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10-06-2005 4:25am#1Have a look at this
Ive seen alot of crashes on TV, on Vid, and on the net etc.....but this is the first time ive seen this!
Who is the driver and was there anyone killed at this race meeting?
I hope nobody was killed but doesnt look to promising from the clip!
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Unfortunately, it won't load for me but if it's the video I think it is (and it sounds like it is from Kali and BrianD3's description) then, yes, it's Allan McNish's F3000 crash at Donington Park in 1990 where, sadly, a spectactor was killed. Even though it won't load for me on that site, I have seen the video of it on the telly in the past. Even though it's very rare to see repeat showings of crashes where somebody is killed or severly injured (Senna's crash is a good example. I've only seen that repeated about three times on television in the past 11 years since that dreadful weekend), I have seen that clip a few times in the past on TV.
Read an interview with McNish somewhere last year where he told how he attended the funeral of the spectator killed and his family came up to him and told him that they didn't hold him responsible in any way for what happened and not to blame himself but, despite this, he explained how it was a crash which not only took him a long time to get over but which still haunts him to this day. 0 -
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gs39t wrote:Where are the moderators? :rolleyes:
Post a link to that Zanardi pic is one thing, just flat out posting it is another :mad:
Sorry lads and moderators..........have edited!
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Curran wrote:Stomoch churning.....hell yeah.....and Greg Moores crash in the Indy series a few years back! Not nice!
If ya dare to look
Think I'll pass, Curran. I watched it live on Eurosport and it's something I'd prefer not to see again, to be honest.
I remember watching the CART doctor being interviewed not long afterwards and making the announcement that Moore had died and just seeing the reaction of the crowd and the members of the various teams was terrible. They then said a prayer, the American flags around the track were lowered to half-mast and the decision was made to let the other drivers race on and not be told what had happened until after the race. When they came into the pits after the race and were informed of Greg's death, the shock on their faces was terrible to see. You could see the tears welling up in the eyes of some of the drivers, especially Adrian Fernandez who won that race, if I recall correctly, and Dario Franchitti, who was one of Greg's best friends. Such a sad and terrible event to witness. To see it live, well, that made it all the worse.
Will never forget watching Ayrton Senna's crash live as well and the immediate aftermath either. I can still remember Murray Walker's sombre voice as he described the scene and still tried to remain hopefull that Senna would pull through. Not long after he had been airlifted to hospital, the unconfirmed, conflicting reports started to come through on 'Grandstand'; that he was alive but in a coma, that he was brain dead, etc.; but nobody fully believed them, including myself, because, first of all, this was the Italian media the reports were coming from and they were notorious for being unreliable and sensationalistic at times and, secondly, because nobody truly wanted to admit to themselves that this driver who seemed invincible could be dead. But then a couple of hours later, Steve Ryder, who was presenting the coverage from Imola that day, came on to report that Senna had officially been declared dead. I will never, ever forget that moment. 0 -
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If its NASCAR related chances are i'll know it
As i said in the PM, dont worry about it
Curran wrote:Fair play for knowing the exact details..........how he managed to get out without a scratch i dont know!
PS - sorry for the post earlier!0 -
BrianD3 wrote:But there have been some miraculous survivals too eg Zanardi.....
I remember his crash at Spa in '93 in the Lotus. Horrific. He came through Eau Rouge, the car got away from him, he slammed into the Armco barrier which was right up alongside the track at that time (there was no run-off there at that time. Needless to say, it was changed for next year after Alex's crash), there was a brief flash of flame and all four corners of the car were torn off and the car, or what was left of it, just went spinning around and around and around at high speed on it's floor like a spinning top, spun across to the other side of the track and went into the barriers there. How the guy survived, I will never know. Then to add insult to injury, the other cars which were coming through were being waved by the marshalls to slow down as they threaded through the wreckage of Zanardi's car only for Senna to approach at nearly full speed, see what had happened, tried to slow down in time, spun and crashed into the barrier right beside Zanardi's parked wreck. Lucky he didn't end up going into Zanardi's car as well or hitting the marshalls. 0 -
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Just looked at that NASCAR clip. Ouch! :eek: Looks like the car just skated right across the gravel trap without scrubbing off any speed whatsoever either. That "THUMP!" it made when it hit the barrier sounded horrible.
Where was that, by the way? Looks like Watkins Glen (think I saw a bit of a sky-blue coloured Armco barrier there which tends to give it away as some of the barriers at the Glen are painted blue).
*edit - just noticed gs39t's post. Sad when I can tell what track it is by the colour of the barriers, eh? * 0 -
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andyman wrote:Getting back to Moores crash I knew from the moment he had crashed that he had died.
Its amazing that drivers still decide to race despite the fears of broken bones, early retirement or even death, especially those in the IRL.
Your views.
Yeah sometimes you just know!
Whatever about broken bones, etc....dont know how they go back after a major shunt when they have childern.....id be like....no way.....not riskin that again...........eg Schumacher in Silverstone! ....maybe not quite as major to changes someones mind....but you get what im getting at???? 0 -
andyman wrote:Getting back to Moores crash I knew from the moment he had crashed that he had died.
Its amazing that drivers still decide to race despite the fears of broken bones, early retirement or even death, especially those in the IRL.
Your views.
I remember watching that live on Eurosport. I too, knew that was unsurvivable. I remember the wierdest thing was the commentators didnt even see the crash as it was happening; and they were calmy taking about something else as that horrific crash was happening.
Then, 2 weeks later - Gonzalo Rodriguez (sp?) went head on into the wall at the corkscrew at Laguna Seca and was killed. Two fatalities in 2 weeks. A terrible few weeks for the series. I was a huge fan of Moore's at the time, too 0 -
I'm the same, the memories of that day are burned into my memory and will never leave me as long as I live. I remember watching the race after the restart and anxiously waiting for news of Senna's condition to come through. When the news did come, it was that he had "grave" head injuries. I knew then that he was gone. Later on that evening after the race finished it was announced that he was clinically dead.aidan_dunne wrote:Will never forget watching Ayrton Senna's crash live as well and the immediate aftermath either. I can still remember Murray Walker's sombre voice as he described the scene and still tried to remain hopefull that Senna would pull through. Not long after he had been airlifted to hospital, the unconfirmed, conflicting reports started to come through on 'Grandstand'; that he was alive but in a coma, that he was brain dead, etc.; but nobody fully believed them, including myself, because, first of all, this was the Italian media the reports were coming from and they were notorious for being unreliable and sensationalistic at times and, secondly, because nobody truly wanted to admit to themselves that this driver who seemed invincible could be dead. But then a couple of hours later, Steve Ryder, who was presenting the coverage from Imola that day, came on to report that Senna had officially been declared dead. I will never, ever forget that moment.
One other thing I remember - the next day in school, there were a lot of pr1cks making a laugh out of the whole thing and taunting anyone known to be a motor racing fan. Appalling :mad:0 -
gs39t wrote:Then, 2 weeks later - Gonzalo Rodriguez (sp?) went head on into the wall at the corkscrew at Laguna Seca and was killed. Two fatalities in 2 weeks. A terrible few weeks for the series. I was a huge fan of Moore's at the time, too
gs39t........dont mean to upset you....but i thougth of that crash earlier and i found the clip.......and im posting it for people to see it so the know what we are talking about
If ya want me to take anything down......just say....ill delete!
PS....didnt go head on into the wall......nose dug into sand trap and flipped the wall landing top down....giving him no chance!
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Yeah, I remember Rodriguez's crash as well. It was a bit of a weird one, actually. The car went head-on into the barrier at the top of the Corkscrew, flipped over the barrier and landed upside-down by the trees. It wasn't travelling at a massive speed, though, if I recall. Perhaps it was the way the car landed upside down or something is what killed him.
*edit - just seen that Curran has posted a link to the video of the crash. I wasn't too far wrong in my description of what happened then, eh?
Though, looking at that clip, it seems he was travelling a lot faster than I remember.*
Strangely enough, Senna's crash wasn't huge, relatively speaking. Yes, it was a big crash but I had seen much worse before that. Looking at it, the car hit the wall hard, came back across the gravel trap and onto the track but the car was actually doing it's job as it did so, i.e. the various parts were breaking off in order to dissipate the energy of the crash away from the driver. What actually killed Senna was a piece of carbon-fibre from a front suspension pushrod puncturing through his helmet and going into his head. If it hadn't been for that one-in-a-million occurence, Senna would have probably lived, though certainly battered and bruised and possibly with some broken bones. I think that's why, at the time, myself and most other people (Murray Walker included, from his commentary) watching were almost expecting Senna to step out of the car, and certainly to live, because while it was a big crash, it cetainly wasn't as bad as some others we had seen before where drivers had survived and even walked away from.
Though, given everything that had happened already that weekend, we should have known, I guess. 0 -
aidan_dunne wrote:Yeah, I remember Rodriguez's crash as well. It was a bit of a weird one, actually. The car went head-on into the barrier at the top of the Corkscrew, flipped over the barrier and landed upside-down by the trees. It wasn't travelling at a massive speed, though, if I recall. Perhaps it was the way the car landed upside down or something is what killed him.
Check out the vid..........did it hit the barrie.........looks like the sand trap was too high........so when the car left the track.....the nose got stuck in the sand straight away and summersaulted the barrier!0 -
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aidan_dunne wrote:Yeah, I think you're right, Curran. Having looked at it a couple of times now, it does seem the car flipped as soon as it hit the gravel and launched it into the air clean over the barriers.
Freak accident or what!!
Just to think the the sand was an inch to high!
Wuda been perfect depth for Moto GP or anything will a ride height a tiny bit higher than a Champcar 0 -
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Yep, Curran, seems it was just bad luck that that piece of suspension pushrod pierced Senna's helmet. A one-in-a-million chance, as I said. If it hadn't been for that, he would have probably lived, though certainly injured in some way.
A couple of years ago I read an account from Professor Sid Watkins (the FIA doctor, who was also a good friend of Senna's) on the accident. Incidently, he had advised Senna not to race that day, due to his mental state after the death of Roland Ratzenberger the previous day. Senna was in tears and very upset after his death, it hit him really hard and Prof. Watkins said it seemed as if Senna suddenly realised his own mortality as a result. Nevertheless, he went on to race, we all know what happened, and Watkins said he'll never forget arriving on the scene to see Senna's helmet filled with blood. That's when he knew it was bad! 0 -
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aidan_dunne wrote:Watkins said he'll never forget arriving on the scene to see Senna's helmet filled with blood. That's when he knew it was bad!
Dont think anyone could forget that............think the blood was an obvious sign....not a bad one
Seen the Roland Ratzenberger crash the other day..........only a short clip....but when the car came to rest at the hairpin and you could see his head flop to the side...........you just had to know!
A weekend in motorsport that hopefully nothing of the like will ever happen again!0 -
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