ISDN to get preference to ADSL upgrades?

po0k

I've heard conflicting reports on this issue. Mainly from English magazines in reference to BT isdn customers ahving to pay BT to uninstall the ISDN lines the install a regualr line then install the ADSl splitter.

Whereas elsewhere, mainly on these very boards, I've heard that ISDN users will in fact ahve preference[.i] for ADSL upgrades!

Skeptic1

No. At the moment you will have to downgrade to PSDN in order to be tested for ADSL. This will cost £99. Then if you fail the test, you will be charged a further £99 to upgrade back to ISDN.

[This message has been edited by Skeptic1 (edited 04-07-2001).]

rymus

downgrade then upgrade.. thats a kick in the ass if ure line doesnt pass the test!

Kix

True enough. ISDN and ADSL can't work together on the same line.

-ADREN-

so when theses "Tests" ??

gona be happening?

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by -ADREN-:
so when theses "Tests" ??
gona be happening?</font>

When the product becomes available in your local exchange. This is the situation currently for these trials occurring in Dublin. I hope it changes when the commercial product comes out.

What was suggested to me was that instead of downgrading to PSTN (at a cost of £99) you instead get a new line in (again at a cost of £99). If you then fail the test, you can drop the new line at no charge rather than re-upgrade to ISDN (another £99).

The problem I have with this is that you may well be put on a DACS box when you get the new line and will fail the test anyway.

This might be the reason for Eircom's intensive advertising of hi-speed recently.

Gladiator

Skeptic1 at that price you could install a secound line and then remove it a save youself £100

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
Skeptic1 at that price you could install a secound line and then remove it a save youself £100 </font>

That was why I said: "What was suggested to me was that instead of downgrading to PSTN (at a cost of £99) you instead get a new line in (again at a cost of £99). If you then fail the test, you can drop the new line at no charge rather than re-upgrade to ISDN (another £99)."

po0k

I have a DACS box I know.
I'm thinking of threatening Eircom to switch to Chorus if they won't get rid of it.

Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:

Originally posted by Gladiator:
Skeptic1 at that price you could install a secound line and then remove it a save youself £100 </font>

That was why I said: "What was suggested to me was that instead of downgrading to PSTN (at a cost of £99) you instead get a new line in (again at a cost of £99). If you then fail the test, you can drop the new line at no charge rather than re-upgrade to ISDN (another £99)."

i missed that, sorry

MindPhuck

Excuse my ignorance,

A DACS box is ?

Fidelis

It's when you pay eircom to install a second phone line into your house and all they do is simply cut your existing phone line in half and charge you two monthly rental bills for the same line on which you were only paying a single monthly rent

I know, I have it too, it's extremely bad, connects at under 20kbps and disconnects frequently. I'm thinking about writing in to complain and maybe get some adsl offer

po0k

What i have is slightly different.......
The line is split between my house nad my neighbours. I get a max of 31200bps (3.7KBps). I live less then a mile from the exchange too, so the connection would be very good were I ona proper whole line. I rang eircom on Thursday and after being fobbed around from repairs to sales and then told I neede to go to repairs after explaining the situation to two people I put my foot down and threatened to go to chorus as the service from Eircon was "abysmal". I wasz then given the mobile number of the Eircom engineer for my area and even put thruogh to him (though if I get charged for taht I'll be mightily p1ssed off). I was calm and composed when talkiing to him and as usual you have to go direct to the man who'll be doing the job to get infoa nd help. he explained that they are very short on cable in my county though how true this is I don't know - could be a generic excuse) and he's coming out in a days time to have a look. "(max of) 9600bps guarenteed" my fúcking ****

JamworkS

Quote from Kix: True enough. ISDN and ADSL can't work together on the same line.


That's not really true. In certain countries it is possible to get an ADSL through an ISDN line, and I know this perfectly because I have ADSL back home through ISDN.

Just mention, that it is really tough to install+upgrade the exchanges for it and not really well worth it to have, cuz you pay more.

JamworkS

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JamworkS:
That's not really true. In certain countries it is possible to get an ADSL through an ISDN line, and I know this perfectly because I have ADSL back home through ISDN.
</font>

Just to back up his comment, ADSL over ISDN is quite straightforward as long as the DSLAM is G.dmt compliant (any of them manufactured in the last year or so are). It requires a bit of testing though, in order to minimise crosstalk between copper pairs, and hence doesn't usually figure in initial DSL rollouts


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