Fundamental differences between men and women?

Dreamcatcher · 02-07-2005 10:00pm #1

Fundamental differences between men and women?

Or do you disagree perhaps and think that there are none ?

Some would say that gender may be largely a state of mind, conditioned by society, upbringing etc. eg girls adopting(subsconsciously) their mothers and other female role models ways of being, and the same for guys and their fathers and their peers.

I have a couple of links that I was going to post, but I think I'll leave those till later - would prefer to hear peoples own points of views and experiences beforehand.

I am also thinking about this from a historical perspective - eg before media - eg magazines, tv, cinema portrayed men and women's behaviour as being this or that.

There are a number of traits which are legendary such as women can't read maps and men don't listen!

I for one am a woman and can read maps, and always consult a map if I am venturing into unknown territory.
Then there's my sister who has recently passed her driving test and I was in the car with her the other day while she was driving in Dublin, and she had a list of "landmarks" eg the spar shop, turn left at the 2nd crossroads etc. I don't drive, but I do cycle, and I asked her why don't you just use a map - I can lend you mine, and she was like "Well one of my friends offered to draw me a diagram, and I said I can't follow diagrams or maps of any kind, I prefer just an easy to follow list of places to look out for".

As for most of the men that I've experienced or had in my life, they tend to not want to talk about what's really going on. I am not the sort of woman who needs to know all - not like that at all - and have all cards on the table, but if it's clearly appropriate that a talk and a sorting out of things is needed, then I prefer to have stuff said, sorted, and then we can move on.
My experience is that men prefer to bury their head in the sand at worst, or are unwilling to get into the nitty gritty of whats actually happening in a particular scenario. They prefer to just breeze along through life as though no event has occurred - and sometimes they suppress and bottle stuff up - and it does come out eventually after a long period of time has elapsed. I'm like "well why didn't you say so at the time?".
Also they may never say anything at all about what it is that is or has been bothering them, but just dump it on you in the end, after you persist with "what's going on in your head, I need to know", with little or no explanation.

Ok, that last part may be a bit of a rant, I admit.

I realise that this is a huge topic, but any thoughts?

4Xcut · 02-07-2005 10:08pm

We can pee standing up.

After this ammount of human evolution and that's about really. Ohh we can also open jars.

Tar.Aldarion · 02-07-2005 10:15pm

a lot of it is conditioning.maybe there are some differences in the noggin.whos to say?
there are some guys that act like girls and likewise with girls acting like guys.there are of course millions of versions inbetwen the two,i listen to pewople for example :P).because of society and the way people are brought up with a beliefs system characteristics obvously appear on both sides for eg.(on average ofc) for every thing a guy worries about their body a girl worries about like 10 etc.this would be due to conditioning on both sides.

1huge1 · 02-07-2005 10:20pm

as for the bit that you say men are more into sex (on average) than woman is because they tend be more like the father
well i suppose that would have some to do with it but id say more so of the fact that thats the way our body works i could be wrong
maybe if woman had the same upbringing as males maybe they would be the same

Tar.Aldarion · 02-07-2005 11:01pm

i'd say it's that yoke in our pants going crazy at an adolescent age,not upbringing on that account...nature at it's finest

OLDYELLAR · 02-07-2005 11:04pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

i'd say it's that yoke in our pants going crazy at an adolescent age,not upbringing on that account...nature at it's finest

LOL nicely put

Dreamcatcher · 03-07-2005 12:04am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

i'd say it's that yoke in our pants going crazy at an adolescent age,not upbringing on that account...nature at it's finest

Well daaaah. Top marks for observation.
However, I was hoping for a less shallow treatment of the topic!
Perhaps I should've said adults only!

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 12:10am

He has a point it is a fundamental diff between men and women , plus he is an adult :rolleyes:

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 12:13am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

i'd say it's that yoke in our pants going crazy at an adolescent age,not upbringing on that account...nature at it's finest

and that yoke never stopps reminding us

mad m · 03-07-2005 12:15am

Women love bingo(over 50's apply) and men love to lounge on a bar stool with there bags bulging out of there trousers reading the local rag.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:18am

Dreamcatcher wrote:

Well daaaah. Top marks for observation.
However, I was hoping for a less shallow treatment of the topic!
Perhaps I should've said adults only!

what do you mean 'Well daaaah' the person before me said that there was doubt about upbringing/nature on that front,say well duh to him

i don't know how you percieve it as shallow it was just a fact i was pointing out to 1huge1.
i'm an intelligent adult thank you very much

Dreamcatcher · 03-07-2005 12:19am

Yes indeed Tar has a point indeed and maybe it's a big one - yeh!

But it's off topic!

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:19am

axtradub12 wrote:

and that yoke never stopps reminding us

i think he or she or whatever is calling me,the wanker! (heh)

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 12:20am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

what do you mean 'Well daaaah' the person before me said that there was doubt about upbringing/nature on that front,say well duh to him
i don't know how you percieve it as shallow it was just a fact i was pointing out to 1huge1.
i'm an intelligent adult thank you very much

I think your honesty is embaressing people Tar , talking about that yoke in yer pants ya know ,

joe. · 03-07-2005 12:20am

Give a woman a bit of power and she turns into a beast

airetam_storm · 03-07-2005 12:26am

joe. wrote:

Give a woman a bit of power and she turns into a beast

Wrong, some do but alot dont. Alot handle it better than we do, as we tend to get big headed and arronant :rolleyes:

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:26am

OLDYELLAR wrote:

I think your honesty is embaressing people Tar , talking about that yoke in yer pants ya know ,

it was a girl that made me so open about everything ....blame her!
as for honesty,never lying is one of the things i'm proud of

Dreamcatcher · 03-07-2005 12:26am

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axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 12:29am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

i think he or she or whatever is calling me,the wanker! (heh)

Oh Please dear Tar. I was just speaking about that Yoke we males have that keep reminding us Males that it is Alive.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:29am

Dreamcatcher wrote:

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any particular q's about this you want us to answer as this is just a huge topic to post about...

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 12:30am

joe. wrote:

Give a woman a bit of power and she turns into a beast

Full Marks here

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:31am

axtradub12 wrote:

Oh Please dear Tar. I was just speaking about that Yoke we males have that keep reminding us Males that it is Alive.

oh i was talking about it aswell,double meanings all round the shop. :rolleyes:

mad m · 03-07-2005 12:33am

Dreamcatcher wrote:

Also they may never say anything at all about what it is that is or has been bothering them, but just dump it on you in the end, after you persist with "what's going on in your head, I need to know", with little or no explanation.

Women invented this little trait,men after a number of years evolved and learnt from women to do this,maybe to wreck their heads or just because they can.

Ahh the worm has turned...

As far as men not listening to women,I can confirm I've done(and still do it).I dont know why it happens but I hear the first few words then all I hear is "Blah,blah,blah blah,blah....ok you get that dear"....Me:"What?,sorry say again"..Blah,blah,blah.

This always happens when something interesting is on for a man or he is doing something that has his full attention.Now when a man asks a woman(In my experience) something while a favorite soap in on,the tables are turned again.And it is I that is saying "Blah,blah,blah"...you get that hun? Her: "Yeah,I'm looking at corno".

airetam_storm · 03-07-2005 12:35am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

any particular q's about this you want us to answer as this is just a huge topic to post about...

So eager to post up more crude analogies

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 12:37am

Dreamcatcher, isn't that title from the Secret Garden? www.secretgarden.no
Nice one :cool:

joe. · 03-07-2005 12:38am

airetam_storm wrote:

Wrong, some do but alot dont. Alot handle it better than we do, as we tend to get big headed and arronant :rolleyes:

It's only my opinion, but I find it's the opposite. Very few women can handle a bit of power properly. A bunch of unpredictable screwballs that I can't and have stopped trying to understand.

Women are a different breed altogether!

Scary animals

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:39am

airetam_storm wrote:

So eager to post up more crude analogies

the people love it

i've always liked the interestingly rude analogies the best

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 12:41am

joe. wrote:

It's only my opinion, but I find it's the opposite. Very few women can handle a bit of power properly. A bunch of unpredictable screwballs that I can't and have stopped trying to understand.

Women are a different breed altogether!

Scary animals

A bunch of unpredictable screwballs eh , Im a woman an have no problems with handling a bit of power thank you very much.

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 12:42am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

the people love it i've always liked the interestingly rude analogies the best

You rude thing

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 12:43am

Tar Marty Wheelan said it once and he`ll say it again ''You Dirty Bitch''

mad m · 03-07-2005 12:45am

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Im a woman an have no problems with handling a bit of power thank you very much.

Would that be on top? Or a tie me up tie me down situation.

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 12:47am

mad m wrote:

Would that be on top? Or a tie me up tie me down situation.

Like i said I have no problems with power so I guess it applies to all of the above.

mad m · 03-07-2005 12:51am

Eyebrow raises....

Well fundamental differences is, men think they are in control,but we all know they are not!

Now tie me up,Meow!!!!

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 12:53am

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Tar Marty Wheelan said it once and he`ll say it again ''You Dirty Bitch''

ah a quote after my own heart

Dreamcatcher · 03-07-2005 1:08am

joe. wrote:

] Very few women can handle a bit of power properly.

What? What d'ya mean by "power"?
Speaking for myself, I only want harmony and peace, and justice in my own life and in the lives of others.
"Power" is the reason that the world is ****ed up. Male leaders on "power trips", who are too stubborn, proud, whatever to sit down and negotiate world peace and make it happen. If it was women pulling the strings there would not be a bunch of hypocrites as world leaders, selling weapons to so-called rogue states whilst at the same time meeting the leaders of these states pretending that that they are friendly nations, or if they've pissed them off in any way, declaring them as rogue states and plotting war against them. Boys will be boys eh? And the most boyish/childish of them become world leaders. George Bush? Bertie Ahern? Tony Blair?
Go figure.

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 1:12am

mad m wrote:

Eyebrow raises....

Well fundamental differences is, men think they are in control,but we all know they are not!

Now tie me up,Meow!!!!

Women are always in control. I like it

joe. · 03-07-2005 1:21am

Dreamcatcher wrote:

What? What d'ya mean by "power"?
Speaking for myself, I only want harmony and peace, and justice in my own life and in the lives of others.
"Power" is the reason that the world is ****ed up. Male leaders on "power trips", who are too stubborn, proud, whatever to sit down and negotiate world peace and make it happen. If it was women pulling the strings there would not be a bunch of hypocrites as world leaders, selling weapons to so-called rogue states whilst at the same time meeting the leaders of these states pretending that that they are friendly nations, or if they've pissed them off in any way, declaring them as rogue states and plotting war against them. Boys will be boys eh? And the most boyish/childish of them become world leaders. George Bush? Bertie Ahern? Tony Blair?
Go figure.

I figure we'd be on the brink of a World War every 28 days or so per woman who was a world leader.

Take Maggie there as an example. You can't say she did a good job.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2005 1:26am

joe. wrote:

I figure we'd be on the brink of a World War every 28 days or so per woman who was a world leader.

Take Maggie there as an example. You can't say she did a good job.

lol what kind of opinion is that,women are inferior? pff
you judge women on thatcher so judge men by bush....

joe. · 03-07-2005 1:34am

I never said and am not saying women are inferior. Just don't give them power if you can help it. It's not a case of all women, just most of them.

Dreamcatcher · 03-07-2005 1:34am

joe. wrote:

I figure we'd be on the brink of a World War every 28 days or so per woman who was a world leader.

Take Maggie there as an example. You can't say she did a good job.

The male leaders of the world are in a permanent state of war and arms racing.
It's about attitude. OK Maggie was a warmonger, but her peers were all men.
Ronnie Reagan, that Libyan bloke what-his-name. Different era.

Yet still out planet is being ruled and abused by egotistical intellectually-deficient boys and their toys - aka weapons of mass destruction - they and their "enemies" are well on the road to destroying our planet. I hope I'm wrong!

joe. · 03-07-2005 1:38am

Dreamcatcher wrote:

The male leaders of the world are in a permanent state of war and arms racing.
It's about attitude. OK Maggie was a warmonger, but her peers were all men.
Ronnie Reagan, that Libyan bloke what-his-name. Different era.

Yet still out planet is being ruled and abused by egotistical intellectually-deficient boys and their toys - aka weapons of mass destruction - they and their "enemies" are well on the road to destroying our planet. I hope I'm wrong!

Thank **** there isn't a women mixed up in there.

scuba steve · 03-07-2005 5:21pm

I think its that men have penis and women have vaginas and boobs

pickarooney · 03-07-2005 5:28pm

Dreamcatcher wrote:

What? What d'ya mean by "power"?
Speaking for myself, I only want harmony and peace, and justice in my own life and in the lives of others.
"Power" is the reason that the world is ****ed up. Male leaders on "power trips", who are too stubborn, proud, whatever to sit down and negotiate world peace and make it happen. If it was women pulling the strings there would not be a bunch of hypocrites as world leaders, selling weapons to so-called rogue states whilst at the same time meeting the leaders of these states pretending that that they are friendly nations, or if they've pissed them off in any way, declaring them as rogue states and plotting war against them. Boys will be boys eh? And the most boyish/childish of them become world leaders. George Bush? Bertie Ahern? Tony Blair?
Go figure.

Is the expression "power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely" or "having external gonads makes you a lousy leader" ?
What kind of nonsense is it to claim that if women were in power we'd all be living in peace and harmony with full bellies - if that dreamworld scenario ever did come to pass, the very next day all the leaders in the world would be overthrown by nasty people. The bad guys/girls will always be in control as they have no moral impediment to stop them getting what they want.

OLDYELLAR · 03-07-2005 5:45pm

scuba steve wrote:

I think its that men have penis and women have vaginas and boobs

Its funnt cos its true

scuba steve · 03-07-2005 6:40pm

and men stand and women sit to pee too

Catsmokinpot · 03-07-2005 10:06pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

well aparently mens brians and womens brains work completely differently

spoon · 04-07-2005 1:03am

women can fake an orgasm,
and men can fake entire relationships

Gazza22 · 04-07-2005 1:09am

This might sum up the differences between men and women....

NICKNAMES
If Laura, Suzanne, Kate and Sarah go out for lunch, they will call each other Laura, Suzanne, Kate and Sarah.
If Mike, Charlie, Dave and John go out, they will affectionately refer to each other as Fat Boy, Godzilla, Peanut-Head and Scrappy.

EATING OUT
When the bill arrives, Mike, Charlie, Dave and John will each throw in €20, even though it's only for €32.50. None of them will have anything smaller, and none will actually admit they want change back.
When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.

MONEY
A man will pay €20 for a €10 item he needs.
A woman will pay €10 for a €20 item that she doesn't need but it's on sale.

BATHROOMS
A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel from Myers.
The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337.
A man would not be able to identify most of these items.

ARGUMENTS
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

CATS
Women love cats.
Men say they love cats, but when women aren't looking, men kick cats.

FUTURE
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband. A man
never worries about the future until he gets a wife.

SUCCESS
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can
spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

MARRIAGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change and she does.

DRESSING UP
A woman will dress up to go shopping, water the plants, empty the bins, answer the phone, read a book, and get the post.
A man will dress up for weddings and funerals.

NATURAL
Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed.
Women somehow deteriorate during the night.

OFFSPRING
Ah, children. A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist
appointments and romances, best friends, favourite foods, secret fears and
hopes and dreams.
A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Any married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people
remembering the same thing.

Tar.Aldarion · 04-07-2005 1:14am

women can too,just seen it...she ddnt want to tell him it was a mistake right from the beginning and it lasted 4 months!

Tar.Aldarion · 04-07-2005 1:17am

''ARGUMENTS
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument. ''

hahahahha

Dreamcatcher · 04-07-2005 1:49am

gazza22 wrote:

This might sum up the differences between men and women....

NICKNAMES
If Laura, Suzanne, Kate and Sarah go out for lunch, they will call each other Laura, Suzanne, Kate and Sarah.
If Mike, Charlie, Dave and John go out, they will affectionately refer to each other as Fat Boy, Godzilla, Peanut-Head and Scrappy.

Yes, but moreso it they're teenagers/early 20's I would've thought, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

EATING OUT
When the bill arrives, Mike, Charlie, Dave and John will each throw in €20, even though it's only for €32.50. None of them will have anything smaller, and none will actually admit they want change back.
When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.

Not true in my experience. Last incident i'm thinking of was in a taxi with a bunch of other women and some of us had no fivers but gave say the 3 euro that they had in change whereas others gave a fiver. No biggie. It was a night out. Any discrepencies will be compensated on the next night out.

MONEY
A man will pay €20 for a €10 item he needs.
A woman will pay €10 for a €20 item that she doesn't need but it's on sale.

Hmm, in my experience, the man will pay NO MORE than €10 for the item that he needs. As for the sales thing and women, yes you are right -I have done this occasionally in the past

BATHROOMS
A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel from Myers.
The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337.
A man would not be able to identify most of these items.

Oh Jesus. Are you quoting this data from an american site by any chance? I have around 10 esential items or less that I could call my own in the bathroom at any point in time.

ARGUMENTS
A woman has the last word in any argument.
Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

That's bull.

CATS
Women love cats.
Men say they love cats, but when women aren't looking, men kick cats.

That's also bull

FUTURE
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband. A man
never worries about the future until he gets a wife.

What the.....
????

SUCCESS
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can
spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

Again, that's bull

MARRIAGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change and she does.

Outdated chiched rubbish!

DRESSING UP
A woman will dress up to go shopping, water the plants, empty the bins, answer the phone, read a book, and get the post.
A man will dress up for weddings and funerals.

Jesus Christ that must mean that I am a man: bull**** I say!

NATURAL
Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed.
Women somehow deteriorate during the night.

Oh dear, Are you going out with a transvestite?

OFFSPRING
Ah, children. A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist
appointments and romances, best friends, favourite foods, secret fears and
hopes and dreams.
A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.

Hmmm He shouldn't be sowing his wild oats then should he?

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Any married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people
remembering the same thing.

The penny has dropped that your entire post is just an attempt at being humourous - yank stylie.

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