Gumshields anyone?

breadmonkey

When training BJJ, I always wear a gumshield but I've noticed that a lot of people don't. I asked Colm about this before but I can't remember what he said, so what I'm looking for is a definitive answer:

Do gumshields actually protect your teeth or are they just shock absorbers, designed to prevent concussion type injuries?

Also, to anyone else who does BJJ, do you wear a gumshield during training?

columok

Gumshields: A) reduce the risk of having one tooth left called gummy joe

reduce the risk of concussion

dlofnep

I would only wear a gumshield in striking.. I've never done so in BJJ.. tbh, I have a habit of not wearing my groin guard in BJJ and am forever making facial expressions of the painful kind.

mark.leonard

I always wear a gumshield in all three ranges, for the reasons Clive stated above. Also, it helps reduce the amount of bust lips you get as well!

dudara

In our tKD clubs, you're just not allowed on the floor to spar without a gumshield. Even if you have all your other gear, you're not allowed. We don't spar full contact, so I think that the biggest thing it does is prevent busted lips.

I got mine made by my dentist and it fits like a glove. So tight in fact, that I actually have to crowbar it out. However, it means that I'm not half choked by saliva buildup like you get in the mouldable gumshields, and I can also talk coherently while it's in.

However, when I requested it from my dentist, he was surprised, He said that he had a lot of clients who played various sports such as MAs, hurling and so on, and he found that very few of them wear gumshields.

TwoKingMick

I usually dont bother with one for just bjj, bad things dont tend to happen, but if you're going to be wearing one a lot get a good one. The 3 quid ones from lifestyle sports are as crappy as the price suggests.

Clive

I don´t wear a gumshield for BJJ unless someone is going to kneel on my mouth or jump on my head, and since I don´t generally train with assholes, I rarely need it.

Kevin_rc_ie

nope don't wear a GS. afaik, their major use is when you do get a kick in the face that you don't swallow and choke on your teeth/blood. they will stay in the GS, when you take out the GS, you can do more damage though.
I've a big fan of the 3euro gum shields, there's a shop off o'connell street that sells them. i don't have the "slush slush slush" problem with them either. dental molded gummies are for girls.

breadmonkey

Ok, bad things don't tend to happen, but it's happened to me twice in the space of six months where someone's head has smashed into my mouth, bursting my lip. I suppose I'll never know what would have happened had I not been wearing a gumshield.

dudara

I really can't believe that so few of you wear gumshields. i bet you all wear cups, so why not a gumshield as well.

Or are you all aiming for the Gummy Joe look?

Clive

BJJ is a very low impact martial art, so the chances of somebody busting your chops is quite low. Soccer has a much higher chance IMO and nobody wears them there either.

I frequently don´t wear a cup for BJJ either.

dlofnep

That's because you have no balls Clive.

Cheap joke

Clive

Yer ma would say otherwise!

BlackBeltDave

If you wear gumsheilds and you get used to them and then find yourself in a street fight and youre used to the gumshield youll be in trouble.

This is the problem with not training for REAL street defence.

columok

Someones taken a hit off the crazy pipe...

dlofnep

BlackBeltDave wrote:

If you wear gumsheilds and you get used to them and then find yourself in a street fight and youre used to the gumshield youll be in trouble.

This is the problem with not training for REAL street defence.

I'd rather have teeth, but thanks for the reality check.

BlackBeltDave

Yeah well jon you end up fighting on the steret and you'll be in trouble when you think youer wearing a gumsheild but you arent.

anyway when you wear a gumsheild in training you take away 50% of your weapons which are biting and people will think im crazy spitting in your opponents eyes.

and colmOK I never do drugs. drugs are the opposite of the REAL martial artists

dlofnep

BlackBeltDave wrote:

Yeah well jon you end up fighting on the steret and you'll be in trouble when you think youer wearing a gumsheild but you arent.

anyway when you wear a gumsheild in training you take away 50% of your weapons which are biting and people will think im crazy spitting in your opponents eyes.

and colmOK I never do drugs. drugs are the opposite of the REAL martial artists

I'd never think I was wearing a gumshield if I was in a street fight. Your points don't have much logic. You can train in a resisting enviroment but you still have to keep some level of security, that is why it's called training.

And to be honest, if I'm fighting someone, the first thing I'm going to do is to each get in a clinch with them or take them down and not spit in their eyes or jump on them and start biting them.

As far as biting goes, I hear alot of people use this as a point but people rarely bite in street fights and you're not always able to bite a person. infact, I'd rarely give anyone the chance to bite me.

dudara

BlackBeltDave wrote:

Yeah well jon you end up fighting on the steret and you'll be in trouble when you think youer wearing a gumsheild but you arent.

anyway when you wear a gumsheild in training you take away 50% of your weapons which are biting and people will think im crazy spitting in your opponents eyes.

and colmOK I never do drugs. drugs are the opposite of the REAL martial artists

Are you trolling, cause that's just about the funniest thing I've read in quite a while

Kevin_rc_ie

hey actually,

i used to play rugby for about 8 years and always wore a gumshield. on occasions i forgot a gumshield or, we were just playing asbout on a field, i found it really unnerving not to have the sensation of having gs in your mouth. it was a distraction.

grosser

BlackBeltDave wrote:

If you wear gumsheilds and you get used to them and then find yourself in a street fight and youre used to the gumshield youll be in trouble.

This is the problem with not training for REAL street defence.

thats like saying if you get used to training in your bare feet,and someone attacks you on the street,that you'll need to take off your shoes to fight them!

gumshields are for insurance reasons when it comes to contact sports!

columok

though in fairness as kevin says you really notice when you dont have one. I remember forgetting mine for rugby training and I'd feel like my teeth were gonna get smashed in.

grosser

columok wrote:

though in fairness as kevin says you really notice when you dont have one. I remember forgetting mine for rugby training and I'd feel like my teeth were gonna get smashed in.

thats true!but when you train to defend yourself,you dont do it in sparring!so you shouldnt be wearing one when you train in self defense!so it shouldnt make any difference!

columok

No need to convince me. I've been wearing a Shockdoctor TM since day one.
Dont leave home without it.

grosser

did you go to that site

columok

yeah but I dont think he's a FMA person. More of a Kempo head. Though for some FMA related hilarity see: http://www.cimande.com/index.php

grosser

columok wrote:

yeah but I dont think he's a FMA person. More of a Kempo head. Though for some FMA related hilarity see: http://www.cimande.com/index.php

im refering to the identity of dub1dude!

columok

I know you were. I dont think he's an FMA person though. Far too ball crushing kempo for that.

He might be Pendekhar William Sanders though...
http://www.cimande.com/about/bio.htm

Best bio ever...

grosser

columok wrote:

I know you were. I dont think he's an FMA person though. Far too ball crushing kempo for that.

He might be Pendekhar William Sanders though...
http://www.cimande.com/about/bio.htm

Best bio ever...

no i doubt it!he doesnt live in ireland!

Dyr

Sweet mother of jaysus lads, that aint FMA. get it right :mad:
FMA= filipino martial arts
Cimande=small village on the island of java... indonesia..ie not the phillipines and not FMA

columok

aren't they generally lumped in together?

Dyr

Not in my book it aint, if it aint fillipino in origin than it aint FMA:

and ive never seen FMA claim to shoot bolts of lightning or whatever

columok

How about having unusual fixations with wrestling bears. and killing them with old school weapons. Crazy.

Dyr

old school weapons=guilty as hell, but only wood, steel etc, no davy crockett moments :eek:

incidentally gene lebell used to wrestle bears...

columok

Did he used to hunt them down with flintlock pistols if they beat him?

Dyr

that situation never arose

columok

Moral: If you're gonna wrestle a bear do judu/wrestling.

Kevin_rc_ie

or SAMBO. my russian judo coached wrestled a bear in the circus. they grapped the bears paws up and put a mussle on him. still a big enough black bear though.

Dyr

gene fought wrassling bears, that had their claws clipped but they knew a few moves like. i think they later shaved one and called it dan severn

I read recently aobut some karate guy who karate kicked a bear that attacked him and it ran off. He got clawed though, so the bear is claiming the win

columok

Bear by judges decision (unanimous) Rd. 2

tonyrogdor

Is a gumshield like toothprotector?

A man I knew in Marijampole Lithuania was a sambo man. He was the strongest fighter my eyes have seen. Persons told me that that man fighted a big bear once.

Kevin_rc_ie

I am that man.

tonyrogdor

you joke with me. I was not making telling lies. The man was in the army USSR and was strong.

Kevin_rc_ie

I am Zangief i am very strong. strong as big bear.

tonyrogdor

Who is the Zangief?

Is he famous fightingman?

Kevin_rc_ie

Me. I fought for mother russia in 4 mma cold wars.

tonyrogdor

Are you from Russia Kevinrcie?

In my country there is problem. and that problem is with russia. Though it has been many years since the day in year 1918 that my country became on its own many of people in Lithuania have russian problem.

Kevin_rc_ie

labas tony.

tonyrogdor

Kitas pasirinkimas Kevinrcie

Kevin_rc_ie

what does that mean my lithuanian friend?

tonyrogdor

i have sent you private message