New one on me...

corblimey

On tonight's WPT show on Challenge, there was 2 players in a hand. One was all-in. One showed 98o, the other Q9o. Board came 2JJK. The guy commentating said something along the lines of: "if a 2 or a 9 comes up, there will be a split pot. Both will have 2 pair with a K kicker".

That sounds like total BS to me. The kicker can come from the board? Surely if a 2 or 9 came up, the guy with the Q kicker would win? I asked a question here a little while ago about a split pot in a tourney I was playing in that I couldn't understand. Perhaps this is the reason, perhaps there was 2 pair and the kicker on the board.

Does this apply to anything else? What about one pair with a kicker on the board?

It just seemed like a strange thing to say if it wasn't true, but I've never come across the situation before.

NickyOD

he is right. They would both be playing the board.

jtsuited

i'm going to explain this the best i can without sounding patronizing.

A holdem hand consists of any five cards from seven cards: 5 on the board and 2 in your hand.

This hand can consist of just one, both, or neither of your hole cards.

This should explain things for you.

BigDragon

In NL Texas Hold'em you play the best 5 card hand out of the seven availible to you.

If the best hand between 2 players is the board then it is a split pot.

Hectorjelly

You have to fold the flop but the mistake was not reraising preflop

DeVore

But is the TV Channel +ev?

DeV.

corblimey

jtsuited wrote:

i'm going to explain this the best i can without sounding patronizing.

Ah, you failed

I never even considered the kicker to be a part of the hand, as such, and so included in the "any five cards" configuration. I've always thoughts of the kicker as the tie-breaker, and therefore you have to "own" it.

Of course, it makes complete sense that the kicker is a part of the hand and therefore can come from the hole or from the board. Hmmm, wonder how many home game hands have been screwed up because of this. Probably none, it's got to be quite a rare occurence.

Just to answer my own question then:

corblimey wrote:

Does this apply to anything else? What about one pair with a kicker on the board?

I guess it would be pair with 3 kickers and if the 3 best cards are on the board, both players would pick them. Woah, pretty deep

califano

Excuse my greeness but from time to time i hear a player jokingly call another a 'gay waiter'. I presume this is a poker term that relates to a persons style of play?. Can someone define the term for me just so i know .

careca

rounders123 wrote:

Excuse my greeness but from time to time i hear a player jokingly call another a 'gay waiter'. I presume this is a poker term that relates to a persons style of play?. Can someone define the term for me just so i know .

Q3 is referred to as the Gay Waiter , Queen with a trey !! Never heard of a player being called one though. DeV has a liking for the hand !!

califano

careca wrote:

Q3 is referred to as the Gay Waiter , Queen with a trey !! Never heard of a player being called one though. DeV has a liking for the hand !!

Awe right!, i just wrongly assumed it was a style of playing a hand or something.
UL in that ppp package tournie i spotted you in last night, you had a nice stack for a while there.

roryc

gay waiter = Q 3
cowboys = K K
jacks = hooks
aces = bullets, boots
2 7o = monster!
A K = big slick
2 2 = mighty ducks
queens = ladies, pair of sluts

any more?

califano

roryc wrote:

gay waiter = Q 3
cowboys = K K
jacks = hooks
aces = bullets, boots
2 7o = monster!
A K = big slick
2 2 = mighty ducks
queens = ladies, pair of sluts

any more?

88= snowmen
I heard a hand described as 'camel ball lickers' but i for get the hand. No doubt your question will invite loads of filthy ones!

BigDragon

My fav = **** Hand - Jack King Off

ABC - First Three Cards are A-2-3
Aggie Slick - 2-3
Ainsworth - 6-2
Ajax - A-J
Alabama Night Riders - K-K-K
All Blue - Any Flush
All Pink - Any Flush
American Airlines - A-A
Arkansas Flush - A Four Flush
Assault Rifle - A-K-4-7
Bachelor's Hand - J-Ko
Baskin-Robbins - 3-A
Beatles Reunion - A-A-A
Beer Hand - 7-2
Bicycle or Bike - A-2-3-4-5
Big Al - K-10
Big Lick - 6-9
Big Fritz - K-2s
Big Slick - A-K
Blocky - 6-3
Bowling Hand - 10-7
Broadway - A-K-Q-J-10
Broderick Crawford - 10-4
Bug - Joker
Bull - A
Bullets - A-A in the Hole
Bully Johnson - 3-5
Calamity Jane - Qs
Cambodian Slick - 7-4o
Canine - K-9
Case Card - Fourth Card of a Rank
CB Hand - T-4
Columbia River - K-7
Computer Hand - Q-7o
Cowboy - K
Cowboys - K-K
Crabs - 3-3
Curse of Scotland - 9d
Dame - Q
Dark fours (Darth Vader) - 4s-4c
Dead Man's Hand - A-8
Dimes - T-T
Dinner for Two - 6-9
Dinner for Four - Pair of 6's & 9's
Dog Balls - 8-8
Dolly Parton - 9-5
Doyle Brunson - 10-2 or A-Q (In Texas)
Deuce - 2
Deuces Never Loses - 2-2
Dykes - Q-Q
Dyne-O-Mite (JJ from Good Times) - J-J
Filipino Slick - 7-5o
Finky Dink - 8-5
First Street - A-2-3-4-5
Fishhook - J
Flat Tire - J-4
Forest - 3-3-3
Fred & Ethel - J-Q
Fritz - K-2o
Gay Waiter - Q-3
German Virgin - 9-9
Gleek - Three of a Kind
Golf Bag - Club Flush
Goolsby - Q-10
Gorillas - K-K
Gorillas in the Mist - K-K
Grand Jury - 4-4-4
Graham Norton's - Q-Q
Heinz - 5-7
Huey, Dewey and Louie - 2-2-2
Hocky Sticks - 7-7
Hook - J
Hookers - Q-Q
Hooter Hand - 2-3s
Jack Benny - 3-9
J-Bird - J
J-Boy - J
Jesse James - 4-5
Jesus (Chris Ferguson) - A-9o
Jimmy Summerfield - 6-3o
Joe Bernstein - 6-9
Joe Louis - As-Ac
Johnny Moss - A-10
Katie (KT) - K-10
King Crab - K-3
Kojak - K-J
Kokomo - K-8
Kotch - 6-6-6
Ku Klux Klan - K-K-K
Lady - Q
Liner - Any face card
Little Oldsmobile - 8-8
Little Slick - A-2
Lucy & Ricky - K-Q
Lumberman's Hand - 2-4
Marriage - K-Q
Maverick - Q-J
Mongrel - K-9o
Montana Banana - 9-2
Mop Squeezers - Q-Q
Motown - J-5
Noah's Ark - Four Pair (Omaha)
Nuts - Unbeatable Hand
Oldsmoble - 9-8
Pacheco Nuts - 8-6o
Paint - Any Face Card
Pair of Ducks - 2-2
Pair of Wire Cutters (Dikes) - Q-Q
Peanut Butter & Jelly - Q-6o
Pedigree - K-9s
Percy - 6-9o
Phil Hellmuth - 9-9
Pickle Man - 5-7
Pinocle - Qs-Jd
Pocket Rockets - A-A
Polish Big Slick - 2-3
Presto - 5-5
Pup (or Puppy) - A-2-3-4-5
Quads - Four of a Kind
Quinine - Q-9
Railroad Hand - J-6
Raquel Welch - 3-8
Rodney - King high Club flush
Sail Boats - 4-4
Salt Lake Pair - A-K
San Francisco Busboy - Q-3
Set - Three of a Kind with Pair in the Hole
Sharp Tops - A-A
Shoe Store - Three Pair
Siegfreid and Roy - Q-Q
Sizzler - K-3
Six Tits - Q-Q-Q
Snowmen - 8-8
Tension - 10-10
Tetris - 10-8
Thirty Miles - 10-10-10
Trey - 3
Trips - Three of a Kind
Twiggy - 2-9
Union Oil - 7-6
Valentines - Heart Flush
Village People - Q-Q-Q-Q
Visine - Ah-Ad
Washington Monument - 5-5-5
Weinberg - 10-3
Wheel - A-2-3-4-5
Windsor Waiter - Q-3
Wired Pair - Pair in First Two Cards
Woodcutter - K-To
Woolworth - 5-10

It's amazing what you can find on the t'interweb

careca

rounders123 wrote:

Awe right!, i just wrongly assumed it was a style of playing a hand or something.
UL in that ppp package tournie i spotted you in last night, you had a nice stack for a while there.

cheers. big stack kept raising my BB for small amounts so I decided to do something about it. He min raised, I came back over the top with 56o and he called like a shot with AQ. lol.

Giblet

Hmm I wonder, if there was a straight on the board that means it's split if neither playing can get a higher straight? I always assumed that the playing holding the higher cards would take the pot even if what he was holding didn't figure in the straight :S

careca

Giblet wrote:

Hmm I wonder, if there was a straight on the board that means it's split if neither playing can get a higher straight? I always assumed that the playing holding the higher cards would take the pot even if what he was holding didn't figure in the straight :S

Nope. Best five cards regardless. If the board is the nuts then its split.

Unless of course you're an Irish Rugby International playing in the Irish Open (2K entry fee). Boards cards are four of a kind (we'll say JJJJ) with an A. One player goes all in for the crack. Irish Rugby International folds

BigDragon

Giblet wrote:

Hmm I wonder, if there was a straight on the board that means it's split if neither playing can get a higher straight? I always assumed that the playing holding the higher cards would take the pot even if what he was holding didn't figure in the straight :S

please refer to answers above to original query.

califano

Ah crap. I was watching your table for a few minutes and i seen you lost an all in race for about 2200. His 2200 v your higher cards and you were on about 4300 a the time.
I was playing a good value 1k guarenteed freezout round about the same time. $20 buyin with only 18 runners 5 places paid. I came 3rd for €150. It was the most tense final table i ever played. 2 monster stacks v me and 2 other similar small stacks. Everyone was keeping out of eachothers way to a ridiculous extent. With 5 left and folded around to monster stack in sb with small stack in bb the monster stack didnt complete several times. When the 2 other small stacks were busted out i folded my tent and went for it.

roryc

BigDragon wrote:

San Francisco Busboy - Q-3

NickyOD

They left one out. J-3 is the "Camel Ball Licker".

careca

rounders123 wrote:

Ah crap. I was watching your table for a few minutes and i seen you lost an all in race for about 2200. His 2200 v your higher cards and you were on about 4300 a the time.
I was playing a good value 1k guarenteed freezout round about the same time. $20 buyin with only 18 runners 5 places paid. I came 3rd for €150. It was the most tense final table i ever played. 2 monster stacks v me and 2 other similar small stacks. Everyone was keeping out of eachothers way to a ridiculous extent. With 5 left and folded around to monster stack in sb with small stack in bb the monster stack didnt complete several times. When the 2 other small stacks were busted out i folded my tent and went for it.

Nice one. Can't remember the last time I cashed in a MTT online. Thankfully I'm winning a bit on the cash tables.