Alcohol ...

jono087

ya, ctyi has to be experienced to be believed. Its pure madness!! (smirnoff ice, wkd & bud:D)

Plunky

I remember the good ole days where people didn't drink at CTYI...

Lady penelopy

i dont remember(for obvious reasons), but personally i think its better without. not being much of a drinker myself i guess i cant really comment, but, i dont know, i just dont think its necessary. well, obv. its not, it never is, but its just...i dunno, someone help me out here...*looks at plunky expectantly*

PurpleFistMixer

One of the large defining differences between CTYI and Irish College is the non-drinking thing about CTYI. Not ever having been to Irish College I can't comment from experience but from what I gather, there is... yeah, quite a bit of a difference between the two in that particular respect.

LiamD

Really, really smart guys talking about drinking at CTYI on the CTYI board with the CTYI administrators reading.

Lady penelopy

oh please! the amount thats been discussed here already, theyre shocked as it is.

LiamD

Like what?Nothing has been discussed here and last year when they did discuss drinking they deleted it and banned people(the mods I mean).If you want to make them all paranoid and strict you're going the right way about it.

Plunky

Let them be what they want to be. And also, who's paranoid when you're the one who thinks the staff have time to read everything here!.. Life in general is more fun without alcohol, ESPECIALLY when it's ILLEGAL for you guys...
Let Neil/Podge ban me if they want to, I'm sure we'll be able to discuss it as the reasonable adults we are and come to some arrangement, should it come to that. Just remember that Jono087 is the one who brought it up...

@Lady Penelopy - you're right, it's not necessary!

Raphael

Wrong Liam. Plunky is talking about the way that drinking didn't used to happen at CTYI. Everyone knows it happens now, a few people are expelled as a result. However, last time the discussion was to the tune of "Lads, I was so twisted at CTYI, omglol." Or, in your words

>>>Liam<<< says:
i did ye
>>>Liam<<< says:
not too much tho
>>>Liam<<< says:
i wasn't caught, put it that way

Now that kind of thing makes CTYI look bad and brings down modwrath[tm]. This is just harmless recollection

StupidLikeAFox

Real mature raph.

LiamD

I never said any of that Raphael, you must have the wrong person.Completely agree with Lady Penelope and Plunky.Drinking isn't necessary at CTYI and hasn't really got a place there.

StupidLikeAFox

Isnt it like anything? Theres always a few who'll drink/few who wont, few who'll enjoy it regardless/ few who'll enjoy it only with drink/ few who'll detest the alcohol/ blah blah blah.

Personally I never drank anything in CTYI (nothing worth mentioning anyway), but i see how it could have been better/ could have been worse with it. Its down to the person really, they know the risks, and this is a really really pointless argument as pretty much everyone is singing of the same hymnsheet and stating the obvious, esp me.

Ramble ramble ramble

On another note why do these threads even have topics anymore?

Raphael

Sorry Liam, but you did. Chat logs don't lie.

Chowburger

ColHol wrote:

On another note why do these threads even have topics anymore?

'Cause you gotta start somewhere, I guess.

I never drank anything there, don't remember anyone I knew doing it either.('Cept for a bunch of people on the train on the way home my first year, but I was only 12.) I guess I wouldn't mind people doing it for a laugh, but I really don't like when people are like, 'Nothing's fun unless we drink!' Same with people who break the rules just for the sake of doing so, if you know what I mean.

Plunky

LiamD wrote:

I never said any of that Raphael, you must have the wrong person.Completely agree with Lady Penelope and Plunky.Drinking isn't necessary at CTYI and hasn't really got a place there.

Someone trying to cover their asses?! Paranoid about these apparent all-seeing CTYIstaff?!
If I remember correctly, and I do, Liam once tried to get me to get him vodka - i brought him into M&S knowing full well they're WAY too upmarket to stock it...

I've seen the chatlog Liam, you did say that...
That is all

GlitterB

Good man yourself raphael you bringing up somethin from ages ago has achieved what exactly?
Drinking is everywhere now and there are always some that will drink and some that wont but I dont think drinking at CTYI totally degrades what its all about or anything like that but y'all probs shouldnt do it.........because it says so in the rule thingy

Plunky

Ouch - my head hurts from the lack of punctuation in that comment!

Its achievements were twofold: 1) an(other) amusing display of Liam trying to deny something;
2) It brought back a couple of good New Ross memories!

halenger

GlitterB wrote:

but y'all probs shouldnt do it.........because it says so in the rule thingy

Perhaps you shouldn't do it because it's illegal also?

What the hell is peoples obsession with alcohol? Seriously now. Is it "cool" to drink at a young age? Such an incredible waste of money. ... And people want to drink at CTYI? What are you trying to forget? Is CTYI now that bad? People of course have done it before and have, when caught, rightly been ejected from CTYI.

Plunky

*falls to his knees in praise of Podge...*

Also, hope your finals went okay!

halenger

Ask me Thursday.

I've no problem with the discussion. Once it's not something stupid like "how to get away with getting smashed and having an orgy at CTYI". I think people have a little more sense than that - I might be a tad too hopeful though.

Anyway I guess "drinking" at CTYI isn't a new thing. Just something I care to ignore - there were people kicked off of the course before (and during, I think) my time at CTYI. I just never heard much of it and it was only the odd one or two at most.

For those who don't know me/haven't guessed I don't drink, at all, ever... A lot of my friends do, that's their business. A good number don't (which has surprised me a good bit lately). That's life.

Save it for your college years, if you must. There's no reason I can see for anyone underage getting drunk etc - I mean I can understand a drop of wine at a family dinner sorta thing but we all know how unrealistic a view of life that is.

doonothing

id have to agree with colhol (if you look at his name quickly, it almost looks like alcohol..) there, i can see how ctyi would be better sometimes with drink but worse sometimes without it.
but it is completely unnecessary. you can have the time of your life there and the fools who drink so much that they actually get caught deserve whatever they get.

teens and drinking just go together nowadays though. out of my group of friends, i only know 2 who dont drink, out of about 30ish id generally hang out with. and thats a group of people from rich areas, poor areas, all kinds of opinions and personalitites etc etc.
we've discussed it, and decided that we resort to drink because there's nothing else to do (of course its the whole childish "im not allowed so i must" thing but..) there really isnt much else to do... we go to the cinema alot, grand, but its expensive.. or go to the plex and get started on, or go to the green and get started on, or go to a house party and have fun.. hmm.
and with places like lidl, drink isnt expensive anymore. 2 litre bottle of cider is €3.50, the same amount as 4 cans of bulmers for a third of the cost. its insane.
drugs drink and smoking have just become a big part of a teenagers life now, and i dont see how the government will change it..

(o what has happened to the thread i started? how'd it go from excitement of upcoming ctyi to drink culture etc...)

StupidLikeAFox

halenger wrote:

What the hell is peoples obsession with alcohol?

We were discussing it, where did obsession come into it?

halenger wrote:

Is it "cool" to drink at a young age?

Who said that? Except the sort of assholes as seen in papers recently, but is that really an accurate reflection on youth today, coz i dont think so.

halenger wrote:

Such an incredible waste of money. ...

This is subjective, "in your opinion" in other words, plus as was said it doesnt take a lot of money to get merry, tipsy, locked or ossified, if ya really wanna get technical.

halenger wrote:

And people want to drink at CTYI?

*shock*horror*, call the police

halenger wrote:

What are you trying to forget?

Who said theyre trying to forget anything?

halenger wrote:

Is CTYI now that bad?

CTYI is CTYI, jus because a small minority drink, doesnt mean all of a sudden its like the wez or ever will be.

halenger wrote:

People of course have done it before and have, when caught, rightly been ejected from CTYI.

Well, they know the risks, they havent a leg to stand on if caught (literally and metaphorically) What of the people who might have had a small amount and had a good time? Are they also the scourge of ctyi?

JenLorigan

ColHol wrote:

CTYI is CTYI, jus because a small minority drink, doesnt mean all of a sudden its like the wez or ever will be.

Thank gods for small mercies...

Plunky

Jeez, Colhol, seems like SOMEone reads the Sunday World... Pfft for tabloids! I work in Spar, so I'm allowed diss on crappy papers - i see the ****e they pull in as articles every day!..

halenger

See see you just picked up on so many of my comments so completely wrong. They were general comments/statements. Not all CTYI oriented.

And you're gonna tell me it's not a waste of money? I hope you're having a laugh. Maybe you or younger people are buying the cheap drink from Lidl etc but I know so many people (my/college age) who blow 100/200 in a night or half/all their weeks wages in a weekend of drinking. Is that the reason to get a part time job now - to fund getting hammered?

If you really want me to call the Gardaí I will, I don't mind. Then again it's a bit of a waste of credit.

Oh and the comment about forgetting. Yeah that's one that gets me a lot. People who go out to have a good night and get so smashed that they don't remember it, none of it. I really can't see the point in that. I mean my memory is dreadful as it is. I don't need to start forgetting more things.

And yes, of course this is all my opinion - except for the illegality and kicking out of CTYI etc - they're matters of law/history&rules and so on.

Chowburger

halenger wrote:

Oh and the comment about forgetting. Yeah that's one that gets me a lot. People who go out to have a good night and get so smashed that they don't remember it, none of it. I really can't see the point in that. I mean my memory is dreadful as it is. I don't need to start forgetting more things.

Yes, aargh. The general idea of a good night amongst a whole lot of people I know - "Aaaaaaaaah, lads, best fun ever! I was so langered I don't remember a thing!"
I mean, what the hell? When I drink, it's to loosen me up a little so I can do things I like to look back on...

Piste

I'm all for people having a good time, and that includes drinking if that's what you're into and you feel it's necessary to enjoy yourself. But you should respect the rules that places like CTYI have. They're there for a reason, CTYI don't want to be getting sued by a parent whose little darling is rushed to hospital with alcohol poisoning as a result of consuming alcohol there. That could lead to discos being cancelled and tighter rules on RAs bringing us out to Euro Spar or whatever.

Oh, and don't let Aoibheann see this thread

halenger

halenger wrote:

If you really want me to call the Gardaí I will, I don't mind. Then again it's a bit of a waste of credit.

if you could just wait about 8/9 days that'd be good. For Colm's sake.

And on the whole drinking thing, i drink (shoot me), and I go to CTYI, but i've never had the thought of putting the two of them together. I don't see how it would affect it in a good way. I usually have great nights on the nights that others would choose to drink on (discos). And would actually prefer to be sstone cold sober, and be able to remember everything vividly.

For me, there isn't room in my CTYI calendar for alcohol.

Plunky

Deleted User wrote:

For me, there isn't room in my CTYI calendar for alcohol.

Kudos to you, and that's the way it should be...

Fabulo

Piste wrote:

Oh, and don't let Aoibheann see this thread

Dear lord, everyone hide!

GlitterB

Deleted User wrote:

For me, there isn't room in my CTYI calendar for alcohol.

Is that becuase you're a commuter this year??hehe

StupidLikeAFox

Plunky wrote:

Jeez, Colhol, seems like SOMEone reads the Sunday World... Pfft for tabloids! I work in Spar, so I'm allowed diss on crappy papers - i see the ****e they pull in as articles every day!..

Haha, i was in the pub sunday evening and it was on the counter!

halenger wrote:

Oh and the comment about forgetting. Yeah that's one that gets me a lot. People who go out to have a good night and get so smashed that they don't remember it, none of it.

Whats that got to do with you or me? If thats what theyre doing and theyre happy let them on. Same goes for the spending all theyre money part. Id disagree with this too, wont be losing any sleep over it. Anyway, back to your original point.....

And people want to drink at CTYI? What are you trying to forget?

See now, what makes you equate drinking with trying to forget something? Also, what makes you equate drinking with getting absolutely smashed?

Hugh Hefner

ColHol wrote:

See now, what makes you equate drinking with trying to forget something? Also, what makes you equate drinking with getting absolutely smashed?

Well why would someone drink if they didn't want to get drunk? If they didn't want to get drunk then there's no reason to be running the risk of drinking in CTYI and they'd be drinking something non-alcoholic.

StupidLikeAFox

ColHol wrote:

See now, what makes you equate drinking with trying to forget something? Also, what makes you equate drinking with getting absolutely smashed?

Hugh Hefner wrote:

Well why would someone drink if they didn't want to get drunk?

Drinking to get drunk as in merry, tipsy, ossiffied or what?

Stephen Forde

i dont think he has the word(or letters or whatever u want to call them) "ctyi" in his statement. But people drink to get drunk granted but most people dont do it to get smashed totally mainly cos it generally screws up your night and also your friends night. i forgot whatever else i was gonna say

Joycey

Stephen Forde wrote:

i told all my friends it was irish college except one of them and he kept calling me a nerd cos of goign to nerd camp then 2 years later he went!

just face it all ur friends should know by now that ur all nerds.....

Your still a nerd forde... Even if im one too

ha ha, as long as you know it Joyce

Lady penelopy

basically, if people want to drink, thats fine(not necessarily in a ctyi context though), but what i dont like is how lots of young people think thats the only way to have a good time:thats just unhealthy.

Aoibheann

Piste wrote:

Oh, and don't let Aoibheann see this thread

Hilarious, Liz!


Anyway, not everyone has had the pleasure of my lecture on underage drinking.

Ok, I'm just home from work, and I'm really not going to get into one of my rants, but think of this...

Money - think what you could be doing with that money, instead of pouring it down the drain(for drain, see mouth).

Health - eh, your liver. pretty important organ, ne? And all that alcohol can cause poisoning of the liver. Your liver gets messed up, so does the rest of you. Think of George Best here, people. I know you're all much younger than him, but you start drinking so much now, you dont stop...unless you're luckier than most.

People say they drink to enjoy themselves. Well guess what, you dont need to. I dont drink, and I definitely know how to enjoy myself. There's so much more to life then getting completely out of your head drunk. Presumably anyway. I dont drink and never will. Am I missing out on all that much? I dont think so, and what's more, I dont actually care.

Drinking at CTYI, what the hell are you people doing? You're quite possibly going to forget what could be some of the best times of your life. Drinking just ruins the whole thing. You get in trouble, you get kicked out, you egret it then. But it's all your own fault. Arent you forgetting that it's actually illegal for you all to drink? You'll end up having a far better time actually knowing what you're doing, and remembering. You'll have a much better time not having to hide anything. God forbid, you might just learn that drinking isnt everything.



Ok, so I ranted, sue me.

No. please dont. I like my money for spending on stuff.

StupidLikeAFox

thats a very narrow minded and extreme view of alcohol there aoibheann.....

Aoibheann

ColHol wrote:

thats a very narrow minded and extreme view of alcohol there aoibheann.....

Nah, not really. Now, you see, you know that I'm right. Otherwise you would have a lot more to back up your points. Alas, you have nothing. Drinking underage is illegal, for one thing, so there goes all your arguments down the drain.

How are my views narrow minded? I was just showing the damage alcohol does, and I am not wrong about what I said. It's not just an opinion that alcohol can harm you, it wastes money and you dont need it for a good time. This is fact.


Fair enough, go ahead and drink if you want to when you're so young. Waste your time. But I ask you, please dont drink at CTYI and ruin it for the rest of us.

StupidLikeAFox

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Nah, not really. Now, you see, you know that I'm right. Otherwise you would have a lot more to back up your points. Alas, you have nothing.

It was 3am in the morning, but if you really want me to, ill go back to your original post...

Money - think what you could be doing with that money, instead of pouring it down the drain(for drain, see mouth).

Things cost money. Your from Cavan right, you've paid money to go to Dublin to see friends. You leave Dublin in the evening with nothing, but you had a good time. Now some go down to the pub/club/whatever, have a few drinks, loosen up, have a good time. They get a little drunk, it may not be absolutely necassary, but the alcohol helps

Health - eh, your liver. pretty important organ, ne? And all that alcohol can cause poisoning of the liver. Your liver gets messed up, so does the rest of you. Think of George Best here, people. I know you're all much younger than him, but you start drinking so much now, you dont stop...unless you're luckier than most.

How many people actually end up like george best? How many people actually DRINK to the same extent as George Best. Is it your view that theres none drinkers on one hand, and millions of George Bests on the other?

People say they drink to enjoy themselves. Well guess what, you dont need to. I dont drink, and I definitely know how to enjoy myself. There's so much more to life then getting completely out of your head drunk. Presumably anyway. I dont drink and never will. Am I missing out on all that much? I dont think so, and what's more, I dont actually care

.
Good for you Aoibheann! Neither do i, ive gone to the pub several times and enjoyed myself without drinking, ive also gone a few times and had a few drinks and not had fun. At the end of the day life is what you make of it, alcohol isnt a dead cert for a savage night, and nobody should be assuming that. Likewise, drinking alcohol doesnt exactly mean your gonna get langers, puke, forget everything, wake up in a ditch. That sorta thing doesnt just *happen*.

There's so much more to life then getting completely out of your head drunk

*clap*, no ****.
1) Who said that, should you choose to drink, you'll be getting completely out of your head?
2) Who said there *wasnt* more to life than getting drunk?
And as for this concluding paragraph....

Drinking at CTYI, what the hell are you people doing? You're quite possibly going to forget what could be some of the best times of your life.

*Possibly*. As i said, it takes a lot of alcohol to get that drunk that you start forgetting lotsa things. And also whos to say it wont be "some of the best times of your life"? Your under the impression that alcohol=bad times and memory loss, which is a v extreme view

Drinking just ruins the whole thing. You get in trouble, you get kicked out, you egret it then.

Thats if you get caught. Its a massive risk, but if its a risk you're willing to take then your gonna have to be prepared for the consequences

You'll end up having a far better time actually knowing what you're doing, and remembering.

Oh cmon, this is another thing, people who say "i didnt know what i was doing, i was drunk". Again you do have some degree of self control when drunk. Until your getting very drunk you have quite a lot. And again with the FORGETTING. What is peoples obsession with "if you drink you'll forget everything!!!"???

God forbid, you might just learn that drinking isnt everything.

Again, why the assumption that "they drink, therefore they think drinking is everything". Nobody here said that!

In short i feel you have a wrong perception of alcohol. You take George Best as your typical drinker? He's sad, hes gone beyond a joke. If your gonna talk about alcoholics then thats a different thing. Fact is, not every drinker is an alcoholic.

Also you believe the myths that if you're gonna drink, you will most definitely get absolutely smashed, lose all self control and that you're gonna forget everything. No offence, but this is a very blinkered view, its pretty much propaganda. If you're going to drink to that extent, then you have a problem imo. But newsflash, the people who end up like this cannot blame drink, it is down to the person themselves!

Aoibheann, you have completely written off alcohol and cast it to the "bad" section of your brain. You cant understand why anyone would want to drink, but yet you've never drank before in your life. Take these two statements:
I have never been to CTYI because it is ****
I have never drank alcohol because i will have a bad time
Im not encouraging anyone to go out and get locked, but a mature, openminded view on the subject would be nice. Not this "alcohol is bad mmk". Fair enough, if thats what you think then fine, but its just not a very open minded view.

incredula pert

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Anyway, not everyone has had the pleasure of my lecture on underage drinking.

Luckily, I have. And am used to your sensationalist statements, assertions, and sterotyping. I'm also use to speaking to your from your high horse.

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Ok, I'm just home from work, and I'm really not going to get into one of my rants, but think of this...

Yes, I would call it a rant. There are no logical progressions, just alot of generalised statements. GOODY!

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Money - think what you could be doing with that money, instead of pouring it down the drain(for drain, see mouth).

Aoibheann, have you ever considered that not everyone may not deem it to be a "waste of money"? People don't always drink to get drunk, the fact that you believe this shows that you have very little experience with drinking itself (and no, I *don't* mean getting drunk, I mean in pubs etc). Granted, you have a right to an opinion, but unfortunatly, you seem to forget that everyone else does too, and you lecturing them on the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of their behaviour really isn't your place.

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Health - eh, your liver. pretty important organ, ne? And all that alcohol can cause poisoning of the liver. Your liver gets messed up, so does the rest of you. Think of George Best here, people. I know you're all much younger than him, but you start drinking so much now, you dont stop...unless you're luckier than most.

Oh my, you are a smart one! Yes your liver *is* an important organ, but guess what? so is your heart! but I'm guessing that doesn't stop you or the majority of us here from eating fatty foods. Fatty foods, just like alcohol, when 'binged' on are ofcourse dangerous, but that does not mean however, that one cannot enjoy it on certain occasions.

Gerorge Best is your example? Am I seeing things right? Now Aoibheann dear, if you are going to use a relevant example, don't pick an ageing alcoholic. Another thing that seemed to slip out of your train of thought is that ALCOHOLCISM is infact a DISEASE. And that NO, not everyone who takes a drink will become an ALCOHOLIC! Is that a stunng realisation for you? Just like obeseity, some people are more prone to it that others.

And as for "that most", I assume alot of peoples parents here enjoy a drink, are "most" of them alcoholics? don't think so, but if you'd like to challenge me on that Aoiheann, I invite you to.

The problem with alcohol today is not that fact that it exists, its the fact that people BINGE on it. The problem with underage drinking in Ireland does indeed run rampant, so rampant that we can't even expect to curb it by stopping every teenager from doing it. The statement "alcohol=bad" does NOT teach teenagers how to control their consumption-it infact encourages them to drink because *shock**horror* teenagers want to REBEL!Taking examples of France, Italy or Spain, where teenagers are introduced to drinking alcohol responsibly at a younger age, their rates of underage drinking are MUCH lower. In ireland, because our drinking culture is so prominent, wouldn't you agree that it would be more productive to actually encourgae THIS rather than a blanket ban thats completely ignored and completely ineffective?
Alcohol shouldn't be dangerous unless you binge on it, and that is what people need to be taught, not that is an evil substance. At this stage, you're not going to stop teenagers from drinking alchol, what needs to happen is effective control and regulation. Just like sex, if there is a social stigma attached to something, most likely, the rammifications of its irresponsible and often 'uneducated' use are far more dangerous. Why can't we concentrate on that rather than telling people that its wrong?

Aoibeann Brady wrote:

People say they drink to enjoy themselves. Well guess what, you dont need to. I dont drink, and I definitely know how to enjoy myself. There's so much more to life then getting completely out of your head drunk. Presumably anyway. I dont drink and never will. Am I missing out on all that much? I dont think so, and what's more, I dont actually care.

Aoibheann,yet again, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! People, when they drink don't always "get out of their head". Goodness me, are you that ignorant? And do you think that you're the first person to tell someone "well you don't need to drink to have a good time"? Thats right, you *don't* need to, but that doens't mean that you can't choose to. We don't need to do many things, we don't need to wear nice clothes, or have nice shoes, eat nice food, wear make-up, door our hair, or even have sex to have a good time(granted we may need the last one to pro create, but we all know that every time a person has sex they're not trying to pro create). But the point is, we choose to. There are certain things, than when taken in moderation( or done so responsibly in relation to sex) are pleasures in life. We don't need to run away from them, label them a taboo subject, and hope that the bad rammifications of their overuse will just go away. Like I said, people need to learn how to tackle issues like this responsibly, and in Ireland today, by attaching underage drinking with such soical stigma we are not giving people, espeically teenagers, the appropriate tools to do so.

And as for "People say they drink to have a good time", yes, they may use it to *enhance* their good time, but that doesn't mean that they need it to have a good time. (Logical progression is something which you should look into.)

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

Drinking at CTYI, what the hell are you people doing? You're quite possibly going to forget what could be some of the best times of your life. Drinking just ruins the whole thing. You get in trouble, you get kicked out, you egret it then. But it's all your own fault. Arent you forgetting that it's actually illegal for you all to drink? You'll end up having a far better time actually knowing what you're doing, and remembering. You'll have a much better time not having to hide anything. God forbid, you might just learn that drinking isnt everything.

Are you assuming that everyone who drinks thinks that it is "everying"? Now aoibheann, on countless occasions, what have we said about sterotyping?
If you don't want to drink Aoibheann, fair dues, don't. But let people make their own decisions. And yes, they may make mistakes, however they are theirs to make, and the only way (esp. in our society) that they are going to learn is through these mistakes. You don't foget everything when you take *some* alcohol Aoibheann, it takes alot to get that drunk. for gods sake, we don't need to run away and hide from everything. And alot of the time when people say that they can't remember anything, they are infact exaggerating! Did you ever consider that?


Drinking in CTYI however, is against the rules. These people are running their own risk, and its their choice, so let them. But please, don't tell them they are going to forget the best time of their life. If you're going to disuade someone from drinking, atleast be reasonable and stop using sensationalist arguements. The fact that you may get sent home is a bigger threat.

LiamD

Yeah Aoibheann you're kinda taking it to the extreme there.Many people can enjoy a few drinks without getting drunk.Personally I think too many drinks leads to a bad night, not a good one.So what it costs money?Chocolate costs money, it's not necessary for life but I'm gonna go ahead and guess you eat it anyway.That's such a stupid argument you have there.

Re. liver, not many people drink that much to do damage to your liver and even if someone did drink excessively once or twice, your liver has a great ability to repair itself.

Drink is not necessary to enjoy yourself, I agree but I would compare a trip to the pub/club like a trip to the cinema.You don't need these other things to enjoy yourself but why do yuo do them?Because they are enjoyable.And what do you mean by there's so much more to life than getting drunk?You sound like a nun.I doubt anyone here's life is devoted to getting drunk.Drinking/getting drunk is just one activity out of a vast range of activities you can do.I think the word you're looking for is moderation.

Why do you think drinkiers think drinking is everything?You're only talking about the majority of the population here Aoibheann, I'm sure you can generalise them all because your just *that* smart.How do you know people will have a better time without drink?It's completely in the person's own hands what type of time they have.It always amazes me that people like you who want to be seen to take a stand will criticise something having only tried it once or twice, or never at all.Open your eyes!

incredula pert

LiamD wrote:

And what do you mean by there's so much more to life than getting drunk?You sound like a nun.I doubt anyone here's life is devoted to getting drunk.Drinking/getting drunk is just one activity out of a vast range of activities you can do.I think the word you're looking for is moderation.
!

haha..*claps*

nosmo

Basically, I would feel uneasy with people drinking at my session. I know people can do whatever they want in the broader scale of things, but odds are 95% or more of the drinkers aren't going to be having a beer and socialising.
One of the main pulls of CTYI at the time for me was that it's a safe place (yes, yes, I know the setting contradicts that), an enclosed environment of the students and staff. I'm aware that's possibly a rather silly thing to say, but that's me. Having alcohol present isn't really going to contribute to that.
Another part of it is just the pathetic nature of it. I remember hearing someone say that they had an outside source who was getting them a naggin or something and that they intended to drink it in their room, alone (not in a trying to be a lonely drunk way, more a I'm Hip Lookit way). There's a great idea.
To bring back a point that's been discussed a thousand times, People at CTYI are underage. I'm aware most of those who drink start before they're legal, but nevertheless. It is always the case that there are people who are looked up to by others, and the usual thing happens in this situation.

and as a final point, if you DO drink, please PLEASE don't get caught. If you do, you deserve it fully. Try and control yourself. A bit. I have great memories of someone at sess1 2003 who was trying oh so hard to be cool throughout the session and then ended up rather drunk at one of the discos and he was a wreck.

Don't get me wrong, I loves my alcohol. But I really don't think CTYI is the place for it

nosmo

Raphael wrote:

Wrong Liam. Plunky is talking about the way that drinking didn't used to happen at CTYI. Everyone knows it happens now, a few people are expelled as a result. However, last time the discussion was to the tune of "Lads, I was so twisted at CTYI, omglol." Or, in your words

...etc...

That's lower than my barometer. Quoting IMs on public message boards is really not cool.

halenger

ColHol wrote:

Good for you Aoibheann! Neither do i, ive gone to the pub several times and enjoyed myself without drinking, ive also gone a few times and had a few drinks and not had fun. At the end of the day life is what you make of it, alcohol isnt a dead cert for a savage night, and nobody should be assuming that. Likewise, drinking alcohol doesnt exactly mean your gonna get langers, puke, forget everything, wake up in a ditch. That sorta thing doesnt just *happen*.

This applies to a number of the replies...

That sort of thing very much does happen. And people do die because of it. Am I talking crap? No. A person the year ahead of me died because he fell asleep in a ditch because he was incredibly drunk and was kicked out of an event - it was a cold and very rainy night. My point is is that it happens. Falling asleep in ditches etc is common enough too. A friend of mine was dropped home after getting quite drunk and he fell asleep on his front door step. Sue has told me that a number of work friends of hers admit to sleeping in a ditch/door step/somewhere because they were too drunk to get home/remember where home was.

Drinking to get drunk - it may not be common to you but you've not yet reached college, so I'll excuse that. It is incredibly common in college to hear the phrase "lets get drunk" and yes, they do mean it. College has a week devoted to drink sure - Rag Week in case you've not heard of it.

I know people don't always drink to get drunk. Of course this is going to happen. Just as people will drink themselves stupid and others will drink nothing at all. People are different, doesn't even need to be stated.


And people, bit of cop on please. You can comment all you like (within reason) on what someone says but bear in mind they're entitled to their opinions. There's no need to start labling people who don't think the same way as you. So, keep the comments about the post, not the person.

Gonna have to split this off into another thread when I get a chance. Don't make me close it up and ban people. Be sensible.

halenger

ColHol wrote:

Aoibheann, you have completely written off alcohol and cast it to the "bad" section of your brain. You cant understand why anyone would want to drink, but yet you've never drank before in your life. Take these two statements:
I have never been to CTYI because it is ****
I have never drank alcohol because i will have a bad time
Im not encouraging anyone to go out and get locked, but a mature, openminded view on the subject would be nice. Not this "alcohol is bad mmk". Fair enough, if thats what you think then fine, but its just not a very open minded view.

That is a dreadful, dreadful comparrison. Shockingly bad, sickeningly so in fact. CTYI is not bad for your health/wont kill brain cells/wont x,y,z -> infinity.

Open minded? "Oh God I've never drank alcohol. I should try some because I'm not open minded" Aoibheann never ever, that I saw, said that she doesn't drink because she thinks she "will have a bad time". You clearly don't get why people don't drink. I don't know if you smoke or do drugs (that's your business) but if you don't do one, or either, try ask yourself why you don't.
I don't drink because a) I don't approve of it (personal opinion which I'm entitled to) b) I have a habit of becoming addicted to things and I do not trust myself c) I wake up with bad enough headaches as it is, I don't need to learn what I hangover feels like (don't bother commenting on this) d) I like to keep as many brain cells as I can. I work with computers all day etc - I lose enough of them from CRT radiation e) I like to remember my nights out f) I like my inhibitions thanks.
I don't smoke because a) I can't stand the smoke b) I don't like the idea (again) c) the smell is dreadful d) I'd like to improve my chances of living a longer life e) I've seen what it can do to people
Most of the above apply to why I don't do drugs either.

Now lets get something clear. Alcohol is bad and is unhealthy. To my knowledge noone has ever died from an overdose of CTYI or anything directly related to CTYI.

I'm sure Aoibheann can see why some people do drink. If not, she'll see soon enough in her life. I do understand why some people do it but the reasons are often the worst reasons to turn to alcohol - break-up, death and so on. And the occasional drink isn't really a problem either. I may not approve of it but they're entitled to do what they want with themselves. What I really do disapprove of and do not understand is people who drink to get drunk. That's where my main qualm with alcohol lies (again the above exceptions make it more understandable to an extent. "I need the pain to go away" etc). It's quite possible I will drink sometime in my life but it wont be because I feel the need to loosen up or other. It'd take something incredibly bad and even that may not drive me to it, I'm just saying it's possible.

halenger

halenger wrote:

Now lets get something clear. Alcohol is bad and is unhealthy.

That's a lie.
Just plain wrong.

Alcohol consumption to an extreme level is unhealthy. Same can be said of Milk, Coke and orange juice.

Alcohol in Moderation is actually good for you! There's medical studies proving this! A glass of wine a day etc etc.

So i'd appreciate if you took back that statement.

Barry Aldwell

Deleted User wrote:

Alcohol consumption to an extreme level is unhealthy. Same can be said of Milk, Coke and orange juice.

I've never heard of milk, coke or orange juice poisoning*, have you?

*Except in the obvious case of being allergic to the substance in question

Deleted User wrote:

Alcohol in Moderation is actually good for you! There's medical studies proving this! A glass of wine a day etc etc.

Quote me one of these fabled medical studies. One which hasn't been denounced as quackery