Who has the biggest....

The Cigarette Smoking Man

Just to get things going...

What type of Internet connection is everyone here using and who's is biggest? (either home/work)

po0k

well i'm on an l337 28.8 connection.
I manage 31200bps with *some8 compression. I eed to know how to view these compression details, the STAC stuff.
Also, how do u get an Eircom linesplitter off your line and get them to do it?
It divides the 64kbps available on my phone line between two houses ie: my neighbours and mine, giveing both houses a max of 32kbps. I get 31.2kbps and am still paying normal rental charges, as though iwas getting a full 64kbps line! We are talking about basiclly renting bandwidth here, no matter what the thick-as-dried-sh|t-on-a-stick Eirocm salespe0ns say....
'Can you make phone calls?'
'Yes - but thats not the-'
'Then what is the problem?'
'I'm paying too much for too slow and poor a service'
'Well i'm sorry sir but we're compying with our service policies...'
'Oh for teh love of all tahts holy....'
[Hangs Up]

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Zee Dude

One option Syxpak would be to go for ISDN, even if you only keep it for a month, then they would have to give you the 64k.

Home Connection: 512/128 Cable Modem
Work: STM1 optical connection, 155Mbit/s

(We are capped at 100K download speeds tho, but I have seen 800K download rates.)

The Cigarette Smoking Man

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zee Dude:
Work: STM1 optical connection, 155Mbit/s
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I knew someone would whip out a big one

The Cigarette Smoking Man

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [FCA]SyxPak:
Also, how do u get an Eircom linesplitter off your line and get them to do it
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That's known as DACS and there's f**k all you can do about it unless you know your local engineer. It happened to me a while ago and the only thing I could do was upgrade to ISDN. Eircom will only support data rates up to 9,600 baud on an analogue line.

Moriarty

Possibly dacs'ing should be an issue for irelandoffline to take up? Just an idea, but i think it effects a lot of people that arent living in housing estates around major citys.

It takes the **** that eircom still dont have to guarentee a certain line quality for data aswell as voice - maybe something to raise with the odtr when you meet her soon?

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Bard

I have some degree of an understanding of what DACS is but is it possible that someone could post up a full explanation of it or a link to a page with a fuller explanation of it either here or on IrelandOffline's forum ( www.boards.ie/irelandoffline ) so they can chase it up as an issue?

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Bard

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Does exactly what it says on the tin.

Lenny

Well I'm on a l33t 56k
connected at 55,786 bps right now

chernobyl

On a constant 4mbit/Sec here with maximums of 18mbit/Sec(only seen it once).

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Cake Fiend

ISDN at home, 512k leased line in work.

mayhem#

ISDN @ Home
VDSL in the office....

The Cigarette Smoking Man

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
On a constant 4mbit/Sec here with maximums of 18mbit/Sec(only seen it once).
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Is that an ATM link with some sort of burst capability?

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irishguy

i have 512k at home which the fastest constant i saw going was 515k [strange huh?] and multiple dual isdn lines at work [not sure how many and why they dont get a leased line]

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Cigarette Smoking Man:
Is that an ATM link with some sort of burst capability?

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Nope, its Unidirectional Satellite.

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Ronin

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ISDN @ home

Um more bandwidth then u could ever use

There aren't many in the country with as much in work.

Ro

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Hecate

still bog standard 56k at home.

But works another story, probably about as much as ronin there

Ronin

Since we give you your bandwidth eh no :P..

But yeah you do have more then most heh ..

Ro

ecksor

Home - None (waiting for ISDN).
Work - Several connections, depends on where I'm downloading from. Average 100M.

chernobyl

With the right setup i could get 180Mbit/sec but that would mean 4 modems in the one machine, and that aint happening.
oh yes, and this is at home.

po0k

I also heard on teh tech boards a few months back that I will NEVER BE ABLE TO GET ADSL ON MY LINE BECAUSE IT'S A DACS LINE!

That really is just taking the p1ss entirely.
I'm paying for full bandwidth and they're purposley resrticting me too half of it and will not remove it! i think i'll get onto teh ombudsman. i feel i have a case, 9600bps max gaurentee or not, that's just bull.
he might put the sh|t up them if I get a few more people to pitch in. the ODTR is useless, not enough power given to them.

chernobyl

Get full ISDN, i was told ppl with ISDN with get priority when its upgrade time @ your exchange as its easier to convert than standard lines.

Shinji

2mbit cable system, with 1mbit upstream, shared with one other person (my housemate).

At work, something bloody stupid (12mb to Telehouse afaik) but shared with a silly big publishing house. Nice in the evenings mind.

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
2mbit cable system, with 1mbit upstream, shared with one other person (my housemate).
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Very interesting.
Who supplied the cable for you, and @ what cost.

Hecate

he lives in england. Hence the 2mbit cable line

smoke.me.a.kipper

we got some optic fibre-ey thing-a-majig in college and get downloads of 200k. max i ever saw was 375k download. nice

isdn @ home

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rymus

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
On a constant 4mbit/Sec here with maximums of 18mbit/Sec(only seen it once).

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Quick Q about installing sat connection. I've heard its good if the dude thats installing the dish uses a spectral analyser. Is this absolutely nessecary cos I could be looking for some time for one around here.

fanks

chernobyl

no way man.
it will cost you double or even triple to get an installer with a spectrum analyser.
if you dont want to align the dish yourself (no that hard, i swear), then an LNB meter should do the trick.
Starspeeder advise a spectrum analyser but as they are too lazy to change their site (not), but the best tool to align your dish is your satellite card.

rymus

Cool, thanks for the info. One thing I forgot in that last post was to ask what dish size is best. Would a bog standard sky minidish do the trick or is it best to get something bigger (60cm). Also something about lnb's which I cant quite phrase properly now so I'll leave it.

fanks again

chernobyl

Dunno about the mini dish (dont have one) but i know it has been done for starspeeder.
A board MOD (Bearlover) uses his mini dish but hes in scotland.
A 60CM dish should cost no more than 30 squid ( go for solid dish though ).
If you go for starspeeder the LNb should be digital (another 30-50 squid).

WhiteWashMan

whooping 56k at home
not sure what sort of leased line in work.
have got 800k+ speeds on a quiet evening downloading, so its fat enough for, er, downloading

chernobyl

Heres a peak i recently hit, completely killed my system.
(ps) that is bytes per sec, its even good if it was bits but its better.



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Zee Dude

Thats a sweet connection.

what sort of network interface you got chernobyl?

chernobyl

It was only a peak that lasted about 10 seconds.
if you wanna know about what i got, and how exactly i get "it" then email me.
wont dicuss it here.

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po0k

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
Get full ISDN, i was told ppl with ISDN with get priority when its upgrade time @ your exchange as its easier to convert than standard lines.</font>

Am, I'm not too sure about this, and i have a fair idea you lads/lassies/misc. would have a better knowlage then me but:
ADSL is a POTS sysem right?
But ISDN is a digital thing, which is not 'plain old telephone network', AFAIk. I haven't gotten ISDN ymyself yet so I don't know if they install a new line or not.
But I read a while back in PCGamer that BT were going to charge ISDn users extra for getting ADSl because they had to uninstall the digital ISDN line first, then install the ADSl thing.
Now, like I said, i'm really not sure, but sould you clarify this please?
Also, what physical form (adapters, routers, "modems") will/would ADSl use inside you actual house? i ask this for connection sharing purposes...

The Cigarette Smoking Man

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [FCA]SyxPak:

Am, I'm not too sure about this, and i have a fair idea you lads/lassies/misc. would have a better knowlage then me but:
ADSL is a POTS sysem right?
But ISDN is a digital thing, which is not 'plain old telephone network', AFAIk. I haven't gotten ISDN ymyself yet so I don't know if they install a new line or not.
But I read a while back in PCGamer that BT were going to charge ISDn users extra for getting ADSl because they had to uninstall the digital ISDN line first, then install the ADSl thing.
Now, like I said, i'm really not sure, but sould you clarify this please?
Also, what physical form (adapters, routers, "modems") will/would ADSl use inside you actual house? i ask this for connection sharing purposes...</font>

ADSL/ISDN/POTS all run over the same type of wire, the difference is what is done at the ends of the cable. Eircom may charge to have an ISDN line removed and replaced with a POTS line, but then ISDN users are more likely to be able to get DSL because their line won't have DACS on it.

There are two types of DSL modems, USB and Ethernet. The USB one works like a modem and you can share it using Internet Connection Sharing in Windows. The Ethernet version needs a network card in your PC and you can share the connection using NAT.

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SantaHoe

Take a gander at my pathetic setup
(1)56K modem shared between two PC's connected by serial cable (DCC), anyone beat that for poopyness?

webman

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dead{o}Santa:
Take a gander at my pathetic setup
(1)56K modem shared between two PC's connected by serial cable (DCC), anyone beat that for poopyness?</font>

Fair play to you Santa, not many people would have the balls to admit that.

po0k

Smoking Man, thanks, but what i meant was tha thing in the wall, is it a RJ-45 socket or what, is that the actual ADSL "modem"/"terminal"?

chernobyl

just an update.
i told some of you guys that i will be putting up a webpage about Europeonline.
Thats still ago, but it will be the end of the weekend before its in place as there is an amazing amount of tools and stuff i need to put in there.
url is = http://www22.brinkster.com/chernobyl/
only a temporary "ugly" there now.

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Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [FCA]SyxPak:
Smoking Man, thanks, but what i meant was tha thing in the wall, is it a RJ-45 socket or what, is that the actual ADSL "modem"/"terminal"?</font>

On the wall there will probably be a splitter. This will separate the high frequency ADSL signal from the voice signal. On this splitter box there will be a standard phone connection. There will be another port (I'm not sure what type) into which the ADSL "modem" is plugged. The ADSL modem will be a separate unit not attached to the wall. The ADSL modem will either have a USB port or a network port. If the latter is the case, then you will need a standard network card specifically for the ADSL connection. I think Eircom will probably opt for the USB type.

po0k

But of course THEY will opt for USB, they wouldn't want the poor paying customer actually using the bandwidth available how they liked, now would they?

Skeptic1

I think this would be for ease of installation - no opening up of the PC for the installations engineer. Most home users would not already have one installed or know how to install one.

If they do opt for USB, you may still be able to buy the eqivalent ethernet modem.

I should say that I have no idea what equipment Eircom will actually use. USB is just a guess based on BT's offering in the UK and ESAT's testing earlier this year.

The Cigarette Smoking Man

Esat now offer ATM up to STM-4

http://www.esat.com/products/atmsvc.asp