-!History!-

*MmmPie*

Hey I was just wondering what topics people are studying 4 and think'll come up. And are most of you definitely learning WW1, WW2, The Cold War etc, what parts if any are you not studying in the course or are you just learning everything?

PurpleFistMixer

Allegedly the third year course is the most important. And I prefer it to the rest, so I'll probably go over my Irish history, cold war, etcetera.

Btw, does anyone know if you're able to not learn one of the revolutions? I really hate the Irish revolution but I'd hate to get nailed on question five if I didn't learn it.

Fenny

Social change in the 20th Century wouldn't be as important as say, WWII or the Cold War. For me, I'll have a gander at saying the Reformation is pretty useful to learn.

Irishstabber

Think of it people...WW2 ended 60 years ago this summer
60 is a significant number...remember last year the 60th aniversary of D-Day...well that was a BIG even...so im guessin the 60th aniversary of the end of WW2 will be a reason to fill the paper with WW2 questions

Fortinbras'

Martin Luther is a dead cert!

Victor

Fenny wrote:

Social change in the 20th Century wouldn't be as important as say, WWII or the Cold War.

I wouldn't go ignoring it.

Alqua

Our teacher didn't even do Social Change in the 20th Century! She seemed to think it was too "bitty" a section. From the papers I've looked at though, it seems fairly easy to avoid the questions on it.

Irishstabber

History is easy anyway...even if I didnt study I'd get a B---Its just comes to me in the test....
The night before history in the mocks me and me mates stayed up playing monopoly until about 3 in the morning ...I got 1% short of an A

PurpleFistMixer

Social Change is quite largely just common sense, anyway. My history teacher kept going on about how important it is for people doing pass to know it, though.

Seems like an easy topic to write about if it came up in question 6, anyway.

Strokesa

Irishstabber wrote:

Think of it people...WW2 ended 60 years ago this summer
60 is a significant number...remember last year the 60th aniversary of D-Day...well that was a BIG even...so im guessin the 60th aniversary of the end of WW2 will be a reason to fill the paper with WW2 questions

I was thinking that too...I think it would be very wise to study WW2 everyone!
And about social change being really important for pass students...we had a substitute for the last few months of the year and she said that pass students didnt need to bother with social change at all. Im doing honours anyway but if it turns out that they need it, that teacher will most likely be hunted down and brutally killed...

Rozabeez

The rennaisance, Martin Luther, Monks, Micheal Collins and other war stuff.

Sweetness!

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

Btw, does anyone know if you're able to not learn one of the revolutions? I really hate the Irish revolution but I'd hate to get nailed on question five if I didn't learn it.

If you learn the American and French revolutions and the Reign of Terror you should be ok! I think knowing your Social Change would come in as a big help if your stuck on question 6 and it can be a tricky question still cause they could ask you a question on the change between 1945 and 1960 in Transport,Communication,Pastimes and Leisure and the role of women. Most people think it's an easy question and it's the one most people get wrong! Also learn D-Day and VE-Day they're gona be very tough on WW2

Fobia

I hate history, and as such don't plan to study anything for it....that's logic for ya.

*MmmPie*

I never bothered to learn International Relations in the 20th Century or Social Change. Do you think I'm takin a big risk by not learning in for the exam? I'm hoping to avoid it as 1.Only 2nd year work comes up on Q5 and 2.Its only one of the questions on Q6. and 3.If it comes up on the Docs or Pic questions the answer is usually given in the Pic or Document...I hope..

PurpleFistMixer

International Relations in the 20th Century and Social Change would both be separate questions on section 6, I think. I'm fairly sure it's happened before that they've taken up 2 questions.
I mean, if you know all of your other stuff inside out you could possibly leave them, but really, International Relations is almost certainly going to come up, and if you don't do it then you're just cutting down your options for the other questions.

modular

Heard on the radio that Communism in Russia is likely to come up this year. And the guy that said it seemed to know his stuff. Also, there isn't that much in it.

newgrange

I wouldn't listen to any 'experts' on the radio. There is probably one person in the country knows what qs are on the paper, and I doubt he/she goes on radio shows to talk about it. Communism is as likely as any other year.

The social change question is quite easy if you have done a project on an old person's life, but most schools do not do this, and just teach from the book. It can be very badly answered when people think they will wing it - I've seen answers on changes in transport in the 20th Cent. mentioning Stephenson's Rocket...umm.....

For History:
1. Answer the questions asked.
2. Answer the right number of questions.
3. Answer all sections you need to.
4. For the paragraph answers (revolutionary leader, painter etc.) write at least six good, clear, explained points on the topic/person). There is no need to write ridiculous amounts - once you get the maximum marks for that q, you cannot get any more.
5. Make sure if the q says to name the person you are writing about that you DO name him/her (that sounds silly but you would be amazed how many people do not).
6. Do not leave very early, even if you think you are finished. Sit and read over your script - you might spot a silly mistake. If you have time left over at the end, maybe do an extra q from one section - it will not lose you marks, and if by any chance you've made a hames of one of the others, unknown to you, you will pick up marks.

PurpleFistMixer

newgrange wrote:

4. For the paragraph answers (revolutionary leader, painter etc.) write at least six good, clear, explained points on the topic/person). There is no need to write ridiculous amounts - once you get the maximum marks for that q, you cannot get any more.

Do you mean the question 4 "People in History" section? I thought we needed 10 points...

Strokesa

*MmmPie* wrote:

I never bothered to learn International Relations in the 20th Century or Social Change. Do you think I'm takin a big risk by not learning in for the exam? I'm hoping to avoid it as 1.Only 2nd year work comes up on Q5 and 2.Its only one of the questions on Q6. and 3.If it comes up on the Docs or Pic questions the answer is usually given in the Pic or Document...I hope..

You really would need to know all the rest of the stuff inside out....so unless you do, then id say you should learn one of those topics. Social change would probably be easier at this point.

newgrange

6 will do you, but that is 6 well explained points, not just 'facts'.

10 sounds excessive to me, and I have never seen a paper where 10 points were needed in that section. Of course if you have 10, put down ten, but you will get the same marks (maximum) as you would have for 6, or sometimes 5.
I'm sure you will be fine.

I cannot say it enough times though, answer the q asked, and answer the correct number of qs.
(Really you would not believe how annoying it is to have a candidate just short of a pass, or an A, and you turn the page to find it blank).

Strokesa

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

Do you mean the question 4 "People in History" section? I thought we needed 10 points...

For question 4, we were told you need 8-10 points...thats where the accounts are worth 20marks isnt it? Cause I think you get 2 marks for each point, and you can get up to 4 marks for having a well written account, clear layout, minimum(mininim???) waffling, etc.

newgrange

In that case it would be 1.6 marks per point, with the 4 marks or so for overall.
Having 10 points is no problem, but do not get flustered if you cannot find 10 good points about a topic.I have never come across a paper needeing more than six points - check the old marking schemes.

Strokesa

Ok thanks, i didnt see your second post when i wrote that anyway!

*MmmPie*

Strokesa wrote:

You really would need to know all the rest of the stuff inside out....so unless you do, then id say you should learn one of those topics. Social change would probably be easier at this point.

I got 99% in my Pre history but I was just lucky that what I did study came up so hopefully there wont be too many War questions this time around...

Mysteryfish

whoever said that social change in 2oth century isn't important, they're wrong, because yes it's an easyish question but something along those lines comes up a lot and my history teacher told us to revise it. Don't get caught out they might throw in 1 or 2 questions into the paper and then because you didn't study it it means you can't choose the question.

*MmmPie*

Aye that's a good point. Better start learning my History, 3 years work in... *looks at watch* about 5 hours!! Not gonna happen...

Fenny

Mysteryfish wrote:

whoever said that social change in 2oth century isn't important, they're wrong, because yes it's an easyish question but something along those lines comes up a lot and my history teacher told us to revise it. Don't get caught out they might throw in 1 or 2 questions into the paper and then because you didn't study it it means you can't choose the question.

Nah, I didn't say it wasn't important, I said it probably wouldn't be as important as the Reformation or one of the things they generally ask in the "People in History" question. Social Change is pretty easy, because most of it is just general knowledge, so I won't be concentrating on it as much as other sections of the course. I had noticed it comes up a lot, though.

philologos

*MmmPie* wrote:

Hey I was just wondering what topics people are studying 4 and think'll come up. And are most of you definitely learning WW1, WW2, The Cold War etc, what parts if any are you not studying in the course or are you just learning everything?

ideally you should be studying the whole course instead of studying just these because the surprise Q can contain anything and anything can be found in the images and the documents

PurpleFistMixer

Well, what'd people think?

Quite a lot of Social History, I thought, since both of the Documents were social history, and it was in Q 6 as well.

Pretty straightforward, though. Q 5 with the Explorations was exactly what I thought was going to come up (was looking at past papers, and they seem to follow a bit of a pattern), although the 'write an account' bit at the end got a bit hairy for me and rambling occurred. All the while my pen was blobbing everywhere.

Almost forgot to do Q 5, actually. I did the paper in a really weird order... Q 6 first (did Irish and European 20th century stuff, yay 3rd year course), then pictures, then more Q 6, then short questions, then one of Q 4 and more short questions and.. well, whatever happened I was about to seal my answer booklet thinking everything was grand when I noticed about Question 5.

As should be pretty evident, I left like.. 45 minutes before the end. I felt like I should write another Q 4 People in History thing because my one about Washington wasn't great, but my hand was spasming oddly, and I'd had enough.

Quite glad the Cuban Missile Crisis and Economic War came up. Those were like... my little favourite account thingies to write. Although the Irish War of Independence would also have been quite nice.

Strokesa

I didnt like it at all!
What was the answer for the very first question in section 1? There was no information in the picture...I made up some **** about a ration coupon delivering man...they wanted to put him in the cupboard cos he had acccess to food. Hehe....So no marks for that.
I didnt know any of the accounts in the 1st part of Q4...i hated 1st year history so i decided not to learn any, and look what happened! I knew about 3 points about a knight so i did that one, and for most of the account i was saying that i had wanted to be a craftsman because it was my dream to be part of a guild...and half the account was about a craftsmans life....i wonder if you get marks for creativity? :rolleyes:
Overall i just wasnt happy with it. The reformation didnt come up, and thats the section i know best, and i really hadnt studied the right things. And i realllllllllllly wanted an A in history.

Daysha

You know in the picture question of the church window? Anyway, for the question about when did they arrive in derry i left it blank because i thought that was a part of the course which i didnt know but it wasnt till afterwards when my friend told me the answer was on the bottom of the picture! Did anyone else make that mistake?

*MmmPie*

Strokesa wrote:

I didnt like it at all!
What was the answer for the very first question in section 1? There was no information in the picture...I made up some **** about a ration coupon delivering man...they wanted to put him in the cupboard cos he had acccess to food. Hehe....So no marks for that.
I didnt know any of the accounts in the 1st part of Q4...i hated 1st year history so i decided not to learn any, and look what happened! I knew about 3 points about a knight so i did that one, and for most of the account i was saying that i had wanted to be a craftsman because it was my dream to be part of a guild...and half the account was about a craftsmans life....i wonder if you get marks for creativity? :rolleyes:
Overall i just wasnt happy with it. The reformation didnt come up, and thats the section i know best, and i really hadnt studied the right things. And i realllllllllllly wanted an A in history.

The answer was the Glimmer man was basically the guy during the Emergency who came around to people's houses to make sure they were sticking to their ration of gas and stuff. I wouldn't worry about it though it was only worth a couple of marks anyhoo.

Fobia

I made that mistake first time, wrote down "during the ulster plantations" then going back over the test I saw it

Unfortunately none of the people I had studied during lunch came up for the long answers (Christopher Columbus, Martin Luther) but hey, who cares unless you're doing history next year?

X-Man

:cool: That test was a ****in breeze...........

*MmmPie*

That History exam would've been sooooo easy and sooooo manageable. IF I had studied. *sighs*

Sweetness!

I thought it was ok except for my Irish history I did really bad in that Q and what the hell is a peel thingy? It came up in one of the short question and I'd never even heard of it! I was so happy Operation Barbarosa came up and The Cuban Missile Crisis they were the only two Q I really knew

*MmmPie*

Sweetness! wrote:

I thought it was ok except for my Irish history I did really bad in that Q and what the hell is a peel thingy? It came up in one of the short question and I'd never even heard of it! I was so happy Operation Barbarosa came up and The Cuban Missile Crisis they were the only two Q I really knew

Peel's Brimstone, it was a sort of corn-like food sold cheaply by England to Ireland during the Famine.

Alqua

The questions on Social History in the document question were fairly easy I thought, and I was able to avoid doing anything else on social history, so that went grand. I did something annoying that I always do, but I'm not sure how it'd affect the exam marks-wise: In the "People in History" section, I always do one short crappy one, and one really long one.
I did a page on the Knight and 4 feckin' pages on Wolfetone and the rebellion!

Peel's Brimstone, it was a sort of corn-like food sold cheaply by England to Ireland during the Famine.

Interesting! I was wondering what that was.

Hugh Hefner

I was crapping myself before history,not because I was nervous, I just knew I was going to do badly. I said, "Alright better do my best anyway. I'll start with the essay questions." So I looked at question 4 and I had no freakin' idea about any of them! I was feeling really worried and then I just picked the ones I thought I might be able to do the best. When I finished question 4 I realised I had given really good answers (in my opinion). So then I went on to the other questions and I was able to, with a bit of BS, make my way through all the questions. Then I only had the last part of question 6 A to do with about 15 mins. left and I hadn't done any short questions. I knew I'd get more points for them so I did them but finished with no time to finish of 6 A. It's okay thought cos' I think I might still get an A (which I did not think was going to happen).

So I'm very happy about History and it was a pick-me-up after a disspointing French exam.

PurpleFistMixer

Woah, 4 pages?!
I did 1 page on both... just under a page for my Monk one, actually. (which is strange, because I know more about monks than I do washington, and yet the washington one was longer)

Big Ears

There I was finnished having done 1 or 2 extra Q's and I look at the document thing and think.....I havent answered any Questions for this yet :eek: , I quickly went about finding the answers and writing them down like a mad man , luckly the supervisor said at 4:30 everyone who is finnished may go , and there was me on my own writing for 4 minutes with no one else around (in my section) .

Sound supervisor , thank god I didn't have someone strict .

Exam went well though , and when I saw Cuban Missile crisis a massive smile came across my face .

Fairy

Yeah, I was happy with it 2, especially since I didn't do that much study 4 it!! What did you think of french? Did you do the personal or formal letter?

Big Ears

Fairy wrote:

Yeah, I was happy with it 2, especially since I didn't do that much study 4 it!! What did you think of french? Did you do the personal or formal letter?

Theres a thread for French but I did personnel .

Fobia

Mine was a page and a half for ancient irish dude, and a page and a half for Washington. Don't let that be a consolation to you though, PurpleFistMixer - I suck at history!

Fenny

I did what has never happened to me before ... I ran out of time. I was feeling really happy about my Medieval knight question (it was about a page and a half) and then I wrote a really long, rambling account of the French Revolution; almost four pages, and complete crap.
I couldn't do the last bit of my Q 6 second section, so I've lost 20 marks by default. I was annoying. I don't think it was that bad, but my hand was hurting badly by the end of it, so my handwriting was terrible.

PurpleFistMixer

I once wrote 2 and a half pages on the Irish War of Independence and I felt accomplished.
The 'people in history' is only meant to be about a page, though? 20 marks = 1 page, I thought...

Fenny

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

I once wrote 2 and a half pages on the Irish War of Independence and I felt accomplished.
The 'people in history' is only meant to be about a page, though? 20 marks = 1 page, I thought...

Yeah, generally it's around a page, but I got really carried away and started writing about the entire Revolution, not just Robespierre. They'll deduct marks for the waffling, I'm predicting.

modular

I had no idea what a glimmer man was. That really put me off at the beginning of the exam, I must say.

Irishstabber

Haha I felt great...we all went in and before they(superintendants) could tell us to shut up all my class was asking me what a glimmer man was.

jennyq

I went into the exam a bag of nerves, as it's impossible for me not to be nervous about history despite it being my best subject. I always thinks I'm going to do badly. The first 10 section 3 questions were almost the exact same as on my pre, which was cool. There were a couple of them that totally baffled me, the peel's brimstone one was one. Condor's legion, anybody?

I was a bit disappointed that none of the year 2 special studies came up for the first people in history question, as I had really good answers done for those...I did the early Irish monk, which was my reserve answer. I started Wolfe Tone for the second one, but crossed it out & did George Washington instead, as I didn't feel confident with my Wolfe Tone answer. I'm still not sure how I did on it though. I think I rambled a bit in the last part of q5 too.

I was happy with the long qs, I could have scraped by doing any of them really. I ended up doing the two Ireland in the 20th Century ones, as social change is pretty easy & Irish politics is my favourite section in the whole course. I the economic war. Was hoping for 1916 or the Treaty though.

I don't think I did as well as I did in my pre, but hopefully I got the A I wanted. I'd love to keep it on for the leaving if it didn't seem like so much hard work...

spiderlegs

History is hard work,but so is every subject for the leavin (or so I'm told ) Peels Brimston was soe kinda food people ate in the famine...... I think.The way your talkin about historyI ll say youl get an A.I love the economic war too!Cuban missile crisis as a question on the superowers-now that made me smile.....