More AH madness

Repli

Just thought I'd bring this to the attention of the mods
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269372 - GAA
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269567 - GAA
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269607 - Big Brother
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269443 - Films

Trojan

I'll move the threads.

Repli, I've moved your thread to the Feedback forum to make it publically viewable. We (the AH mods) are catching a lot of flak from users regards being too tough on AH posters.

Thanks,
Al.

Sarky

For what it's worth, I'm glad you're being tougher on people. There's been a horrific amount of crap popping up there lately.

Trojan

Users banned from AH. Ban lengths dependent on register date.

The General

Repli wrote:

Just thought I'd bring this to the attention of the mods
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269372 - GAA
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269567 - GAA
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269607 - Big Brother
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269443 - Films

oh my god the madness :rolleyes:


just to point out fellas boards has so many parts to it that everything in after hours could possibly be posted somewhere else instead, i think you guys have to ease up a bit on after hours, just my opinion

zAbbo

I gave up reading AH around a year ago, the main page was taken up with either reposted stuff, or incorrect posts.

Good to see things are getting back on track.

Around 2-3 years ago it was easily the best forum on boards

The General

bazH wrote:

I gave up reading AH around a year ago, the main page was taken up with either reposted stuff, or incorrect posts.

Good to see things are getting back on track.

Around 2-3 years ago it was easily the best forum on boards

ye the threads were good but there was not half as many people around so it took ages for replys/posts

I think its much better at the mo, its simple "Don't Read What You Don't Want To"

zAbbo

The General wrote:

ye the threads were good but there was not half as many people around so it took ages for replys/posts

I think its much better at the mo, its simple "Don't Read What You Don't Want To"

I'm talking about roughly 2 years before your join date, maybe its just rose tinted glasses, but the standard overall was much higher, that said there has been a massive influx of newbies in the last 12-18months.

Trojan

Actually it's even simpler than that, TG. "Follow the charter, or p!ss off".

Tar.Aldarion

Trojan wrote:

Users banned from AH. Ban lengths dependent on register date.

should be on how severely off topic it was
or amount of post and bans ratio...
...wonders if there is a ban count...

The General

bazH wrote:

I'm talking about roughly 2 years before your join date, maybe its just rose tinted glasses, but the standard overall was much higher, that said there has been a massive influx of newbies in the last 12-18months.

I used boards a while before my join date i didnt sign up straight away for some reason, but back then it was good but there wasnt many people around

ALSO TROJAN, HALF THE REASON WHY BOARDS IS GETTING **** THESE DAYS IS THAT ALL THE OLD TIMERS LIKE YOURSELF SEEM TO TALK TO NEWER MEMBERS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND IMO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT :mad:

passive

piss off...

(edit: and, speaking as a relatively new poster myself, the reason it may at times seem "****" is the huge amount of morons who spout crap, not because of the moderation which is efficient, just and quite often amusing. But i fear i must concede to your point of view BECAUSE YOU EXPRESSED IT IN SUCH A LARGE WAY)

The General

passive wrote:

piss off...

see this should be banned, not people posting stuff in the wrong forums

Will this person be banned?

Asok

What would jesus do?

passive

I weighed the risks and made my decision... *holds head high*

Nukem

@ The General - ha ha ha ha
Been here not even a year and all the old timers have been spot on the whole time.Rarely come across a problem with any of them and when there is a prob its minor.

Nukem

qz

The General wrote:

ALSO TROJAN, HALF THE REASON WHY BOARDS IS GETTING **** THESE DAYS IS THAT ALL THE OLD TIMERS LIKE YOURSELF SEEM TO TALK TO NEWER MEMBERS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND IMO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT :mad:

But surely it's up to the newbies who post their crap to have a bit of common sense. I know that boards is ginormous to those who don't know their way around, but you'd think they'd just use their brains and look at the top of the page and try find the most suitable forum to post in. But, apparently, this doesn't happen. So a p!ss off is in order.

Tar.Aldarion

jesus for mod?
even that would get a hell of a lotta arguement

Gordon

The General, practically every post of yours makes me think that you are a previously banned user that has decided to come back and poke your finger at boards mods while seemingly wishing to be seen doing so.

You have stated your opinion, there is no point in ramming it down our throats.

On the subject of "don't read what you don't want to": This rule does not apply generally. Such anarchy that can ensue from such a statement is not something that boards needs.

qz

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2931837

This is the kinda crap that goes on!

BuffyBot

SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT

Nope, but some times it's merited.

ecksor

The General wrote:

ALSO TROJAN, HALF THE REASON WHY BOARDS IS GETTING **** THESE DAYS IS THAT ALL THE OLD TIMERS LIKE YOURSELF SEEM TO TALK TO NEWER MEMBERS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND IMO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT :mad:

No, but if you can't follow the charter then that's what you should do.

Don't post in size 4 again. You're one post away from a ban.

quarryman

so he can't make any more posts?

Matthewthebig

The General: You need to shut up. Seriously. You and I and most other people on this site, have absolutely no sway on this site. We are users, this a free service. If you don't like it piss off, seriously. I enjoy this site. In fact i spend too much time here. That is beside the point though.

Go back to TeenIreland.

That is all

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ecksor wrote:

No, but if you can't follow the charter then that's what you should do.

Don't post in size 4 again. You're one post away from a ban.

I ecksor

You just can't help but love the crystal clarity of his posts to be honest.

Lump

Incidentally that porn link still there, in the Ex-girlfriend thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269540

John

WhiteWashMan

The General wrote:

see this should be banned, not people posting stuff in the wrong forums

Will this person be banned?

i know this is probably something that many people would like to say to you but are too polite.
i on the other hand have never won an award for being polite or nice.


but for the record, i think youre a cúnt

seamus

Lump wrote:

Incidentally that porn link still there, in the Ex-girlfriend thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=269540

John

Gone now, guy banned.

bonzai bob

WhiteWashMan wrote:

but for the record, i think youre a cúnt

I wonder if WWM will be banned for this personal abuse? Not likely thouigh is it, of course he'd be banned in a second if he was a 'noob'.

ecksor wrote:

Don't post in size 4 again. You're one post away from a ban.

Yet The General is threatened with a ban? for what? because you don't agree with him? what a bunch of bull****.

And for the record, if you don't want people posting bigger sized writing then don't make it widely available mmmk?

seamus

bonzai bob wrote:

I wonder if WWM will be banned for this personal abuse? Not likely thouigh is it, of course he'd be banned in a second if he was a 'noob'.

No, the subtlety is lost on a lot of people. If you read his post again, you will see the purpose of the insult. Is it called for? Perhaps. Is it allowed? Kind of. This is feedback, different rules apply here. If the situation was reversed, and The General had posted that exact thing at WWM, he wouldn't have been banned either. WWM is big enough to look after himself.

Are there double standards? To a degree. WWM has proven himself a helpful, useful poster. I (and many others) enjoy his participation. He's a positive influence on the community. A newbie on the other hand, has to earn the community's respect. Coming on guns blazing and abusing people would not be the ideal way to start, and it's a sure fire way of getting yourself recognised as a troublemaker. And guess what? 99 times out of 100, those who are troublemakers from the start end up getting banned. Surprise that.

That's not to say that I wouldn't give WWM a ban from feedback if he continued giving abuse to someone. But he won't.

Yet The General is threatened with a ban? for what? because you don't agree with him? what a bunch of bull****.

No, because his manner of posting served no purpose but to be an irritant. Just like you have just done. Just because something is available, doesn't mean you can use it whenever you want. Do you whip out your lad and masturbate furiously in the middle of the street? Why not? After all, it's widely available.

Scruff

just a question: when a newbie is creating their profile is there any kind of in your face notice telling them to read each forum's charter before posting? If not me thinks there should be.

That said i havent read the chater on most of the places i've posted...

bonzai bob

seamus wrote:

No, the subtlety is lost on a lot of people. If you read his post again, you will see the purpose of the insult. Is it called for? Perhaps. Is it allowed? Kind of. This is feedback, different rules apply here. If the situation was reversed, and The General had posted that exact thing at WWM, he wouldn't have been banned either. WWM is big enough to look after himself..

I don't think subtlety comes into the equation, it's simple black and white, you either do or don't, in this case WWM DID abuse The General, which is apparently, SHOCK HORROR!!, against the rules.

seamus wrote:

Are there double standards? To a degree.

I think you'll find the answer is Yes.

seamus wrote:

WWM has proven himself a helpful, useful poster. I (and many others) enjoy his participation. He's a positive influence on the community. A newbie on the other hand, has to earn the community's respect. Coming on guns blazing and abusing people would not be the ideal way to start, and it's a sure fire way of getting yourself recognised as a troublemaker. And guess what? 99 times out of 100, those who are troublemakers from the start end up getting banned. Surprise that.

So if Bill Gates turned out to be a kiddy lover, should we go easy on him because he doesn some good, gives money to charity?

I don't think The General came out guns a blazing, all he did was express his opinion. Then of course everyone jumped on their high horse, here are his 4, yes, only FOUR posts on this thread.

oh my god the madness


just to point out fellas boards has so many parts to it that everything in after hours could possibly be posted somewhere else instead, i think you guys have to ease up a bit on after hours, just my opinion

ye the threads were good but there was not half as many people around so it took ages for replys/posts

I think its much better at the mo, its simple "Don't Read What You Don't Want To"

I used boards a while before my join date i didnt sign up straight away for some reason, but back then it was good but there wasnt many people around

ALSO TROJAN, HALF THE REASON WHY BOARDS IS GETTING **** THESE DAYS IS THAT ALL THE OLD TIMERS LIKE YOURSELF SEEM TO TALK TO NEWER MEMBERS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND IMO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT

see this should be banned, not people posting stuff in the wrong forums

Will this person be banned?

Do you really think all this warranted being called a '****'?

seamus

bonzai bob wrote:

I don't think subtlety comes into the equation, it's simple black and white, you either do or don't, in this case WWM DID abuse The General, which is apparently, SHOCK HORROR!!, against the rules.

Really? Where?
As you'll find, it's not always black and white. Take the other thread you replied to - Karl Hungus did in fact abuse someone to a degree, but he wasn't and shouldn't be banned.

So if Bill Gates turned out to be a kiddy lover, should we go easy on him because he doesn some good, gives money to charity?

It should certainly be taken into consideration in this completely fictional situation. Believe it or not, people can do wrong things and still be nice people.

Do you really think all this warranted being called a '****'?

Perhaps he was basing his opinion on more than the 4 posts in this thread. Or perhaps it's not his opinion at all, and he said that purely to get a rise out of him and you, and the rest of the righteous indignation brigade?

petes

I was banned from after hours for calling someone a knacker. I dont usually post in this manor but I had the hangover from hell. But wwm didnt get banned from feedback for calling someone a c unt. No matter what context it was in it still constitutes as personal abuse. And that is double standards and not just to a certain degree.

seamus

petes wrote:

And that is double standards and not just to a certain degree.

As I pointed out already, the rules on After Hours and the rules on Feedback are different regarding personal abuse.

kaimera

the rules differ regarding flaming is what I gather from the sticky above but isn't 'personal_abuse' against the overall boards.ie rules ?

Why should the vast majority of main fora have it but not feedback? [I understand private_fora will differ]

seamus

kaimera wrote:

the rules differ regarding flaming is what I gather from the sticky above but isn't 'personal_abuse' against the overall boards.ie rules ?

Why should the vast majority of main fora have it but not feedback? [I understand private_fora will differ]

Flaming and personal abuse are more-or-less the same thing imo
Perhaps the admins haven't seen WWM's post yet?
(Yes, I could ban him, but as I already outlined, I don't think it's worthy, and I don't have the final call here).

kaimera

okey dokey.

Wasn't sure SMods didn't have said Final_Call on feedback.

I was just wondering anyway Shay.

fade2black

I admire and respect your attempt to protect other mods Seamus that's two different mods this morning you're defending for abusing other users. The rules are there and the mods, given there position of "authority" should be setting an example rather than getting away with it just cause you think they're generally nice people. I have nothing against you or whitewashman, in fact my opinion would be much to the contrary but rules are rules.

seamus

fade2black wrote:

I admire and respect your attempt to protect other mods Seamus that's two different mods this morning you're defending for abusing other users. The rules are there and the mods, given there position of "authority" should be setting an example rather than getting away with it just cause you think they're generally nice people. I have nothing against you or whitewashman, in fact my opinion would be much to the contrary but rules are rules.

It's nothing to do with protecting fellow mods really, I'm trying to prevent witchunting. If WWM had said that on After Hours, I would have banned him, and he would have PMed me calling me a bitch, but all in good jest.

Actually, the issue here is involvement. By and large, Smods won't get involved in day-to-day running tasks on a board unless they've been asked. I would consider flaming on a forum a day-to-day task, something which should be left up to the moderator of the board. If a single user is consistently abusing others or causing hassle, then we'll step in. It's all about not stepping on toes.

As I say, the final call here belongs to the admins though. I'm reluctant to dish out much justice on Feedback even though I could, becuase this is where all users should be equal - Smods, Cmods and Mods included.

Trojan

The General wrote:

TROJAN, HALF THE REASON WHY BOARDS IS GETTING **** THESE DAYS IS THAT ALL THE OLD TIMERS LIKE YOURSELF SEEM TO TALK TO NEWER MEMBERS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND IMO IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "PISS OFF" ISN@T REALLY CIVILISED NOW IS IT

The large font, caps and bold really make this post seem completely childish. Oh, wait, and the content. Yes, forgot about that.

Telling people to p!ss off is "not civilised"? Yes, this might be true, although it does depend on your definition of "civilised".

However, as Ecksor has already pointed out, I am not telling all and sundry to p!ss off. I;m telling those idiots who do not have the common decency to follow some basic directions, like reading something called "READ THIS FIRST".

So, if you can't be bothered following the quite liberal rules, then p!ss off and find another bulletin board to post on.