Who shows first at The Showdown

Coillte_Bhoy

As the thread heading says - Who shows first at The Showdown? Continous arguments at my regular game with everyone insisting they are right. Any definitive answer? is it first to bet/raise or last to call?

NickyOD

Some cardrooms have their own rule but generally the aggressor on the last round of betting shows first. Demanding to see someone's hand first when you've been the aggressor then mucking your own is extremely rude.

azzeretti

Yeah I have seen some hassle with this too:
Depending on the situation there are two possible outcomes:
1) if someone bets and is called on the river it should be the inital person who bet to show first followed clockwise by the rest.
2) If its checked to the river the person in first (playable) position should show first

On a slightly similar topic, why does PP not always show the other players hand at showdown? I noticed a lot of the time when calling on the river the other players hand is instantly mucked?

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azzeretti wrote:

On a slightly similar topic, why does PP not always show the other players hand at showdown? I noticed a lot of the time when calling on the river the other players hand is instantly mucked?

players can select under options whether or not they want to automatically muck losing hands, or to decide themselves whether to show losing hands...by default player's losing hands are mucked...

NickyOD

azzeretti wrote:

On a slightly similar topic, why does PP not always show the other players hand at showdown? I noticed a lot of the time when calling on the river the other players hand is instantly mucked?

Doesn't that happen when you take the "automuck losing hand" option. You still go tot he hand history to see it.

Dave

Same on PokerRoom, but if you go to the hand history on either site the cards are there.

Einstein

It's normally the player that gets called isn't it?
It makes me laugh at tables when people complain "you show first, No you show first"

You're both gonna have to show so it makes zero difference who does it first, just show and lets get on with the game !!

D..

azzeretti

Yeah, I have that option switched on too, I just thought that the Showdown was an actual rule in hold'em i.e all must show. I have seen people at tourneies see the other players hand then muck theirs, this has caused uproar as the other players insist the hand must be shown - even the dealer.
I was just curious is all

Culchie

Surely you should have to show both hands ..from an anti- collusion point of view ...no?

Hitman Actual

The dealers will probably give the definitive answer later, but I'm sure that the player who puts in the last bet/raise shows first. Once the remaining player(s) sees a hand which they cannot beat, they usually muck. But any other players at the table can now request to see any of the hands involved, although it's considered bad etiquette to do so. Also, if a player shows a losing hand to any other player, and then mucks, he must show everyone. And, if a player shows one card in their hand (either a winning or losing hand), they have to show both. This is one thing I usually request, 'cos I dont think it's bad etiquette to ask here (although I could be wrong).

Corben Dallas

what on PP only the winning hand is shown to the table!!!? :O the losing hand(if the option is ticked) is auto mucked ?what!!!!???
on UB u have a muck losing hands option but if you go all in or see any hand to conclusion both hands winner AND loser are shown automatically always.

I thougth this was pretty much standard online? Number1 to stop/combat collusion and 2. If u battle /get into a showdown the table needs to see both sets of hands. This is pretty much essential online also as u wont know the person (gen.) and it also gives valuable player info.

If this is the case, wont be playing on PP.

**side note** something u see in the Fitz, " u show first" " no u show" with 2 or even all players stalling waiting to see the other players cards before they turn theirs, ive seen showdowns where the dealer has to say(after 2mins fudging) "turn cards over now gents."
Also if one guy flips his cards real quick(normally to show off AA or KK etc) the other player just quietly/sneakily mucks his cards w/o showing. I think this is bad form and some guys who do this every chance they get should be forced to show the table.

ollyk1

I think you've summarised the thing perfectly Lenny.

The reason why it's considered bad etiquette to request to see a mucked players cards is becuase at the table cards speak. Therefore if I misread my hand and go to fold but somebody requests that my cards be turned over before they are mucked and I've missed that instead of having a rubbish hand like I thoguht I had I've filled a miracle inside straight on the river to beat the other players trips (I've seen this happen ) the pot would be awarded to me!

So if you've just won a big hand and the pot is being pushed your way and you have an urge to know what the other guy was playing back at you with - fight that urge and just be happy you won the pot I say

And if you are another player sitting at the table be sure you have a strong reason for suspecting collusion before you request to see the players cards who stayed in the hand until the showdown because if you cost someone a pot because the other guys misread his hand you're not going to be too popular.


If someone shows 1 card (to give them top pair or something) and then goes to fold I always have to laugh when people ask to see the other card - if you're a poker player you should know pretty much what the other card is. You'll never see Andy Black asking to see the other card he's just delighted to have gotten free information from the first card and he'll encourage you to show your one card again sometime by not asking to see the kicker.

I'd agree with Hector when you're learning the game don't show at all. I've only recently begun showing the occasional card and I find it's much more effective to show bluffing hands where you got lucky on the turn or river (by not overbetting at the end so there is a showdown) that way people think you didn't mean to show your bluff but you're only showing it because you got lucky and therefore they react differently to the advertising (they don't get upset they just decide to call you the next time you bet a certain way so you can take advantage of that). Anybody any thoughts on this? I find most other ways of showing bluffs can have unpredictable effects.