GTA: SA [pc] to use SF3???

kaimera

Howdy,

only saw over the weekend that SA_pc is on dvd. Now after the disaster that was SplinterCell3 and SF3 I was wondering does anybody know if Rockstar are going the SF3 route with SA?

a few 'quick' searches seem to reveal rumours that it might use SF3 but I'm not seeing anything concreete yet.

**** them if they are. Of all the pc games out, SA was 'the' game I wanted.
I do not fancy going thru the extreme workaround for SF3 just for 1 damn game.

Basq

San Andreas won't be released in the US for the PC til Monday / Tuesday (varying store dates) and has not been leaked, as far as i know!

I don't think 'San Andreas' will be using SF3... there's no evidence to suggest otherwise but apparently it was revealed that they lost quite a bit of popularity / sales due to it being on Splinter Cell 3.

EDIT: Actually, i could be wrong about the fact it's not leaked yet!

kaimera

I know it's not released yet or leaked.

I'm hoping it wont carry SF3 cos I just wont buy it.

Basq

kaimera wrote:

I know it's not released yet or leaked.

See Edit above! Could be BS though!

kaimera wrote:

I'm hoping it wont cos I just wont buy it IF it carries SF3....

I agree with you there mate... won't be buying it with SF3 protection either. Every PC game i own i've made a backup of it and keep it safe... those discs are very feckin' frail!

Especially with a 3 year old nephew who likes to play with the shiny discs!

KdjaCL

There an odd topic if it uses Sf3 its uses Sf3 still the best game ever, think they entitled to protect their investment from people who want to download it or copy it.

Some games are worth buying this is one of them.

kdjac

kaimera

it's that SF3 games wont play properly in my machine kdjaC. I dont care or backing up my disks cos I'm careful enough with the originals.

it's too much grief trying to get SF3 games working for me atm

KdjaCL

kaimera wrote:

it's that SF3 games wont play properly in my machine kdjaC. I dont care or backing up my disks cos I'm careful enough with the originals.

it's too much grief trying to get SF3 games working for me atm

According to the NFo its not in it.

kdjac

Basq

KdjaC wrote:

According to the NFo its not in it.

kdjac

As far as i can see, the game hasn't been leaked so you're more than likely looking at the NFO for the map-pack (booklet, CD, front cover, back cover)

TerrorFirmer

Eh...what the hell is sf3? Like Steam?

Or what?

I just havent actually bought a PC game in so long....

Ciaran500

Its not unusual for games to have different copy protections when they release over here. Any .nfo file released would be from an American version so it may not apply over here.

EDIT: SF3 = Starforce, a very troublesome but hard to crack copy protection

Spear

MobileInfantry wrote:

Eh...what the hell is sf3? Like Steam?

Or what?

I just havent actually bought a PC game in so long....

From the context I have the horrible feeling they mean the horrific and disastrous Star Force protection system. It's the only copy protection to protect games from legitimate users. It installs it's own drivers in Windows, and since these run at system level, vulnerabilities in them have meant major problems. Assuming they don't just bluescreen your machine or break your cd-rom drives. And since they're 32bit drivers, anyone on WinXP 64 bit can never play them. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Basq

Spear wrote:

It installs it's own drivers in Windows, and since these run at system level, vulnerabilities in them have meant major problems. Assuming they don't just bluescreen your machine or break your cd-rom drives. And since they're 32bit drivers, anyone on WinXP 64 bit can never play them. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Yeah.. it can seriously feck up your system.

But like i said.. they lost a lot of respect (and not to mention) sales with the complaints about Star Force.

KdjaCL

basquille wrote:

As far as i can see, the game hasn't been leaked so you're more than likely looking at the NFO for the map-pack (booklet, CD, front cover, back cover)

Look some more

kdjac

the_syco

Was Trackmania 1 SF2 or SF3, does anyone know? I know it used SF, but was totally cracked, and that Trackmania 2 is SF3, and SF3 would also have been cracked if it were "out on Doom3" by the serious crackers.

What I'm saying is, is that if SA has SF3 on it, ALOT of people will DL it, rather than risk getting their machine fúcked over by SF3.

Ciaran500

But any of the cracked SF games still rely on the SF drivers to be installed. But they just trick into thinking there is a real disk in the drive.

kaimera

aye, SC: CT being the notable one atm. available for dl but still carries SF3.

I dont think it can be removed, only emulated and thats the problem.

it's fine if you want to disable all yer ide/s_ata drives physically before playing.

Azza

My personal view on this matter.

I will boycott this game if it uses SF3. I have seen first hands the problem this copyright protection system can cause a pc and have read online a long list of problems people have had with SF3. Even if it fuctioned correctly the fact that your not informed abouts its installation and the fact that won't uninstall along with the software that installed is in my view wrong (and many would agree with me). The fact that my legitimately owned copy of Silent Hunter III has not had the latest patched version cracked annoys me greatly I have no cd-cracks for nearly all my games. I'm planning on a reformat shortly but this has given me added incentive to hurry up and do it. Neither Silent Hunter III (which I think is a good sim) or Brothers in Arms (to which I'm indifferent about) are going to be reinstalled unless a method is found which will allow the installation of the game without the Starforce drivers also being installed at the same time.

I enjoyed GTA Vice City and needless to say I'm hoping that GTA SA will not use SF3.

Basq

Apparently, GTA: SA on the PC uses..

.. Securerom 7.

HOORAY!

kaimera

w00t.

I only wanted to check it didn't use SF3. Now to get a US version brought over for me!...[literally]

RE*AC*TOR

KdjaC wrote:

Look some more

kdjac

Ahhh... ok. No it ain't been cracked yet.

For those who want to know when it is - some kind soul created this wee page:

http://represent.webstylez.net/gtacheck.php

tman

just after getting my order posted email from play \o/

it seems fate is a cruel mistress though. i'll end up playing the ps2 version on friday, despite avoiding it since launch

Mixie

tman wrote:

just after getting my order posted email from play \o/

it seems fate is a cruel mistress though. i'll end up playing the ps2 version on friday, despite avoiding it since launch

Snap. I bought a PS2 when SA was released but not played more than an hour of it yet.

Loobz

Mixie wrote:

Snap. I bought a PS2 when SA was released but not played more than an hour of it yet.

Ditto. Whats the PC release date?

Basq

Loobz wrote:

Ditto. Whats the PC release date?

Friday, i think!

Praetorian

If it has starforce 3 spyware integrated I won't be buying it. Way to lose a sale tbh

Basq

Praetorian wrote:

If it has starforce 3 spyware integrated I won't be buying it. Way to lose a sale tbh

Word from the other side of the pond confirms it uses SecureRom7! (thank f*ck! )

Ciaran500

Starforce could hardly be described as Spyware.

Loobz

basquille wrote:

Friday, i think!

Tasty! I forgot that it was so close to PC release. Thank God, now I can see what my PS2 buddies have been goin on about, and more, much more.

jaggeh

id classify it as Malware, ive never had anything but problems with any SF game. i hope they re-release X2 without SF

Smellyirishman

Just buy the game if you want it.

Most people that say "OMG it has teh StarF**K, now I won't buy this game" were more than likely going to DL the game.

There are *some* honest problems with starforce but a lot of it just comes down to monkeys whining.

You want to play the game, buy it, put the cd in and play it.

ATM I have 1 starforce game, TrackMaina: Sunrise. I just leave the disc in the drive and when I want to play, it starts up. Most other games are MMOs or Half-life so they are automatically No-CDs.

PiE

According to nforce it's been released.

Though it's a Clone so it won't probably won't work.

Basq

PiE wrote:

According to nforce it's been released.

Though it's a Clone so it won't probably won't work.

Yeah.. the game's been released but no crack for it has!

Will buy it on Friday.. it'll practically cost as much on my BB bill to download the 4GB ISO anyways!

Praetorian

For your info only. It seems to be about 2.64 gigs.

Makaveli

tman wrote:

just after getting my order posted email from play \o/

Mine was posted too. Woot!
Have managed to pretty much avoid everything about this game, so it wont be spoiled. Although I did read that bigfoot hunt thread.

Basq

Praetorian wrote:

For your info only. It seems to be about 2.64 gigs.

Possibly.. but that particularly NFO says 84 * 50MB (4.2GB... if my Maths skills haven't failed me! )

the_syco

Friday? Hmmm... BF2, or GTA:SA. The choices! Erm, uh, dunno. Really dunno.

As for Starforce 3, if the DVD (which NFOrce talks of) is a proper clone, it'll work.

I'l get my boots (€115), and BF2(€40ish), GTA:SA can wait a while, as I'll be donating money(€100) to feed my habit:cool:

Praetorian

Makaveli wrote:

Mine was posted too. Woot!
Have managed to pretty much avoid everything about this game, so it wont be spoiled. Although I did read that bigfoot hunt thread.

I had managed to avoid all spoilers, but I guess thats not true anymore

Makaveli

Well I only read a page or two of it so I dunno if it even is a spoiler.
Also fair play if you never saw that thread, it was on the frontpage of the forum for ages. Curiosity got the better of me though.

Chalk

Praetorian wrote:

For your info only. It seems to be about 2.64 gigs.

seems to be more along the lines 4 gigs give or take 100 megs...

Basq

Chalk wrote:

seems to be more along the lines 4 gigs give or take 100 megs...

.. Or 200MB's to be more precise!

Smellyirishman

It is 4.1Gigs
DvD is not starforce. (actually, don't quote me on this one, just read some starforce trace post and it lead to C:/blah/blah/GTAfolder/GTASA.exe). I am pretty sure it is S7 though

Basq

Smellyirishman wrote:

It is 4.1Gigs
DvD is not starforce. (actually, don't quote me on this one, just read some starforce trace post and it lead to C:/blah/blah/GTAfolder/GTASA.exe). I am pretty sure it is S7 though

84 X 50MB on the NFO i'm looking at... do the Maths!

Am pretty much positive it does use SecureRom7, as mentioned previously!

Thank God.... feckin' hate StarForce! :mad:

Chalk

well the one ive seen is 4.047gigs.....

Basq

OK... not gonna quibble over this! Seems pretty stupid to!

But the NFO i'm referencing is the one posted a page back - the link to NForce.

EDIT: This one!

Smellyirishman

basquille wrote:

84 X 50MB on the NFO i'm looking at... do the Maths!

Am pretty much positive it does use SecureRom7, as mentioned previously!

Thank God.... feckin' hate StarForce! :mad:

K, here you go.

One Gig is actually 1024mb.
Now, 84x50MB = 4200mb
Therefor the Gigs value = 4200/1024
Hence, the size of this package = 4.101 gigs. AKA 4.1gigs.

Don't believe me? Do the maths

Really don't believe me, check here http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/byte.html

TomCo

YEAH!

Also ive drank too mucj.....aagaiun,

Chalk

proper one out now.

officially securom7