The Theory Thread Chat

Fusion251

Well if anyone has any questions just post them up and I'll answer them?

I think that'd work a bit better.

Cheers
Fusion

:cool:

Nidge

Do what yas loike, but i think one would be better off getting a book like "Harmony for Guitar" rather than looking at a load of tidbits on the internet with no particular order. The thread would be all over the place and very random, with some very advanced stuff and some very simple stuff, books tend to be alot more clear. Just my opinion, carry on.

feylya

What I'm trying to get is peoples views on theory that I can rearrange into a single post/thread so that people won't have to spend money on a book.

Also, people can ask for clarification on certain issues, something they can't do with a book.

Doctor J

They can ask, but the book might not talk back

Ancient1

Or alternatively, you can split this thread in two.

You can have the Theory Resource sticky which you can lock and then ad bits to it as people post/ask etc.

You could open up a second sticky, where people can discuss theory, and call it "Ask Fusion251" or something like that (if he really is that knowledgeable ) - that might be better because when you get a resource sticky, and a discussion flares up, not everyone might want to trawl through 16 pages just to get back to the relevant information.

So, if it's disussed in the (temporarily titled - for "illustration" purposes ) Ask Fusion251 thread and then deemed worthy of the Theory sticky, you open it up and ad the info.

Making sense? It's 1034 on Saturday morning.....after all

Giblet

Theory is for people who waste time not playing. :cool:

Paligulus

Look at the last few posts in the "Complete Guitarist" thread in bands/musicians. I'm afraid Fusion251 can afford to be that cocky!!!!

Ancient1

Well, the man obviously knows his stuff.

Compared to him, i am utterly illiterate.

Citizen_Erased

You could also post good sites

Paligulus

Ancient1 wrote:

Well, the man obviously knows his stuff.

Compared to him, i am utterly illiterate.

Yeah, it was a kick in d b*lls for me too!!! I agree with splitting it into too threads where one of them is locked so people won't have to read irelevant(sp?) posts like this one!!!!

Nidge

i too agree with ancient's idea too, it would solve the problem i foresee to a certain extent.

Citizen_Erased

What is the symbol for writing a double flat or is there such a thing?

Fusion251

modular wrote:

Double flat is just two flats next to one another.
Double sharp is a sort of X.

I like your sig! Countdown, very nice ha ha

ogy

i think feylyas circle of fifths is definitely the best way to learn keys. Also using it combined with a little mnemonic to remember the order of the sharps, like Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle (backwards for flats!) makes it really easy to recognise any key, or work out what the key sig is for any key.

Next step on from that is working out the chords in a key i think so:

1. Pick a Key, any key e.g. E

Work out the key signature as per the circle of fifths

key sig of E = F# C# G# D#

2. Write out each letter musicalphabetically (don't think this is a real term:)) from E back to E again and add in any sharps as per key sig above

E F# G# A B C# D# E

3. Add a third and a fifth above each note (to do it quickly in your head just start at the note itself, skip one, use one, skip one, use one if you know what i mean, like E (f) G (a)
Again add in all the sharps as per key sig above so you get:

5th    B   C#  D#  E   F#  G#  A   

3rd    G#  A   B   C#  D#  E   F#  

1st    E   F#  G#  A   B   C#  D#  

Chord: E   F#m G#m A   B   C#m D#dim

4. This gives you the notes of each chord belonging to the key (stacked vertically)
In a major key the sequence is always Major, Minor, Minor, Major, Major, Minor, Diminished. You can just learn this off or to work it out yourself like this:

Write down every note there is (all 12 of them!)

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# (loop back to A...)

Take the notes of the chord, e.g. F#m = F# A C#

Count the amount of steps between F# and A (3) and between A and C# (4)
If there is 3 steps between 1st and 3rd, and 4 steps between 3rd and 5th, you have a minor chord

If there is 4 steps between 1st and 3rd, and 3 steps between 3rd and 5th, you have a major chord

If there is 3 steps between 1st and 3rd, and 3 steps between 3rd and 5th, you have a diminished chord

If there is 4 steps between 1st and 3rd, and 4 steps between 3rd and 5th, you have an augmented chord


Using this system you should be able to work out the basic chords available in any key. When you have this sussed experiment by adding in 7ths and even 9ths/11ths/13ths. Just stick to the key signature and youll get the right notes

Minor keys work in the same way but there are complications due to accidentals which someone else might want to take on or I will another night if im bored but gotta sleep now:)

Citizen_Erased

modular wrote:

Double flat is just two flats next to one another.

Cheers for that.

jcoote

great idea guys can't believe nobody(me included) didn't think of it sooner

anyway i agree with the ask fusion thread and maybe a techniques thread also thats not really theory but requires some knowledge to preform (eg having to know about natural harmonics to do pinch harmonics etc)

anyway could someone post up ome basic lead theory such as improvisation over key changes and scales and stuff...i don't know it well enough to post it and it would be nice to see it in plain english for a change...cheers in advance

Fusion251

jcoote wrote:

great idea guys can't believe nobody(me included) didn't think of it sooner

anyway i agree with the ask fusion thread and maybe a techniques thread also thats not really theory but requires some knowledge to preform (eg having to know about natural harmonics to do pinch harmonics etc)

anyway could someone post up ome basic lead theory such as improvisation over key changes and scales and stuff...i don't know it well enough to post it and it would be nice to see it in plain english for a change...cheers in advance

I can post general stuff but if you have a tune you want to play over in particular maybe just post the name of the tune and the chords and we can post different approaches to soloing on it?

Fusion

jcoote

yeah ok i'll suss it out...i have it pretty much sorted in my head what i'm doin but i think that little bit of theory would be essential to most guitarists..i'll come up with a simple tune record it and post the notes/chords i'm using and u can help me with a solo on it ok fusion???

Fusion251

jcoote wrote:

yeah ok i'll suss it out...i have it pretty much sorted in my head what i'm doin but i think that little bit of theory would be essential to most guitarists..i'll come up with a simple tune record it and post the notes/chords i'm using and u can help me with a solo on it ok fusion???

Sure

It wasn't me!

I have two solos to improv for a guitar exam on saturday. The two are in A minor and G minor. The A minor piece is a blues piece and the G minor one is a rock one, kindo of AC/DC style. Anyone got any good licks I might be able to incorporate?

jcoote

i might do i'll try and tab em

It wasn't me!

Thanks man.

Fusion251

I don't like tabbing riffs, prefere to just tell ya how to make up yer own tbh..

Guess everyone else know's their stuff inside out!

Bravo!

Fusion
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Fusion251

Sauron wrote:

I have a question... can anyone tell me how to play C# minor (second inversion)
on the guitar... some sort of diagram or something... I was working on a little piece on a piano and wanted transcribe it to guitar as an experiment.... etc.. or even just that chord.... how do you (or can you) invert chords on a guitar?

I'm not a guitarist really but I'm just curious.. because I don't really know how chords work on the guitar e.g. bar chords... as opposed to the basic triad on a piano... Are they the same? anyone care to enlighten me?

A chord inversion is just playing a chord with a different intervalic structure so therefore if you were playing C#minor - C# G# E then 2nd inversion would be from the 5th so it would be G# C# E.

Fusion
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Sauron

thanks guys.. much obliged...

j1892

I don't play much guitar, but when I do I usually just mess about with modes, found a good way (for ear training anyway,) of practising the major modes is in this order (as each time you change scale one note drops by a semi tone.) ;
(below each scale is its intervalic structure)
[in C];
Lydian C D E F# G A B
1 2 3 #4 5 6 7

Ionian (major) C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Mixolydian C D E F G A Bb
1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

Dorian C D Eb F G A Bb
1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7

Aeolian C D Eb F G Ab Bb
1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Phrygian C Db Eb F G Ab Bb
1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Locrian C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb
1 b2 b3 4 b5 f6 f7
Dunno if this helps ne1, jus thought I'd try & show that not all drummers are idiots. This order should be practised in every key, C's the easiest. Also try and find a way to do this with the melodic and harmonic minor scales, and for soloing, get a lead sheet from a song and just practise the relevant scale per chord for what ever amount of bars; (then improvising will be easier)
[D- ][G7 ][Cmaj7 ][Cmaj7 ]
[D Dorian up ][G mixolydian down][C Ionian up ][C Ionian down ]

disgruntled

Citizen_Erased wrote:

You could also post good sites

This is an excellent site for theory and the like I breathe music

Citizen_Erased

typing just guitar theory into google , the first two sites have alot. and lots of other very goods ones