List of Appliances - Good Bad & Ugly

yop

Lads

Just confirming our list of appliances for the hoose and was wondering what people thought of different appliances makes?


To start with

Whirlpool
Candy
Creda
Powerpoint
Indesit
Cata (I know!!)

Fredser

Hi Yop

I know it's not listed in your post but don't buy a hotpoint washing machine (The bearing went in my mid-range hotpoint washing machine after only 3 years of LIGHT use - 400 Irish pounds gone in a quickwash! )

This waste of space now has pride of place in my back garden awaiting its final (costly) journey to the recycle facility.

Now I have a Bosch Machine .... Oh Bosch how wonderful you are !!

F

Drag00n79

Bought a new house three years ago. Most of the kitchen stuff is Zanussi. Seems fine so far.

rooferPete

Hi Yop,

A lot of those "Brand Names" are just that names, they are made by the same people and have small differences on the face panels with different badges.

They appear to be made with the throw away society in mind, I had what looked like a brand new washing machine that was dumped because it worked out only slightly dearer to buy a new one than replace the motor.

I do not buy washing machines and "She Who Must Be Obeyed" does not buy my power tools her choice by recommendation did surprise me a little, she bought a Beko which had the most economical rating and so far she is very pleased with her purchase.

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Spocker

rooferPete wrote:

A lot of those "Brand Names" are just that names, they are made by the same people and have small differences on the face panels with different badges.

Have to disagree with you there Pete, I used to work for Electrolux who do own many brands but I can assure you they are all different. Zanussi's are made in Italy, Electroux's are made in Sweden, AEG in Germany and so on .... (I had the privilige (torture?? :rolleyes: ) of travelling to many of the factories....)

Anyways back to the thread...

I've just finished my own place and went with Liebherr for the fridge (because it was the most efficent one I could find - bear in mind it's always on), Electrolux for the cooker (no specific reason other than it looks nice), Zanussi for the dishwasher cause it was efficent again, Zanussi for the gas hob (gas is gas) and Zanussi for the washing machine (again a high efficency rating). Didn't buy a dryer cause those things eat electricity - use a clothesline instead (all that fine Mayo wind ).

At the end of the day you do get what you pay for and in my opinion it's worth spending the extra few bob on good stuff if it'll last that little bit longer

tabatha

well i can tell u this about the lesser known names. a neighbour of mines tv went on fire while they were watching it recently. they had it two years. when the fire bridgade came and put the fire out they said that they have a real problem with names such as beko and such like (cant think of what names he said). he said that the majority of tv's that go on fire are what he called "powercity specials". there the ones putting out fires so i think i would believe them!

also, i know a few friends that have hotpoint washing machines and have had nothing but trouble with them. i think its the esb who publish a report every year about the best appliance and best make.

samo

Can second what Tabitha's saying there, have gone through about 2 Hotpoint washing machines and 1 servis one in the last 7 years...they were all washer/dryers though which when I checked into it are meant to be more unreliable. Also they wouldnt dry a hanky and are fairly usless compared to a second seperate dryer.

Unfortuantely my choice was limited to hotpoint in those instances due to the ESB 12 months intrest free credit . Have a bosch washing machine now - so far so good.

A friend who got a Mitsibishi Black + Diamond TV off power city and had a similar problem as above, walked into the sitting room where her 3 year old was watching pingu to hear it crackling and checked the back of the TV to see it was actually sparking so was promptly dumped.

Spocker

samo wrote:

they were all washer/dryers though which when I checked into it are meant to be more unreliable.

I agree - if you're going to buy a dryer at least buy a seperate one, the combined types are useless

prospect

Fridge & Freezer - Go for efficiency, as they are always on. Not much can go wrong with them.
Cooker & Hob - Neff
Dishwasher & Washing machine & Dryer - Bosch

yop

Thanks lads, very informative, good to see what is good and what to avoid!! Keep em coming

Macy

I'll third that about the combined washer dryers - go seperate if you possible can. Also condenser dryers in general aren't as efficient (as in how long to dry clothes) as vented ones.

To early to tell on the latest purchases reliability wise...

Hotpoint Cooker (and gas hob) and Dishwasher (came with kitchen, so limited choice). Seem fine so far, although I'm a bit disappointed with the capacity of the integrated dishwasher compared to stand alone one's I've used in the past. Internal height seems smaller - although maybe just the brand

LG American Fridge very happy with so far - A rated, but if you can go more it makes sense.

Zanuissi washing machine, AA rated. Seems fine too, although one thing I noticed from the manual (post purchase) is that it only hot fills at all above 40 degrees. Seems a bit silly to me, and makes you wonder about the rating tbh. But has 30 degree washes, quick wash etc

Tumble Dryer is a cheap one from Power City that we've had for years. Can't remember the name, could be Thor, but basically the cheapest full load one. Not a great rating, but does what it's supposed to do efficiently time wise so is good enough for the moment...

kenmc

I'd stay away from whirlpool washing machines too - we've had several replacements/service calls in the last 4-5 years. heap of sh1t.

MorningStar

Which did a survey on many houshold machines and the results were a little bit of a surprise. Dyson not the best vacum etc...

http://trial.which.co.uk/house_and_home.php?action=2099

Effectively the top brand names came out as the bottom. It may be a bit misleding as it was a survey and not testing.

db

Got wahing machine and dryer recently - both Hoover. We picked those because of the extra capacity of 7.5kg (and got a free bike with the washing machine). Happy with both so far and the extra capacity comes in handy for washing duvets etc).

peasant

Don't actually know if you can get this in Ireland ...but if you come across a brand called "Gorenje" ...do give it a good look.

These machines are made in Slovenia to a very high standard at a good price.

Bought my washing machine 14 years ago ... it has moved house (and country) more than five times now and still washes perfectly without ever even having seen a service guy.
I went for an "expensive" model that time (all stainless steel inside) and it still came cheaper than the cheapest model from an expensive brand ...A ratings and all ...

And no, I don't work for them ...
http://www.gorenjegroup.com/en/householdappliances

parsi

Bosch dishwasher,
Ariston washing machine (Ariston and on and on..)
Bosch fridge
De Dietrich ceramic hob /oven - had to replace the oven knobs twice free of charge.
Tefal kettle - had it 8 years only changed when we got a present of an Alessi kettle.

Potterton Gas boiler - piece of rubbish...

GreeBo

On the advice of my mother its been Bosch all the way for my new house.
That is of course, assuming you cant afford to kit out your house in Miele!

delly

I have an Indesit dishwasher and combo washer/dryer which are nearly three years old at this stage. Haven't had a problem with them at all, and i would recommend them.

Despite what other people have said about washer/dryer's, i find mine works fine for both tasks.

Lex Luthor

get the oven & hob that suits your style of kitchen.
Fridge is a personal choice...again you might want to match it with your kitchen.
As for wash machine....I bought a Beko recently for €250.
Brand names on wash machines, my ar5e. If it lasts 5yrs then it was only €250. Your budget will really dictate what you want in the end.

Stoner

I agree with prospect
Bosch Neff etc.
I think Beko are dirt I've bought em before and never again , (their TVS are ok )

Plus bosch do a condenser dryer you can get a kit to mount the dryer ontop of the bosch washing machine, then you get a kit to drain the dryer into the extract of the washer , so you can put it in an unvented room, but never have to bother to empty the machine.

yop

Anyone experience with Baumatic?

lensman

married for 25yrs and had many brands of white goods,
for reliability and value for money
washing machines
1st Bosch.
2nd Zanussi

Ogham

Had a Siemens Tumble drier that only lasted about 13 months (just after the guarantee ran out)
Bosh Washing machine lasted 6 or 7 years (we left it behind when we moved to Ireland) Because of that we are gong Bosch for Fridge / Dishwasher/ Washing Machine and Tumble Drier (Condenser)
Current rented house has Candy Washing machine and it's needed repairs twice - repair man said 8o% of his calls are Candy - so avoid them.

Look for quiter dishwashers - the one in this rented house is like a train passing !! Cheap usally = noisy and inefficient.
Where are you getting them? The big places - Currys etc have offers that sound good but some of the smaller shops can be as cheap and will knock off money for bulk buys.

yop

Currys definately do not appeal to me, something about them that does not comfort me when I head in to spend the guts of 2 or 3k on appliances!!!

N17, place in Tuam I cannot think of the name of, Brodericks or Sheridans in Castlebar.

What we are looking at is getting the kitchen and all Baumatic appliances from the UK for just over 12k Euro delivered, which compared to what i have seen for the exact same kitchen and appliances is excellent.

Johnny Jukebox

My 3 year old whirlpool has just died with bearing failure. Repair guy says its cheaper to buy a new one.

It definitely won't be whirlpool ever again, POS.

Alun

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

My 3 year old whirlpool has just died with bearing failure. Repair guy says its cheaper to buy a new one.

It definitely won't be whirlpool ever again, POS.

Whirlpool offer an 8 year parts guarantee in Ireland in addition to the standard 12 months guarantee. You still have to pay for labour, but that's a lot better than many manufacturers offer.

In any case, unless you have extensive experience of other makes, I'd say that basing your remark that Whirlpool are a POS on a sample of exactly one, is a little hasty.

Lex Luthor

Fredser wrote:

Hi Yop

I know it's not listed in your post but don't buy a hotpoint washing machine (The bearing went in my mid-range hotpoint washing machine after only 3 years of LIGHT use - 400 Irish pounds gone in a quickwash! )

Fredser, this is a known fault with the older range of Hotpoint machines...I bought one in 96 and got about 7yrs use before the bearing went aswell. It works out cheaper to buy a new one...so what did we buy...another Hotpoint...all because she wanted one to match the colour & style of teh freezer that was standing beside it.. :rolleyes:

Stay away from combo washer/dryers

Mother swears by the Zanussi machine she has

I recently bought a Bru Wash machine for a buy-2-let. Looked like the Beko in the shop next door but was €20 cheaper. I wonder how long it will last.

lomb

Ogham wrote:

Look for quiter dishwashers - the one in this rented house is like a train passing !! Cheap usally = noisy and inefficient.
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exception being boschs cheapest dishwasher, its virtually silent and washes quickly and efficiently. very7 impressed with it tbh.

Johnny Jukebox

Alun wrote:

Whirlpool offer an 8 year parts guarantee in Ireland in addition to the standard 12 months guarantee. You still have to pay for labour, but that's a lot better than many manufacturers offer.

In any case, unless you have extensive experience of other makes, I'd say that basing your remark that Whirlpool are a POS on a sample of exactly one, is a little hasty.

From my point of view thats largely irrelevant. To have a bearing failure after 3 years of light use (~ once a week) is crap. To be then quoted 200 yoyo (approximately 50% of the original purchase price) for replacement is total crap. My previous washing machine lasted for 10 years without issue.

As a comparison, I recently had an authorised dealer replace all the bearings on the rear suspension of my mountain bike - cost was 100 yoyo, against a 2000 yoyo bike purchase price. Thats reasonable maintenance cost.

I'm familar with bearings and most things mechanical, and know crap and ripoff when I see it.

Beta2

We've had a Zanussi dryer for 23 years! Its moved house and country several times, spent a year in the garden as house was being built and its still going strong!

In fairness its really started to show its age, handle broke off door and its covered in rust, but after 23 years it owes us nothing.

Bought a cheap washing machine from power city, it lasted 3 years, so then bought an expensive whirlpool machine, it lasted 2 years. They don't build them to last anymore.

Currently looking to buy a new washing machine, dryer and American style fridge, would shops like currys, DID etc. be willing to do a deal if all 3 bought together?

michaelanthony

Whirlpool appliances are absolute cack build quality - nothing lasts fro more than 2 years without falling apart. Neff appliances are really high quality - they last forever and you get no trouble with them whatsoever.

Alun

I think that's it, i.e. that appliances in general are not being made to last any more not limited to any make in particular. We had an AEG washing machine that lasted close to 18 years without a single repair, and so when we decided to get a new one we went for AEG too. After three years the electronic control unit blew.

The internet being what it is you can find both horror stories and unlimited praise for virtually any make of anything you can imagine to conform your wildest preferences or prejudices.

harto

Mark Brinkely in The Housebuilder's Bible from the uk, publishes the results of a survey on the reliability of household appliances. Goes something like this:

Washing Machines
Most Reliable: Miele, Candy (believe it or not), Bosch, AEG, Tricity Bendix, Siemens, Zanussi

Average reliability: Indesit, Whirlpool, Creda, Electrolux, Servis, Hotpoint

Least Reliable: Ariston, Hoover


Tumble Dryers
Most Reliable: Crusader (not seen this one over here), Creda, Hotpoint, Servis, Electra, White Knight

Average reliability: AEG, Bosch, Zanussi, Miele

Least Reliable: Whirlpool, Hoover


Washer Dryers
Most Reliable: Bosch, Indesit, Zanussi

Average reliability: Zanussi

Least Reliable: Hoover, Hotpoint


Diswashers
Most Reliable: Neff, Bosch, Miele, Siemens, Tricity Bendix, Zanussi

Average reliability: Hoover, AEG, Hotpoint, Whirlpool, Ariston, Candy

Least Reliable: Hygena, Indesit


AndyH
http://www.helpmebuildandrenovate.com

regedit

We're moving into a new house in December so we are in look out for new appliances.
I have checked some prices in various shops and as far as I am concerned the following seem to be good:
Washing machine: LG (the one with a 7.5 kg drum and a silent engine).
Dishwasher has to be fitted one so I think we would like to go for a Bosch. The thing is we wouldnt like to go with the basic model (branded by them as Classix) while Maxxi or Logixx are file albeit somewhat expensive.
We are getting an amercan style fridge so no worries there.
The drier will be a Zanusi one (have a basic model for the past 3 years an no problems).
The cooker will most likely be Hotpoint or Zanusi.
I know Miele seem to make excellent appliances but the prices are sky high!

slave1

did a major job on the house 4 years ago and bought...

Fridge Freezer - Siemens, really happy with this
Dishwasher - Bosch, has become noisy last year or two but only goes on at night so not an issue for me
Wash Machine - Whirlpool, on at least once a day
Dryer - Whirpool

All bought in Currys - cheapest deal I could get

All working out fine and all get major use, no complaints, would buy same brand again based upon experience.

yop

What do ye think of that Samsung american fridge in the papers there for sale in Currys for 799 euro? Any good, waste of energy, waste of money?

loyatemu

we had all bosch in our old house - no problem with them at all, well designed and reliable

in the new house its a mix of different things - most notably the Electrolux dishwasher is very badly designed - can only fit a tiny amount of glasses and mugs in the top rack without having to jam them up against each other (with the consequent breakages and chips).

Dishwasher manufacturers in general seem to think everyone uses small cups and saucers and tiny bowls. None of them see to cater well for large mugs, tall glasses or large bowls.

Beta2

yop wrote:

What do ye think of that Samsung american fridge in the papers there for sale in Currys for 799 euro? Any good, waste of energy, waste of money?

I bought one! Getting it delivered Friday. I think pricewise its the best model out there by far. have been thinking of buying one for the last 6 months, ran out and bought it as soon as i saw the price, its about 400 eur cheaper than an equivalent model.

netwhizkid

There has been an Indesit Washer in my house since 1999 and the repair man has visited about 8 times since, It is fairly crappy and I'm looking to replace it as lately it has stopped spinning and the clother come out weighing a ton. I am wondering which brand are the most reliable ? from the guide shown earlier Miele seems to be good. Anyone have any experiences?

Eve1

You should check out the best buys on 'Which online', they rate all the different appliances. You can register for a free trial but word of warning remember to cancel your trial or they will start billing after your 2 months (or whatever it is) is up. Bosch, Siemens etc appear regularly.

Tobi2

Am thinking of the Samsung myself, have been looking for ages at it, and hoping to order the whole lot of kitchen stuff end of this week in local electrical store.
There is a new samsung model just out, v.similar to the one you refer to Yop, I think (is it the RS21 FCNS?). Shops are probably trying to clear this one to make way for the newer model. Asked guy in shop what was difference...not much only different finish/style. Don't know how true this is as have not done much homework since then.
It gets good ratings in WHICH as mentioned, so this is what swung it for me, as have relied on WHICH many times in past and they have never let me down.

Today, discovered the Miele are having a Sale in early Jan, again was advised that it is a "good" sale??? as in couple hundren Euros off here and there..
Anyone know anymore than this?
Got a deal on a Miele washing machine, exdisplay, and hoping to get Miele dishwasher and ?tumble dryer....
Shop where I will buy offered to take my order now and hold off on putting it through until Jan when I can get sale prices.
Is there a catch here?
Afaik, Miele dictate the prices on their brochures so they must pay stores commission or something...
Making assumptions here so if anyone any the wiser would love to hear.
This whole business fascinates me...Plus I am so excited and delighted to be finally buying these things.......As hubby said, this is my domain!

Great post btw, v.informative on hearing about all the different brands.
I was of the same impression as RooferPete, that most of the big names are also producing the lesser known brands, so you get much the same for a lot less. Not all companies I guess.
Same with cameras/pcs etc etc?

V.interesting.

Tobi

yop

Just an update, I ended up buying all our gear on Ebay with a company called secondtek.

Ended up with Baumatic and Smeg so happy out, will see if the "expensive" goods are all the are cracked up to be

GreeBo

My parents have a "Ford" 1/2 size fridge that as been running without a problem for the last 30 years.
You just dont get goods like that nowadays...

byte

Siemens current 1400 rpm washing machines come with a FULL 5 year warranty (parts and labour) and to me seems like a good choice. Unfortunately, it is rather pricey over €600.

Siemens is owned by Bosch, though not sure if the technology is the same.

apprentice

stay away from hotpoint. a load of rubbish. i would never buy hotpoint. you might as well throw away money.if its a choice between bosch and siemens, id go for bosch.your saving money but you are getting equally good quality.

deisemum

I have the samsung american style fridge freezer. I got it 15mths ago and am pleased with it.

I have tried several Whirlpool appliances over the years and would never get a whirlpool product again. When I went to get my current washing machine (Zanussi) the salesman said they no longer stock whirlpool because they had too many complaints about them.;

I was told by an engineer that Candy are not a good brand, it keeps him in employment. I've had a hotpoint washing machine and found it good but the drum got damaged when it was shipped from UK when we moved.

UpsideDown

apprentice wrote:

stay away from hotpoint. a load of rubbish. i would never buy hotpoint. you might as well throw away money.if its a choice between bosch and siemens, id go for bosch.your saving money but you are getting equally good quality.

Obviously a retail worker

tred

apprentice wrote:

stay away from hotpoint. a load of rubbish. i would never buy hotpoint. you might as well throw away money.if its a choice between bosch and siemens, id go for bosch.your saving money but you are getting equally good quality.

I agree....our hotpoint washing machine 1200 spin. has at this stage, a new motor, a new switch, and a new pump. also, its starting to noise again, so something else up with it. pile of dung!. the hotpoint dryer is working ok.

We got a siemems dishwasher..best purchase ever...5 years warranty....its a dream so far. its so quiet and it cleans very well.

whippet

i recently bought siemens everything (gas hob, oven, dishwasher, washer/dryer combo) .. including a very expensive dishwasher and so far I am delighted with everything about them, they were a bit pricy alright but a 5 yr guarentee gives some solice.

UpsideDown

Did ye buy these 5yr warrantees or did they come with the appliance. If they came with the appliance they are only a parts gaurantee and don't cover labour. It's the labour you pay most for. In saying that, i suppose these machines are less likely to give trouble in the first place.

whippet

the 5yr was standard, it only covers parts after year two. but beening honest if a company is prepared to give a 5yr warranty they are confident of the duarability of their product which would then give me purchasing confidence.