira illegal activity simply a circle jerk?
Its not ok for criminality on our side of the fense but its ok up north so long as it dosnt affect us?
And to think we'd lecture the yanks on their business!?!.